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Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Poor day for Labour all round really. Some significant losses in England and Wales. Some votes gained in Scotland, but that looks more to do with unionists tactically voting and not splitting the vote in certain constituencies. Disastrous for Stamer really. They're already blaming Corbyn. Bit of a dead horse at this stage.

Turns out berating your voter core for being idiot racists and focusing on niche social issues they dont relate to dosnt win you votes.

breezy1985

suicide_circus wrote: »

Turns out berating your voter core for being idiot racists and focusing on niche social issues they dont relate to dosnt win you votes.

It does win you votes but sadly only in constituencies in the cities that were going to vote Labour anyway which is useless in a FPTP system.


No overall losses in Wales though so obviously the Welsh are more keen on niche social issues. Weird because apparently all working class people are alienated by Labour

breezy1985

As I said this morning English politics is now the same as the US for some.

Vote Tory if you love Britain vote Labour if you hate Britain. The post above is exactly this crap

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breezy1985 wrote: »

As I said this morning English politics is now the same as the US for some.

Vote Tory if you love Britain vote Labour if you hate Britain. The post above is exactly this crap

Agreed. Why has this happened?

Chips Lovell

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listermint

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Did you actually read my post?
As I said, you rarely see the flags in England, they will come out on special occasions though.

Did you actually read my post. You see them all the time the length and breadth of the place. Not reserved for special occasions.

I'm not sure of the point your making. I'm just telling you they are not rare like your making out nor 'special occasiony' either

A Dub in Glasgo

That is the count finished for today in Scotland with 48 of the 73 FPTP seats confirmed, the remaining 25 seats and all 56 regional seats will be counted tomorrow

SNP 39
Lib Dems 4
Tory 3
Labour 2

My constituency result was announced earlier

Mr.Nice Guy

Judging by the narrative in the media, if the SNP are a bit short of the 65 number, it looks like the unionists will use this as justification for refusing a referendum. That would be fair enough if they were the only party wanting one, but they're not. It should depend on whether a majority of pro-independence representatives are elected, not just the SNP.

listermint

suicide_circus wrote: »

Agreed. Why has this happened?

I'd assume because the Tories are flooding the field with lies continually each day new lie each week more non issues. Just keep it going its infects people.


And labour absolutely don't have the leader to combat that. Zero charisma and really missing people on the ground connecting with individual voters.

breezy1985

suicide_circus wrote: »

Agreed. Why has this happened?

Consistent media attacks on the likes of Corbyn with silly stories about him being some Soviet spy ready to open the Gulags or a secret member of the IRA


Also some seem to think that young people who dont like Britains colonial past means they dont like or care about the current country. Criticism isnt hate

A Dub in Glasgo

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Judging by the narrative in the media, if the SNP are a bit short of the 65 number, it looks like the unionists will use this as justification for refusing a referendum. That would be fair enough if they were the only party wanting one, but they're not. It should depend on whether a majority of pro-independence representatives are elected, not just the SNP.

The media narrative exclusively unionist

The facts should be pointed out to them on the equivalent basis with Westminster ie FPTP results. The Tories obtained a mandate for the Brexit referendum by winning the 2015 general election. The Tories got 37% of the vote which gave them an overall majority

listermint

10000maniacs wrote: »

The post mortem begins on all the UK channels this evening.
The elephant in the room has not been mentioned once yet tonight. Immigration.
Burying their head in the sand on immigration will eventually kill Labour off.
For better or worse, it's what the people want addressed in places like Hartlepool.

Interesting can you elaborate on that bit I mean like considering the stats of circa 94,000 or so

98.6% of people living in Hartlepool speak English. The other top languages spoken are 0.3% Polish, 0.1% Bengali, 0.1% All other Chinese, 0.1% Urdu, 0.1% Tagalog/Filipino, 0.1% Panjabi.

This whole immigration thing in Hartlepool must be off the chain it seems ... Such a real life day to day concern.


May I also note the population growth of pretty stagnant over the last decade there too.

suicide_circus

breezy1985 wrote: »

Consistent media attacks on the likes of Corbyn with silly stories about him being some Soviet spy ready to open the Gulags or a secret member of the IRA


Also some seem to think that young people who dont like Britains colonial past means they dont like or care about the current country. Criticism isnt hate

Ah yes, the media. MSM is it?

Disliking their colonial past is a pointless exercise, no amount of self flagellation for the actions of their long dead fore fathers will win an election.

listermint

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ah yes, the media. MSM is it?

Disliking their colonial past is a pointless exercise, no amount of self flagellation for the actions of their long dead fore fathers will win an election.

Interesting was this a campaign piece of labours? Hadn't see that. Have you any details.

Capt'n Midnight

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Two votes, one in a FPTP constituency and another for regional lists where the constituencies are grouped together

It's handier to think of the grouped ones as a consolation prize after the FPTP round has completed.

There's eight additional member regions, formed from multiple FPTP constituencies, each has 7 seats. And you get penalised heavily for winning FPTP seats.


https://www.thenational.scot/news/19209143.everything-wanted-know-dhondt-voting-system-holyrood-election/

the formula for deciding the quota needed to elect a list MSP is still D’Hondt’s V/(S+1), but the actual V and S here are a bit different. For Holyrood elections, the V is the vote cast for a particular party on the regional list. The S is the number of seats already won by each party via the FPTP constituency process – so the S differs with each political party.

So for example if the SNP win all seven seats via FPTP then their quota to get elected is eight times as much as that of the Greens who didn't win a seat earlier.

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well done lads - you made sure you undermined Corbyn and your actual core supporters for...this.

Yeah he was just about to renationalise everything.

The entire Labour Party is a joke at this stage. Half a dozen people saw no problem with this being made public: https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1388521276256497674
It's like they don't want to win.

suicide_circus

listermint wrote: »

Interesting was this a campaign piece of labours? Hadn't see that. Have you any details.

What did Labour do wrong to precipitate this melt down? Or is purely sisnister outside forces?

listermint

suicide_circus wrote: »

What did Labour do wrong to precipitate this melt down? Or is purely sisnister outside forces?

Mix of multiple factors are you really thinking it's just one thing ? Really ??

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listermint wrote: »

Mix of multiple factors are you really thinking it's just one thing ? Really ??

No of course not but a party collapsing at this rate requires introspection and reform maybe an ould purge

breezy1985

listermint wrote: »

Interesting was this a campaign piece of labours? Hadn't see that. Have you any details.

Some "SJW woke BLM progressive" said it on twitter probably so now its put up as labour policy


It was of course David Cameron who apologised for Bloody Sunday so he must hate Britain too or love the IRA like Corbyn does

breezy1985

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Yeah he was just about to renationalise everything.

The entire Labour Party is a joke at this stage. Half a dozen people saw no problem with this being made public: https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1388521276256497674
It's like they don't want to win.

Dont vote Labour cause one guy cant box and another cant eat a bacon sandwich properly. What an educated electorate

suicide_circus

breezy1985 wrote: »

Some "SJW woke BLM progressive" said it on twitter probably so now its put up as labour policy


It was of course David Cameron who apologised for Bloody Sunday so he must hate Britain too or love the IRA like Corbyn does

See, you can identify the perception problem. Maybe telling Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar to do one would help the party get back to it's roots.

breezy1985

suicide_circus wrote: »

See, you can identify the perception problem. Maybe telling Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar to do one would help the party get back to it's roots.

What are its roots ?


If you mean win back the red wall by copying Tory policy then no I dont want it to go back to its roots. I dont know Sarkar but if you have actually listened to Jones and can get over the fact that he is a gay Guardian journalist you would see he cares deeply about Britain and the poorer in the country. He cares a lot more and has much greater connection to the working class than Johnson does

listermint

suicide_circus wrote: »

See, you can identify the perception problem. Maybe telling Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar to do one would help the party get back to it's roots.

It's Twitter.

I think you might find doing actually grass roots work and getting of the Twitter is where progress is made. Look at Georgia.


But you seem to think all these folks in Hartlepool are watching Owen Jones on Twitter..

devnull

News coming in from London that Shaun Bailey has took a surprising early lead in the London Mayor contest.

Still a long way to go and more favorable counts for Labour to come but this was supposed to be a slam dunk for Sadiq Khan based on recent polling.

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Joe_ Public

devnull wrote: »

News coming in from London that Shaun Bailey has took a surprising early lead in the London Mayor contest.

Still a long way to go and more favorable counts for Labour to come but this was supposed to be a slam dunk for Sadiq Khan based on recent polling.

Saw it posted on social media earlier today that baileys people were suggesting they were going to win it. Some body blow if that proves true.

breezy1985

devnull wrote: »

News coming in from London that Shaun Bailey has took a surprising early lead in the London Mayor contest.

Still a long way to go and more favorable counts for Labour to come but this was supposed to be a slam dunk for Sadiq Khan based on recent polling.

He has turned 2 districts in the suburbs and it looks like a situation similar to the national votes where Labour will gain and smash the areas it wins but lose some constituencies. The Greens are gaining and it seems to be hurting Labour a little too


Khan should still win the run off but I think this could be worse for Starmer than the North because it shows his policy is not gaining the brexiters but also losing voters to socially liberal parties

10000maniacs

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Judging by the narrative in the media, if the SNP are a bit short of the 65 number, it looks like the unionists will use this as justification for refusing a referendum. That would be fair enough if they were the only party wanting one, but they're not. It should depend on whether a majority of pro-independence representatives are elected, not just the SNP.

I am keeping my fingers crossed for a few Green seats. They want out too.

Tom Mann Centuria

breezy1985 wrote: »

Khan should still win the run off but I think this could be worse for Starmer than the North because it shows his policy is not gaining the brexiters but also losing voters to socially liberal parties

His policy of not having any policies?