COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

brisan

hmmm wrote: »

BTW just as an aside, we call the CMO in Ireland "Tony" not "Anthony". I know it's probably his official name when you're researching, but that's not what he's known as. Feed that back to who-ever is writing the script and trying to discredit Western experts and vaccines.

As an aside his name is William Gerard Anthony Holohan
Anybody researching his name would call him William

stephenjmcd

brisan wrote: »

And yet someone else pointed out they cant use test centres because people have to be monitored afterwards
I understand it poses problems but its not as though this came out of the blue
What if the EU had passed the vaccine the same time as Britain ?
WE have no plan

How could they approve a vaccine in the same time ?

It wasn't submitted to EMA until Monday just gone.

The plan is due next week, I'm sure you can hang on a few days and let them actually finalise it. No point in releasing a plan early and then having to change it, such as the UK plan might have to be adjusted already.

MrMusician18

afatbollix wrote: »

EMA used to be based in London, London has all the experts already.

How many people of the EMA wanted to stay in London instead of Amsterdam when it moved last year?

The UK has also been doing a rolling review of the data. They didn't get the data all on day 1 like the EMA.

But they will be seen as wrong in the EU or Irish eyes no matter what they do.

I expect the Vaccine to be approved by the EMA it will just take longer, We should be asking the experts why it is taking longer?

This is incorrect. The UK had access to rolling review data on 30 October. The EMA has had access to preliminary pfizer data from 1st Oct.

The EMA has stated, in a statement critical of the UKs approach, that the UKs approach was less thorough and analysed less data. The former head of the EMA said the UK was taking a small risk with it's approach.

Given the way it's being spun by the Tories, it looks like MHRA were told to make their decision ahead of the EMA. Hancock claimed it was Brexit that permitted the approach (it didn't), which want true, this points to politicization of the approval.

Sky King

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Hancock claimed it was Brexit that permitted the approach (it didn't), which want true, this points to politicization of the approval.

There was some other A hole from the UK govt on LBC radio claiming they were first because "Britain is smarter and better than the other countries". :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1334430489957031938

Sky King

Sky King wrote: »

There was some other A hole from the UK govt on LBC radio claiming they were first because "Britain is smarter and better than the other countries". :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1334430489957031938

What about the German scientists who actually developed the vaccine? There is something broken in the British psyche as evidenced by this type of attitude. What will the Brexiteers say when they find out the CEO and founder of BioNTech was a Turkish immigrant?

polesheep

Deleted User wrote: »

What about the German scientists who actually developed the vaccine? There is something broken in the British psyche as evidenced by this type of attitude. What will the Brexiteers say when they find out the CEO and founder of BioNTech was a Turkish immigrant?

Should he be given the benefit of the doubt? I'm not sure he was serious. They were both laughing as he said it.

is_that_so

Varadkar has said that NIAC(National Immunisation Advisory Committee) will decide who gets the vaccine and in what order.


https://www.rcpi.ie/policy-and-advocacy/national-immunisation-advisory-committee/

polesheep

polesheep wrote: »

Should he be given the benefit of the doubt? I'm not sure he was serious. They were both laughing as he said it.

I think Ferrari may have been laughing at the fact that he got him to say it. And Williamson was blustering and even if he truly doesn't believe what he said, he said it because it goes down well with their target demographic

is_that_so

For fans of the immunity passports, the WHO are not in favour, but are looking at e-certificates.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1203/1182107-covid-world-health-organization/

ixoy

So an article on the Journal has a few more details url]https://www.thejournal.ie/vaccine-hse-5287862-Dec2020/[/url. Some choice quotes:

“Based on these dates, and all going well according to that plan, it is realistic to expect that Ireland will commence its vaccination programme in the early days of January 2021 and that certainly is the plan that we’re working towards,” Reid said.

The European Commission has agreed advance purchase arrangements with six vaccine developers and Ireland will have the capacity to acquire almost 16 million vaccine doses.

“The key requirement in our preparation for the vaccination program has been the procurement, we just took delivery this week of nine ultra low temperature freezers on 1 December.”

He said each of those nine freezers can store about 200,000 doses of vaccine and there is already a cold storage facility at Citywest that was procured a number of years ago.

funnydoggy

ixoy wrote: »

So an article on the Journal has a few more details URL]https://www.thejournal.ie/vaccine-hse-5287862-Dec2020/[/URL. Some choice quotes:

“The key requirement in our preparation for the vaccination program has been the procurement, we just took delivery this week of nine ultra low temperature freezers on 1 December.”

He said each of those nine freezers can store about 200,000 doses of vaccine and there is already a cold storage facility at Citywest that was procured a number of years ago.

Incoming "Operation Lockstep / Event 201 / Great Reset posts :pac:

Stark

I just wish they hadn't revealed the location. I can see some far-right nutjob trying to attack/vandalise it.

polesheep

Deleted User wrote: »

I think Ferrari may have been laughing at the fact that he got him to say it. And Williamson was blustering and even if he truly doesn't believe what he said, he said it because it goes down well with their target demographic

That's true.

Pasteur.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Its highly unlikely to be hugely different to other countries.

Quite possible it'll be very similar to the UK one.

They aren't going to have people walking in and out of a hospital to get vaccinated, thats just stupidity. Let's think logically about this.

Your likely to see something very similar to test centres that were deployed around the country.

That was my first thought

Would they be using the test centres as vaccination centres

Pasteur.

Why is Dr Fauci criticising the UK

They've approved the vaccine so calling them out will only reduce the uptake

BrianD3

German MEP on sky news about an hour ago. Very defensive against any accusations of EU bureaucracy delaying vaccine approval. Criticised the UK for approving using a less onerous emergency authorisation process rather than the EMA's conditional one. Stated that by doing this, the liability for any problems with the vaccine rests with the state whereas with EMA conditional approval, the liability rests with the manufacturer.

Then said that he is "confident" that the EMA will approve the vaccine "before Christmas".

Given that we have previously heard about approval "by the" 29th December, the manoeuvring and politicisation of this is continuing and not just on the UK side.

The earlier the approval, the more likely that the HSE will be caught with its head up its ass which is the default position for it.

crossman47

The fact this country doesn't have a unique national identifier will complicate the process. But of course those who scream "Big Brother" at such a suggestion won't care. We shouls have had one years ago.

wes

crossman47 wrote: »

The fact this country doesn't have a unique national identifier will complicate the process. But of course those who scream "Big Brother" at such a suggestion won't care. We shouls have had one years ago.

PPS number could be repurposed.

brisan

Pasteur. wrote: »

That was my first thought

Would they be using the test centres as vaccination centres

They have a lease on the IKC exhibition centre until July 21 so possibly
No word on leases of other large centres
However another poster said this would not work the same way as you need to be monitored after receiving the jab

brisan

wes wrote: »

PPS number could be repurposed.

By their own admission the HSEs IT systems are not fit for purpose and are currently being upgraded
To ask them to repurpose the PPS numbers would be stretching them a bit far

brisan

brisan wrote: »

By their own admission the HSEs IT systems are not fit for purpose and are currently being upgraded
To ask them to repurpose the PPS numbers would be stretching them a bit far

PPS number is used to record flu vaccine uptake.

brisan

Deleted User wrote: »

PPS number is used to record flu vaccine uptake.

Seemingly its the double dose thing that the system cant handle plus keeping track of which particular vaccine each individual got and the date they received the first dose and when the second dose is due

ShineOn7

is_that_so wrote: »

For fans of the immunity passports, the WHO are not in favour, but are looking at e-certificates.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1203/1182107-covid-world-health-organization/

Can we, for love of all that is holy, stop sending RTE traffic?

The Irish Times is a great resource if you want to keep it Irish

And, although it's not Irish, the Guardian website is superb

odyssey06

brisan wrote: »

Seemingly its the double dose thing that the system cant handle plus keeping track of which particular vaccine each individual got and the date they received the first dose and when the second dose is due

Billions spent on 2020 on presumptive vaccine development... parallel phases of development...
We didnt have to develop the vaccine but we should have build a presumptive IT system to keep track of multiple vaccine variants and doses. Ffs.

Water John

odyssey06 wrote: »

Billions spent on 2020 on presumptive vaccine development... parallel phases of development...
We didnt have to develop the vaccine but we should have build a presumptive IT system to keep track of multiple vaccine variants and doses. Ffs.

Is there a system that tracks each baby from birth through its vaccine schedule? Isn't that the same?

crossman47

Water John wrote: »

Is there a system that tracks each baby from birth through its vaccine schedule? Isn't that the same?

There can't be unless each baby has a unique identifier and they don't. That was my point earlier.

odyssey06

Water John wrote: »

Is there a system that tracks each baby from birth through its vaccine schedule? Isn't that the same?

Would it handle 5 different vaccines with double doses? Maybe key each one as a unique vaccine eg covid-oxford-1, covid-pfizer-2 etc could work.

hmmm

Pfizer has run into problems with quality in its supply chain.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/02/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html

"Pfizer now expects to ship half of the doses it had previously planned this year after finding raw materials in early production that didn’t meet its standard, Dow Jones reported."

It's good to see that quality control is being maintained, even if it costs supply in the short-term.

brisan

Water John wrote: »

Is there a system that tracks each baby from birth through its vaccine schedule? Isn't that the same?

Each hospital probably does it individually
One issue that was discussed on the Tonight show was that systems from different health authorities in different parts of the country could not talk to each other

Pasteur.

There's too much optimism and good news overall with the vaccines

There's gonna be a shedload of problems next year

The vaccine itself , efficacy, supply ,distribution etc