Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

ThePopehimself

F£ck this! Lombardy has been slapped on the wrist, expect numbers to start going ‘down’….

Italy, Mired in Politics Over Virus, Asks How Much Testing Is Too Much

“…the dispute centers around whether Lombardy had inflated the threat by testing too much. Much of that criticism has come from rival Italian officials at the national level, no doubt concerned about Italy’s blighted image ...

At its heart, the debate centers on testing.

The central government argues that other regions within Italy and other countries have respected global guidelines by focusing tests on people showing symptoms of the virus.

According to the Health Ministry, Lombardy has also carried out swab tests on people who have no symptoms themselves.

Experts at the WHO and Italy’s Health Ministry said in interviews that it was possible that Lombardy had created an inflated perception of the threat by including in case totals people who tested positive for the virus but who had not gotten sick. But many scientists say that attempting to track even mild cases of the virus is essential to containing its spread.

On Thursday Lombardy said it would now conform with national and international guidelines and test only people showing symptoms.

Other experts have raised concerns that carriers without symptoms could be spreading the virus, and the W.H.O. was under pressure to revise its guidelines …
Meanwhile, Lombardy officials said they preferred to know who had the virus.
“Either you hide problems under a carpet, or you lift the carpet and you clean the floor,” Attilio Fontana, the region’s president, said.”

Full Article below:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/world/europe/italy-coronavirus.html

dan786

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233728002690666496?s=20

tara73

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Do we trust authority or don't we?

no, we don't. no matter which country in the world.

BanditLuke

Sobering stuff from the front line.

https://twitter.com/thesunilgarg/status/1233723465359708160

Just a cold bro.

otnomart

tillyfilly wrote: »

should i decline handshakes?

the French Health Minister stated yesterday that he recommends to avoid them.
Source: https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1233464893891862528

iguana

Beanybabog wrote: »

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/29/to-hell-and-back-my-three-weeks-suffering-from-coronavirus

This is a good article. Apologies if it’s been posted already. Its the first account I’ve seen from someone who had it I think

I wonder if more had been known about the virus on Jan 17th when he started to feel sick, and he had immediately just gone to bed and rested, would the virus have been less severe for him?

Kermit.de.frog

ThePopehimself wrote: »

F£ck this! Lombardy has been slapped on the wrist, expect numbers to start going ‘down’….

Italy, Mired in Politics Over Virus, Asks How Much Testing Is Too Much

“…the dispute centers around whether Lombardy had inflated the threat by testing too much. Much of that criticism has come from rival Italian officials at the national level, no doubt concerned about Italy’s blighted image ...

At its heart, the debate centers on testing.

The central government argues that other regions within Italy and other countries have respected global guidelines by focusing tests on people showing symptoms of the virus.

According to the Health Ministry, Lombardy has also carried out swab tests on people who have no symptoms themselves.

Experts at the WHO and Italy’s Health Ministry said in interviews that it was possible that Lombardy had created an inflated perception of the threat by including in case totals people who tested positive for the virus but who had not gotten sick. But many scientists say that attempting to track even mild cases of the virus is essential to containing its spread.

On Thursday Lombardy said it would now conform with national and international guidelines and test only people showing symptoms.

Other experts have raised concerns that carriers without symptoms could be spreading the virus, and the W.H.O. was under pressure to revise its guidelines …
Meanwhile, Lombardy officials said they preferred to know who had the virus.
“Either you hide problems under a carpet, or you lift the carpet and you clean the floor,” Attilio Fontana, the region’s president, said.”

Full Article below:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/world/europe/italy-coronavirus.html

Not surprising.

It was the same in China - constantly changing the criteria. The only practical effect is to not solve any problem but to try some image rescuing by masking the problem.

Not including people who have the virus but are not sick is really incredible because they could get very sick and/or they spread it regardless.

Wibbs

Blueshoe wrote: »

The gash that wasn't there 2days ago. No I didn't see it.

I saw it. Didn't look too bad to me. Not a doctor. I've had worse looking cuts and plastered or polticed them up, job done. To be fair I've never taken an antibiotic in my life so am either lucky or have a strong immune system, for bacteria anyway.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Prof Luke O'Neill, professor of immunology at Trinity College spoke on the late late show last night urging people to be calm but take sensible precautions. He was scoffed at by many of the more concerned people on here. Meanwhile, Dr John Campbell, nurse trainer and youtube personality, has his word taken as gospel. Do we trust authority or don't we? What makes Dr Campbell more reliable than Prof O'Neill?

+1000 Don't get me started on Campbell DJ. Seems to be the emerging goto populist choice for info. He's OK, but A) just as chock full of vague supposition as many out there and meandering as hell. Takes half a bloody hour to make his points when five minutes would suffice. On the latter score I find him hair itchingly irritating. Get to the bloody point man! Christ. Though he often doesn't have one, which many might miss as they nod off to sleep halfway through. If you want to save 30 minutes of your life, freeze frame on his written notes, read and close window.

Beanybabog

iguana wrote: »

I wonder if more had been known about the virus on Jan 17th when he started to feel sick, and he had immediately just gone to bed and rested, would the virus have been less severe for him?

What I found interesting was the grandmother wasn’t tested but was sick, and if she had it she seemed to bounce back better. Also it appears in the household either the Dad was the only one who didn’t get it, or showed no symptoms if he did.
Also it’s only one story but gives some insight into the level of testing- a family of five with 2 confirmed cases, the other three weren’t tested even though two had symptoms. So while that’s 2 confirmed cases, it could have been 5.

Blueshoe

BanditLuke wrote: »

Sobering stuff from the front line.

https://twitter.com/thesunilgarg/status/1233723465359708160

Just a cold bro.

Going by the death statistics if you are under 80 will will probably be ok

155,000 people die every day. The circle of life

Rob A. Bank

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

People making reassuring comparisons to the flu are mocked and told to be quiet, yet at the same time the spanish flu is being used by some as a model for the amount of damage that could be caused - is influenza a valid comparison or isn't it?

Comparisons with the regular influenza, for which we have effective vaccines and antiviral drugs, are indeed spurious... the mortality rate is but a fraction of what Covid 19 is causing.

The 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic in Ireland had a mortality rate of 2.6%... not that far from some of the quoted figures for the present pandemic. It was also a "new" virus, which had made the species jump from animals, to which the population had no immunity and it was droplet spread.

Much is unknown about the present virus as it has only been studied for about 2 months but IMHO the comparison with Spanish flu may be valid. Only time will tell.

otnomart

Tests statistics:
South Korea: 66,652
Italy: 9,462
UK: 7,132
France: 762
United States: 445
Austria: 321
Germany ?
Ireland ?
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

creditcarder

Wibbs wrote: »

+1000 Don't get me started on Campbell DJ. Seems to be the emerging goto populist choice for info. He's OK, but A) just as chock full of vague supposition as many out there and meandering as hell. Takes half a bloody hour to make his points when five minutes would suffice. On the latter score I find him hair itchingly irritating. Get to the bloody point man! Christ. Though he often doesn't have one, which many might miss as they nod off to sleep halfway through. If you want to save 30 minutes of your life, freeze frame on his written notes, read and close window.

Not to sound too CT, but he is a techer in Asia and africa and randomly is talking about the coronavirus and randomly supports the SCMP .



Curious about one of your older posts where the coronavirus test can actually mix up with the flue?

Itssoeasy

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Not really you are not going to find something you are not looking for.

HSE are useless fookers.

Well the HSE has issues but the staff aren't useless fookers as you say. I really really wish people having a go at the HSE would be specific as to just what part they are on about.

Drumpot

Wibbs wrote: »

I saw it. Didn't look too bad to me. Not a doctor. I've had worse looking cuts and plastered or polticed them up, job done. To be fair I've never taken an antibiotic in my life so am either lucky or have a strong immune system, for bacteria anyway.

+1000 Don't get me started on Campbell DJ. Seems to be the emerging goto populist choice for info. He's OK, but A) just as chock full of vague supposition as many out there and meandering as hell. Takes half a bloody hour to make his points when five minutes would suffice. On the latter score I find him hair itchingly irritating. Get to the bloody point man! Christ. Though he often doesn't have one, which many might miss as they nod off to sleep halfway through. If you want to save 30 minutes of your life, freeze frame on his written notes, read and close window.

To be fair to him, his earlier stuff was better and he’s called a lot of what’s happened. I remember him calling the cruise ship a dangerous experiment from the start.

Easy for him to do of course cause he wasn’t in authority and there would be no consequences for what he said. But he’s shown to be a reliable and accurate source for information and communicates in a way that a lot of people like. He does waffle but eventually his points are clear.

In fairness this doesn’t make him a completely accurate source but he’s more reliable then most , his knowledge does come from a better understanding of medicine. I think In general he’s a decent watch but it can be a hard slog and quite depressing.

Runaways

Osborne wrote: »

Did you not see the massive gash on his leg?

Wish I was messin.
DM might be onto something. It was really bad at the time. Gonna just call the d doc I reckon

cnocbui

Fleetwoodmac wrote: »

DIY hand gel... looks straighforward to make. All ingredients easily got.

Is Vodka greater than 70% alcohol content?

CinemaGuy45

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well the HSE has issues but the staff aren't useless fookers as you say. I really really wish people having a go at the HSE would be specific as to just what part they are on about.

That does not really help our situation now does it?
The end result is the same regardless.

bottlebrush

I hear about the sign of peace (handshaking) in mass being discouraged and that holy water fonts are being drained but nothing about receiving communion. Havent been to mass in years but do many people still have the priest/lay person helper place the host in their mouth as opposed to placing it down on a tray and recipient picks it up themselves? Either way I never thought it was particularly hygienic in the first place but I hope common sense will prevail in these circumstances !

Professor Moriarty

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Comparisons with the regular influenza, for which we have effective vaccines and antiviral drugs, are indeed spurious... the mortality rate is but a fraction of what Covid 19 is causing.

The 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic in Ireland had a mortality rate of 2.6%... not that far from some of the quoted figures for the present pandemic. It was also a "new" virus, which had made the species jump from animals, to which the population had no immunity and it was droplet spread.

Much is unknown about the present virus as it has only been studied for about 2 months but IMHO the comparison with Spanish flu may be valid. Only time will tell.

A third of the world's population was infected with the Spanish Flu - 500 million people. The mortality rate worldwide was 10%. It should be understood in the context of poor hygiene and no vaccines or antibiotics.

Graces7

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

And failing that a big pot to cook the pet.

Then add cat scratch fever to your woes! A killer!

Snow Garden

cnocbui wrote: »

It's not the flu and it has a case fatality rate 7 times that of influenza. A possible death toll of 45,000,0000.

Cnocbui, I am not letting this pass.

Did you mean 45,000,000 or 450,000,000?

Runaways

Blueshoe wrote: »

The gash that wasn't there 2days ago. No I didn't see it.
Where do you live runways guy. Il come up and visit. Il bring sweets

Screenshots. Check the date. No reason to bull but thanks I got supplies just now from my pal.

**they won’t attach too big. I can email em if you want

Drumpot

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Not surprising.

It was the same in China - constantly changing the criteria. The only practical effect is to not solve any problem but to try some image rescuing by masking the problem.

Not including people who have the virus but are not sick is really incredible because they could get very sick and/or they spread it regardless.

I thought that the reason the criteria for testing changes is because at the start of the outbreak it seems like countries are only learning about the virus. According to Dr Bruce Aylward ( https://youtu.be/XF6AZv8P3i4 ) , part of the reason China changed its criteria for diagnosing and recording was because it was inadequate and they found (I think he said) CT scans more reliable.

I haven’t a clue what way Ireland tests, somebody has mentioned it I am sure but the explanation means nothing to my layman ears. All I gather is that there are various reports that different counties are testing different ways and it’s not clear how accurate these tests are because at different stages in individuals (eg temperature ) certain things might not show until later.

antodeco

MadYaker wrote: »

That’s not the advice from the HSE at all, have you even read their website?

No, that's just what they're actually doing and telling people...

CinemaGuy45

cnocbui wrote: »

Is Vodka greater than 70% alcohol content?

37.5 to 40% it's on the bottle.

creditcarder

otnomart wrote: »

Tests statistics:
South Korea: 66,652
Italy: 9,462
UK: 7,132
France: 762
United States: 445
Austria: 321
Germany ?
Ireland ?
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

Here are the statistics with the positive.

• UK: 7,132 concluded tests, of which 13 positive (0.2% positivity rate). URL="https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1232671311312363521"]source[/URL
• Italy: 9,462 tests, of which 470 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 5.0% positivity rate). URL="https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/02/22/news/coronavirus_in_italia_aggiornamento_ora_per_ora-249241616/"]source[/URL
• France: 762 tests, of which 17 positive, 179 awaiting results (at least 2.2% positivity rate). URL="https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/maladies-et-traumatismes/maladies-et-infections-respiratoires/infection-a-coronavirus/articles/covid-19-situation-epidemiologique-en-france"]source[/URL
• Austria: 321 tests, of which 2 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 0.6% positivity rate). URL="https://www.sozialministerium.at/Informationen-zum-Coronavirus/Neuartiges-Coronavirus-(2019-nCov).html"]source[/URL
• South Korea: 66,652 tests with 1766 positives 25,568 awaiting results (4.3% positivity rate). URL="https://www.cdc.go.kr/board/board.es?bid=0030"]source[/URL
• United States: 445 concluded tests, of which 14 positive (3.1% positivity rate).

dan786

dan786 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233714047801069568?s=20

I’m going through Qatar on way to Namibia next Friday

CinemaGuy45

creditcarder wrote: »

Here are the statistics with the positive.

• UK: 7,132 concluded tests, of which 13 positive (0.2% positivity rate). URL="https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1232671311312363521"]source[/URL
• Italy: 9,462 tests, of which 470 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 5.0% positivity rate). URL="https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/02/22/news/coronavirus_in_italia_aggiornamento_ora_per_ora-249241616/"]source[/URL
• France: 762 tests, of which 17 positive, 179 awaiting results (at least 2.2% positivity rate). URL="https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/maladies-et-traumatismes/maladies-et-infections-respiratoires/infection-a-coronavirus/articles/covid-19-situation-epidemiologique-en-france"]source[/URL
• Austria: 321 tests, of which 2 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 0.6% positivity rate). URL="https://www.sozialministerium.at/Informationen-zum-Coronavirus/Neuartiges-Coronavirus-(2019-nCov).html"]source[/URL
• South Korea: 66,652 tests with 1766 positives 25,568 awaiting results (4.3% positivity rate). URL="https://www.cdc.go.kr/board/board.es?bid=0030"]source[/URL
• United States: 445 concluded tests, of which 14 positive (3.1% positivity rate).

Meanwhile in Ireland

BanditLuke

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m going through Qatar on way to Namibia next Friday

I'd rather be going through Qatar than Dublin airport tbh. Dublin airport is a filthy disgrace.