COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

3xh

And yet in the UK, they’re openly using saliva home kits in door to door testing programs and any positives out of those are being added to the daily totals they’re using to justify their impending lockdown.

JTMan

The Irish Times are reporting that drive-through flu vaccination clinic could be used for a Covid-19 vaccine here (paywall).

The UK are going to use drive-through to distribute the vaccine. Drive-through makes sense because it speeds things up as the article says “We can do a car a minute for ten hours so that’s 60 cars an hour or 600 cars in a ten-hour period and over eight weekends or 16 days, that’s 7,200 people which is more than a GP would see in a year”.

is_that_so

3xh wrote: »

And yet in the UK, they’re openly using saliva home kits in door to door testing programs and any positives out of those are being added to the daily totals they’re using to justify their impending lockdown.

The UK are doing and have been doing things others should not copy. They are in a bit of mess over there on all fronts.

hmmm

kwestfan08 wrote: »

No doubt every vaccine does, but am I right in thinking it was made in less than a year?

Yes, but it was a simpler job to adapt an existing flu vaccine.

Tenzor07

kwestfan08 wrote: »

No doubt every vaccine does, but am I right in thinking it was made in less than a year?

And just like the Swine flu vaccine, the Irish Govt. will completely indemnify the manufacturers of the jab and pay whatever price is demanded..

JTMan

Tenzor07 wrote: »

pay whatever price is demanded..

The Irish government does not decide the price, it has already (for 6 vaccine candidates) being agreed at an EU level. The prices negotiated seem to be cost price or not much beyond cost.

3xh

is_that_so wrote: »

The UK are doing and have been doing things others should not copy. They are in a bit of mess over there on all fronts.

Yeah, regardless though, what effect are these tests having on;

1) their positive count.
and
2) their national Covid policy once they have the numbers.

It’s a rhetorical question to be honest. I ask it only to highlight just how piecemeal and random each country’s Covid policies are yet somehow we’re all ‘singing from the same hymn sheet’ and returning largely similar per 100,000 figures and death rates.

The whole thing is a joke.

Gael23

The timeline of a vaccine appears to be getting further away rather than closer. Now talking mid to late 2021

ACitizenErased

Gael23 wrote: »

The timeline of a vaccine appears to be getting further away rather than closer. Now talking mid to late 2021

Latest from US officials is 100 million doses for them by end of year and enough to vaccinate the whole population by April.
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/payer/azar-lays-out-optimistic-covid-19-vaccine-timeline-100-million-doses-by-end-2020

marno21

Gael23 wrote: »

The timeline of a vaccine appears to be getting further away rather than closer. Now talking mid to late 2021

Where did you see this?

Le Bruise

Gael23 wrote: »

The timeline of a vaccine appears to be getting further away rather than closer. Now talking mid to late 2021

Do you have a link to any stories suggesting this?

The EU deal with Johnson & Johnson has them pledging 500 million additional doses to third world countries from July 2021.....assuming this will be after they've received the 400 million doses secured for their own citizens, so we can assume they'll be rolled out to us sometime in second quarter 2021?

Now over a billion doses secured by EU, pretty impressive (assuming they all work)!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-j-j/eu-secures-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-for-400-million-people-idUSKBN26T1P6

Gael23

marno21 wrote: »

Where did you see this?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/16/cdc-director-coronavirus-vaccine-late-2021-trump

Le Bruise

Gael23 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/16/cdc-director-coronavirus-vaccine-late-2021-trump

That article is from a month ago, so where are they 'now talking mid to late 2021'?

It also links to a related story down the bottom, where the CDC are saying a vaccine will be ready in November.....:rolleyes:

Stark

Well there's "ready" in the sense of "approved for emergency use" and "ready" as in "generally available".

Gael23

Le Bruise wrote: »

That article is from a month ago, so where are they 'now talking mid to late 2021'?

It also links to a related story down the bottom, where the CDC are saying a vaccine will be ready in November.....:rolleyes:

Hope your right. I’m not an anti vaxxer or anything and more than happy to take a tried and tested vaccine as long as it leads to the removal of all restrictions on us.

Le Bruise

Stark wrote: »

Well there's "ready" in the sense of "approved for emergency use" and "ready" as in "generally available".

Ah I know, was just amusing that there seemed to be two seemingly contrasting views from the CDC on the same page of the article.

Le Bruise

Gael23 wrote: »

Hope your right. I’m not an anti vaxxer or anything and more than happy to take a tried and tested vaccine as long as it leads to the removal of all restrictions on us.

I hope I'm right too.....but I have no idea really! I just prefer to be optimistic about the whole thing and seek out the good news stories on vaccines, as there's enough doom and gloom around this whole thing already!:)

nannerbenahs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJq8MBgYJ4Q

IMO the best current analysis

smurfjed

Humans trials of Sputnik have started in the UAE.

is_that_so

smurfjed wrote: »

Humans trials of Sputnik have started in the UAE.

Does it involve shooting people into space?

Gael23

Someone cleared up that a vaccine works by stopping the the disease Covid 19 and not sars cov 2 which I didn’t know.

Can you contract sars cov 2 and not get Covid 19? Forgive my ignorance here

hmmm

Not Covid, but great to hear that a trial has had good success in lowering the risk of Dengue. Horrible disease which is spreading into Europe.

Science for the win.

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/health-wellness/article/3104731/end-dengue-fever-mosquito-experiment-indonesia-sees-huge

Ardillaun

China’s testing capacity has moved to another level:

The Chinese city of Qingdao is testing its entire population of nine million people for Covid-19 over a period of five days.
The mass testing comes after the discovery of a dozen cases linked to a hospital treating coronavirus patients arriving from abroad.
In May, China tested the entire city of Wuhan - home to 11 million people and the epicentre of the global pandemic.
The country has largely brought the virus under control.
That is in stark contrast to other parts of the world, where there are still high case numbers and lockdown restrictions of varying severity.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54504785

Le Bruise

hmmm wrote: »

Not Covid, but great to hear that a trial has had good success in lowering the risk of Dengue. Horrible disease which is spreading into Europe.

Science for the win.

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/health-wellness/article/3104731/end-dengue-fever-mosquito-experiment-indonesia-sees-huge

Great news! I had Dengue Fever when living in Jakarta as a child and ended up hospitalised. Horrendous disease.

Hmmzis

Gael23 wrote: »

Someone cleared up that a vaccine works by stopping the the disease Covid 19 and not sars cov 2 which I didn’t know.

Can you contract sars cov 2 and not get Covid 19? Forgive my ignorance here

Yes, contracting a virus infection does not equal development of a disease (clinical abnormalities). That's the case for the overwhelming majority of viruses inhabiting you, me and everyone else on the planet - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_virome

3xh

Gael23 wrote: »

Hope your right. I’m not an anti vaxxer or anything and more than happy to take a tried and tested vaccine as long as it leads to the removal of all restrictions on us.

Actually that’s a good point you raise.

Imagine taking the vaccine to do your bit towards opening up fully again, ditching masks, no tests everywhere you go etc only to be told by the experts and government ‘we’re not there yet, we need a few more people to come forward first’

And on and on it goes......

Nothing a bit of mandatory health passports, blue shields on an app and ‘Covid immune’ bracelets wouldn’t solve for those who have taken the vaccine.

Not having a go at you Gael23.

is_that_so

3xh wrote: »

Actually that’s a good point you raise.

Imagine taking the vaccine to do your bit towards opening up fully again, ditching masks, no tests everywhere you go etc only to be told by the experts and government ‘we’re not there yet, we need a few more people to come forward first’

And on and on it goes......

Nothing a bit of mandatory health passports, blue shields on an app and ‘Covid immune’ bracelets wouldn’t solve for those who have taken the vaccine.

Not having a go at you Gael23.

By that time we should have accurate quick tests to allay such fears. You won't see the mandatory health passports or other paraphernalia in Europe anyway.

3xh

is_that_so wrote: »

By that time we should have accurate quick tests to allay such fears. You won't see the mandatory health passports or other paraphernalia in Europe anyway.

Let’s hope so.

Dionaibh

is_that_so wrote: »

By that time we should have accurate quick tests to allay such fears. You won't see the mandatory health passports or other paraphernalia in Europe anyway.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. An international health passport is being trialled as we speak, and Common Pass is being trialled as well.

c.p.w.g.w

jackboy wrote: »

They aren’t planning. It’s going to be extremely difficult to get the majority of nurses to take he vaccine first. It will be a sh*tshow.

Sure most nurses won't take the flu vaccine... hardly going to see those same nurses take a vaccine that is new on the market...also most nurses still recommend people brake arnica(for me that should lead to then having their nursing credentials removed)