Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

RandomName2 wrote: »

Yes it was. Perhaps it should have been done a week ago, but it is still useful nonetheless.



They failed in the most basic and important task of testing people coming from affected regions, instead waiting for people to develop symptoms and present themselves for testing. They also allowed a doctor or medical student in Cork University Hospital to go unchecked for quite some time despite his worsening conditions matching that of covid-19, because he had not been to an affected region. If people have no symptoms and have not been in direct contact with someone who has been diagnosed as having covid-19 they won't test them. This is criminally stupid or inept. I am not sure which.



More than the points on a compas.

More than the 19 cases that have currently been revealed. It would be nice to know where the cases that clearly exist but have not been released are.

It would also be nice to have some sort of contingency plans drawn up and for this information to be released to the public.

The handling of this across Europe has been disastrous so far. Utterly, utterly disastrous.

They still don't know who the patient in cork got it off.

Its UHL A&E Limerick where the doctor (Cluster of 4 in west) worked, he also worked as GP not his fault but HSE.

Also now some of the contacts are still working (getting checked twice a day) in UHL Limerick as it would be too short staffed to tell them to quarantine. From the Limerick Leader

MadYaker wrote: »

I was expecting a much larger increase. Fingers crossed a proportionally similar increase for us and not massive.

That's a massive one day jump, pal.

Massive.

niallo27 wrote: »

I'd check your maths again there.

Half the population = 2.5 million

15-20% of that needing hospital treatment = 375,000-500,000 hence why I stated up to 500,000

2-3% mortality rate among half the population = 50,000-75,000

wadacrack wrote: »

An RO below 1 means that a disease can be contained. Explains why the World Health Org haven't labelled it a pandemic. Economic greed means no European country is doing this quick enough

I would rather say excess of liberalism (certainly economic liberalism as you said but also social liberalism: individual freedom is considered paramount which means restricting individual freedom of movement within a city, a country, or between countries is not accepted even when facing this situation).

It is still early days but I’d actually say what looked like it was going to hurt China a month ago might actually increase its global influence in the end. If Western democracies can’t handle this at least as well as China in terms of health impacts it will alter public trust in our post WW2 ideological consensus.

dan786 wrote: »

67 more people infected with coronavirus in UK - taking total to 273

That number is just going to keep rising. The lack of hygiene you see around London really is shocking.

I was getting my haircut at a barbers in Wembley and the barber was coughing all over me during the haircut, a real nasty dry cough. At one point he coughed into his hands and wiped them with the scissors he was using to cut my hair. Only for he had half of my head bald at that point I would've gotten up and left. That's just one example. You see some pretty bad hygiene practices on the tube going to and from work every day. It's only when something like this happens when you start to take notice.

Don't see much being done about it by Boris and the boys. They seem to have a similar attitude to Ireland. Bar a few posters on shop windows, it's business as usual in London.

MadYaker wrote: »

I was expecting a much larger increase. Fingers crossed a proportionally similar increase for us and not massive.

Without quarantine daily infection rates are around 30-40% of the previous days total. Expect tomorrow's UK number to be between 80-110

I'd expect ROI figure today to be around 8-12 mark.

Blueshoe wrote: »

He is minister of health. He is the top of the chain. Holohan and co answer to Simon Harris

No they provide the advice, which he just agrees to. Between themselves and the HSE they are running the show, only right given they have the expertise. There have also been stakeholder meetings which the DoH/HSE have provided input into.

kevin12345 wrote: »

That number is just going to keep rising. The lack of hygiene you see around London really is shocking.

I was getting my haircut at a barbers in Wembley and the barber was coughing all over me during the haircut, a real nasty dry cough. At one point he coughed into his hands and wiped them with the scissors he was using to cut my hair. Only for he had half of my head bald at that point I would've gotten up and left. That's just one example. You see some pretty bad hygiene practices on the tube going to and from work every day. It's only when something like this happens when you start to take notice.

Don't see much being done about it by Boris and the boys. They seem to have a similar attitude to Ireland. Bar a few posters on shop windows, it's business as usual in London.

Once the banks and MNCs start telling people to work from home we'll start to see the difference, Londoners speak the language of work and money more than anyone.

If you had asked anybody heading back to work last January, they would all have said ‘Paddy’s Day next, can’t wait!’

But everything has changed since January.

16 Million People locked down in Italy. Nobody saw that coming.

Whatever about the cultural and religious significance of St. Patrick’s Day – we love the crack. We love the shamrock, the bands and stupid Leprechaun hats, the ridiculous beards, the pints, prizes for the best float – we love being Irish on Paddy’s Day.

Fact is, cancelling the St. Patrick’s Day Parades will suck. It just will. It’s a quagmire.

We depend on it, it heralds in our tourist season. Last year record numbers flew in and with them came the money. The day itself was worth €121 million to the Irish economy’. (Trade Group - see below). 13 million pints of Guinness were consumed worldwide and the US spent about $5.6 billion on the Festival …give or take a few bob. The economic repercussions of cancelling are scary.

Nobody pines for the cancellation of the Parade. Nobody wanted any of this.

But we are where we are; 88 countries and growing, 16 Million people in Italy on Lockdown, Milan, Venice, Parma and Modena in Quarantine, and sadly ICU rationing and prioritization has begun. Globally infections have passed the 100,000 mark. 30 States infected in the US…and this afternoon The HSE said that it cannot dispute projections that 1.9 million people in the Republic of Ireland may fall ill with coronavirus.

Apart from watching ‘Contagion’ we are all looking at China and taking notes.

Dr. Bruce Aylward ( the leader of the W.H.O. team that visited China) said that China’s “bold approach to the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of what was a rapidly escalating epidemic.”

Then The New York Times reports this morning that “The economy has ground to a near standstill, and many small businesses say they may soon run out of cash.” (Full article below)

It’s a rotten Catch-22.

Somewhere is the middle, we have Dr. William Schaffner infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University. “China can’t turn it off, but they did turn it down. And it did provide the rest of the world with some extra time.”

The numbers suggest that aggressive quarantine measures, when fully enforced, can choke the spread of the virus.

Truth is, no one know anything for sure.

Dr. William Schaffner put it well; “This is the largest public health experiment in the history of humankind.”

Northern Italy were slapped on the back of the hand early on for trying to - let me steel Leo’s words here - ‘Act Unilaterally ‘and they were promptly reminded to get back in line and ‘Act in Concert’. Now, four times the population of Ireland is in Lock down.

We are going to have to cancel the Parades; we have to try choke the spread. For now it’s all we have and yeah, it sucks.


https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/guinness-pints-st-patricks-day-us-economy

China may be beating the Coronavirus, at a painful cost
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/world/asia/china-coronavirus-cost.html

HSE 'cannot dispute' projections over coronavirus
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0308/1120943-covid-19/

MadYaker wrote: »

I wouldn't call it massive. If cases had doubled id call that massive. They've tested 23,500 people in the UK.

Put it this way, if cases are doubling every day then the UK are 12 days away from having over a million known cases

MadYaker wrote: »

gabeeg wrote: »

UK up to 273 cases from 209 yesterday.

I was expecting a much larger increase. Fingers crossed a proportionally similar increase for us and not massive.

31% is still a pretty big increase..

That would be an extra six cases for us. Or over a million in 42 days' time.

77 new cases today in the Netherlands and 2 new deaths.

Total cases 265

namloc1980 wrote: »

And yet we've had only 1 case in the last 36 hours according to the HSE. Does anyone actually believe that!?

One confirmed case. The only people we are testing are those who report symptoms and those in close contact with people who have already been confirmed as infected.