COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

stephenjmcd

CruelSummer wrote: »

In time, children can get vaccinated when a tried & tested candidate is identified.

But you need to have them in trials to have such a tried and tested vaccine. Can't have one without the other. They can hardly test on adults and say yup thats good it can be rolled out to kids without testing in their age groups.. no there has to be tests on said age group.

Its always been the way, there needs to be testing across all age groups to see the immune response and thats exactly whats going on. So far we've had very positive reports on the immune reposnse in adults and elderly

Irish Stones

CruelSummer wrote: »

In time, children can get vaccinated when a tried & tested candidate is identified. We all know that no matter how many trials there are, until mass vaccination happens, it won’t be truly known how each vaccine will perform or what its side effects will be. I’m also skeptical that vaccines will have long term immunity - but the jury and data is out on whether or not Covid will return every year or not.

I have been reprimanded for saying similar things in another thread

charlie14

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/26/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer-trial-kids/index.html

Children as young as 12 being used as guinea pigs in the States to trial the new Pfizer Covid vaccine - how is this ethical? This vaccine isn’t in development nearly long enough to be used on children in my view.

The fact that they are doing this would suggest the data on safety from adult trials must be very positive.

Russman

charlie14 wrote: »

The fact that they are doing this would suggest the data on safety from adult trials must be very positive.

I wonder if their data is ready but they’re keeping schtum until after Nov 3rd. Reading their CEO’s letter a couple of weeks ago, it really read to me that they knew it worked.

WoollyRedHat

mandrake04 wrote: »

I think I read some about Germany using it in Airports, but their case numbers are shyte so it would be hard to know if it worked or not in that scenario.

You said it worked elsewhere can you give examples?

Yes it has been working in the likes of Japan who have been using rapid testing since June and South Korea, since they first detected outbreak back in March in Daegu. South Korea have been using SD Biosensor rapid antigen test and Ginkgo Bioworks has now secured access to.

'"In conversations with operational leaders across industries, it has become clear that we will need a number of different testing solutions to effectively test communities at scale," said Matt McKnight, Chief Commercial Officer of Ginkgo Bioworks. "Incorporating antigen testing as a rapid approach to suppress potential outbreaks will be a key component to reuniting schools, offices, and communities and curbing the spread of the virus."

Gingko Bioworks runs a fully automated COVID-19 testing facilitiy in Boston that use sequencing machines to detect viral RNA. It hopes to be able to run 1 million samples each day by end of the year
and has received funding from NIH grants to rapidly scale up their testing.

Rapid Testing is also starting to roll out in several countries in Europe after being given approval last month. Excellent article below published in The Atlantic back in August interviewed Michael Mina, professor of epidemiology at Harvard, where he studies the diagnostic testing of infectious diseases, amongst others, about benefits of rapid testing in controlling outbreaks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/how-to-test-every-american-for-covid-19-every-day/615217/

I also read in The Journal that we are looking at RT-LAMP testing, hopefully this will make a difference.

https://www.livemint.com/science/health/johnson-johnson-sees-covid-19-vaccine-available-as-soon-as-january-11603694159939.html

Johnson & Johnson could see it's vaccine available for emergency use as early as January.

funnydoggy

Hardyn wrote: »

https://www.livemint.com/science/health/johnson-johnson-sees-covid-19-vaccine-available-as-soon-as-january-11603694159939.html

Johnson & Johnson could see it's vaccine available for emergency use as early as January.

That's three on the horizon - Oxford/AstraZeneca, Pfizer and J&J?

Excellent!!

funnydoggy

funnydoggy wrote: »

That's three on the horizon - Oxford/AstraZeneca, Pfizer and J&J?

Plus Moderna makes four.

funnydoggy

Hardyn wrote: »

Plus Moderna makes four.

That's the mRNA vaccine isn't it?

Wow. Reading about how that type of delivery could potentially be used for cancer treatments and the like. Amazing.

CruelSummer

stephenjmcd wrote: »

But you need to have them in trials to have such a tried and tested vaccine. Can't have one without the other. They can hardly test on adults and say yup thats good it can be rolled out to kids without testing in their age groups.. no there has to be tests on said age group.

Its always been the way, there needs to be testing across all age groups to see the immune response and thats exactly whats going on. So far we've had very positive reports on the immune reposnse in adults and elderly

I understand but at the moment, there’s no data available for us to see re adults. So why rush to trail children - that’s my point. I think there are ethical questions in doing that. But as I said, I don’t have their data to hand.

JacksonHeightsOwn

Hardyn wrote: »

Plus Moderna makes four.

Sputnik to................... ðŸ˜

Isn't there a fair few Chinese ones as well?

I'm not slating the Chinese biomedical industry, but I hope its better than their home appliances industry, I've gone through more Chinese made toasters and kettles then I could shake a big stick at

Russman

Out of curiosity, for those on the thread knowledgeable in such things, which of the candidate vaccines would you prefer to take and why ? In layman’s terms.

Do you think we’ll have any choice in the matter ? Like if the govt get 500k of each, would it be random as to which one your GP gets ?

timsey tiger

mandrake04 wrote: »

Sounds good.

I think this be a better candidate than Pfizer.

How much off this is due to the science and how much to marketing and the anglosphere?

funnydoggy

funnydoggy wrote: »

That's the mRNA vaccine isn't it?

Wow. Reading about how that type of delivery could potentially be used for cancer treatments and the like. Amazing.

Pfizer is an mRna vaccine too. You're right though. Has huge potential for benefits in healthcare.

funnydoggy

Hardyn wrote: »

Pfizer is an mRna vaccine too. You're right though. Has huge potential for benefits in healthcare.

Now that I did not know.


Class.

Stheno

Hardyn wrote: »

Pfizer is an mRna vaccine too. You're right though. Has huge potential for benefits in healthcare.

Whats so good about mRna if you don't mind me asking?

President Nicolas Maduro said Venezuelan scientists have isolated a molecule that inhibits the Covid-19 virus and will ask the World Health Organization to evaluate its possible use on a global scale.

The active ingredient is a derivative of ursolic acid from a plant and non-toxic to humans, Maduro said in an appearance on state television Sunday. Six months of research at the government-backed IVIC scientific institute led to the discovery, he said.

“The molecule will be mass-produced and delivered worldwide for the cure of Covid-19,” according to Maduro.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-25/venezuela-s-maduro-presents-molecule-that-inhibits-covid-19

funnydoggy

Deleted User wrote: »

President Nicolas Maduro said Venezuelan scientists have isolated a molecule that inhibits the Covid-19 virus and will ask the World Health Organization to evaluate its possible use on a global scale.

The active ingredient is a derivative of ursolic acid from a plant and non-toxic to humans, Maduro said in an appearance on state television Sunday. Six months of research at the government-backed IVIC scientific institute led to the discovery, he said.

“The molecule will be mass-produced and delivered worldwide for the cure of Covid-19,” according to Maduro.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-25/venezuela-s-maduro-presents-molecule-that-inhibits-covid-19

They'd have to start trials but that's exciting. Another possible weapon to add to the arsenal.

James Bond Junior

Bar the bloomberg article and one other, very little else to be found from googling that. Hope it isn't just clickbait.

ACitizenErased

[Deleted User] wrote: »

President Nicolas Maduro said Venezuelan scientists have isolated a molecule that inhibits the Covid-19 virus and will ask the World Health Organization to evaluate its possible use on a global scale.

The active ingredient is a derivative of ursolic acid from a plant and non-toxic to humans, Maduro said in an appearance on state television Sunday. Six months of research at the government-backed IVIC scientific institute led to the discovery, he said.

“The molecule will be mass-produced and delivered worldwide for the cure of Covid-19,” according to Maduro.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-25/venezuela-s-maduro-presents-molecule-that-inhibits-covid-19

That’s never going to work anyway. The EU will never admit the socialists came first

lurker2000

So, I'm returning to work this week having been off due to COVID - My date of return has been cleared by the HSE but I've been informed at the last minute that my colleagues want me to get another test to prove I'm negative. Anybody got this done in the Dublin region that you can recommend?

suicide_circus

Let your colleagues pay for it

Beanybabog

The tropical medical bureau has them but they’re pretty dear

stargazer 68

Unless you have been at home for 12 weeks another test wont show negative! When the HSE test the staff at nursing homes etc if you have had a positive test you cant be tested for another 12 weeks as you will still show remains of the virus.

Now my time could be inaccurate but that's from what I remember from drawing up the staff lists to submit to the HSE

Sheep Shagger

Since when do colleagues decide, what is your HR saying?

How do your colleagues even know you went for a test?

PmMeUrDogs

If you're medically cleared as fit to return, and your boss is refusing to allow you to work without yet another test, surely they should be paying you for your contracted hours too as you're available and willing to work?

ShineOn7

"Vaccine Early Next Year!" shouts the front page of today's Daily Star with a picture of Leo

A bit misleading to their already not very bright audience I think and it'll give them false hope


IF Ireland gets one by Q1 next year (and I highly doubt the HSE won't completely balls it up somehow) then surely it'll all go to Frontline workers

lurker2000

Hi - The boss has agreed to pay for it .... but I'm pretty bummed out as I have abided by all the restrictions and thankfully had not passed it to any of my contacts due to safe practices. He's in bind I guess with a few of them getting together on this. I can understand people are worried but I've done my isolation as required.

is_that_so

ShineOn7 wrote: »

"Vaccine Early Next Year!" shouts the front page of today's Daily Star with a picture of Leo



A bit misleading to their already not very bright audience I think and it'll give them false hope



IF Ireland gets one by Q1 next year (and I highly doubt the HSE won't completely balls it up somehow) then surely it'll all go to Frontline workers

Q3-Q4 for most people in that scenario.

is_that_so

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That’s never going to work anyway. The EU will never admit the socialists came first

A slightly more detailed article.


https://thecanadian.news/2020/10/26/nicolas-maduro-venezuela-has-obtained-a-medicine-that-cancels-the-coronavirus-100/