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Stolen Tesla Model S (found post 168 )

  • 20-02-2020 11:20am
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    Registered Users Posts: 4,522 ✭✭✭ copeyhagen


    my 2015 model s 90d was stolen last Thursday at 1.47am

    2 lads walked down my road with a laptop bag at 1.47, drove the car off at 1.52am.
    i have the keys
    wifes car was behind mine, but we dont have garden walls so they managed to squeeze it out through the grass.
    presumably used software to boost the keyfob signal outside (both key fobs in bedroom with me)
    pulled the sim card straqight out to remove any connectivity.
    used a GPS blocker to block the signal
    car had about 300km range left on the charge.
    apparently, its the first model s to be stolen this way in ireland.. great.

    do not think these cars cannot be stolen, if you dont use pin to drive, set it up now, i didnt have it as i naively believed a car with this much technology couldnt be stolen.

    reg is 152d30285 though i imagine it was driven straight out of the Country.

    pic attached.

    Rob


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭ Nedved85


    Sorry to hear about that - Very frustrating :/


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,630 ✭✭✭ youcancallmeal


    Sorry to hear, very frustrating I'm sure. I'd also recommend one of these to keep your keyfobs in whenever you're home


  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭✭ _ned_


    Total bummer. I had 2 cars stolen in the past and it's a horrible feeling. Hope they catch the thieves.


    Seen this from Electrek:


    https://electrek.co/2019/08/22/tesla-stolen-keyfob-hack-camera-how-to-prevent-it/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Jolie Little Sandbox


    Thanks for the heads up, and sorry about the loss of your car, its happened to me and its super inconvenient and frustrating. I have enabled PIN to drive on your recommendation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,828 ✭✭✭ markpb


    What happens these cars after they have been stolen? Presumably the next time the car stops, it will complain that the key is out of range and refuse to start again.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭ zg3409


    You say last Thursday so 7 days ago?
    Where in the country roughly?
    Have you a toll tag and did you check it's history to see if they went via a toll road?

    markpb wrote: »
    What happens these cars after they have been stolen? Presumably the next time the car stops, it will complain that the key is out of range and refuse to start again.

    Typically they are stolen to order and put on the road in eastern Europe or other more dodgy countries.

    In some cases they are shipped whole and stripped for parts like 10,000 for battery and front parts used to repair a crashed model. Even if they only get 1,000 parts value they are happy as car is free to them. Can Tesla flag all the electronics modules as stolen such as doors, sensors?, and if they see them on another car alert the police?

    Really horrible act, I know a few were caught in the past doing this, some with tow trucks which won't be defeated with a PIN


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,509 ✭✭✭✭ Lumen


    markpb wrote: »
    What happens these cars after they have been stolen? Presumably the next time the car stops, it will complain that the key is out of range and refuse to start again.
    Broken for parts, I'd guess. The computers are DRMd I think (so worthless) but the batteries are quite valuable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,522 ✭✭✭ copeyhagen


    zg3409 wrote: »
    You say last Thursday so 7 days ago?
    Where in the country roughly?
    Have you a toll tag and did you check it's history to see if they went via a toll road?
    Really horrible act, I know a few were caught in the past doing this, some with tow trucks which won't be defeated with a PIN

    yes 7 days ago, got up at 4am to go airport with wife and kids and that car was gone.
    yeh toll tag was in car, checedk it and not tolls crossed. guards asked for that info straight away.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,013 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    Ah balls, hope the holiday went okay and it was not ruined


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,833 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Sorry to hear. Major inconvenience, but the insurance will sort you out.
    copeyhagen wrote: »
    (both key fobs in bedroom with me)

    Don't do that again. What do you think might have happened if they didn't get the car going with the software hack? It's well possible they would have been standing beside you and your sleeping family kindly asking for the keys...

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



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  • Registered Users Posts: 466 ✭✭ imfml


    Sorry to hear that OP. We keep our keys in these after simular happened in our estate. Detective told neighbours not to keep keys in the bedroom too. If anyone wants our cars that badly they'll find the keys at the top of the stairs and save us interacting with them

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B076KZF645?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 31,020 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ Mickeroo


    unkel wrote: »
    Sorry to hear. Major inconvenience, but the insurance will sort you out.



    Don't do that again. What do you think might have happened if they didn't get the car going with the software hack? It's well possible they would have been standing beside you and your sleeping family kindly asking for the keys...

    A lot more likely they'd have moved in to the next potential easy target tbh. Even so, I keep mine in the hall by the front door in an old biscuit tin.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭ AmberGold


    Sorry to hear that OP, saw your post over on Facebook and living in Malahide myself it was a bit close to home for comfort. Been checking the Nest cam every morning since for scrotes walking around with aerials.

    Could turn up yet, a neighbours car was taken (burglary & found keys while owners on holiday) and they got it back 3 months later. Was being driven around NI on false plates.

    Re the other comments on storage of keys I’ve yet to hear of people who’ve been woken up for the keys BTW. According to a Garda I spoke to they’re not up for that as it’s a much more serious crime with a higher risk of getting caught. He tells me the guys that actually take the car get about a grand each for the job, and its not worth doing a lenghty stretch for this amount. It seems Tesla theft is a bit more specialised I suspect they’re not getting the usual skangers to do the job.

    After reading your story last week I had a cursory glance on eBay for Tesla parts and sure enough the first thing I found was a full interior from a facelift S for sale in Lithuania. Amazing that there’s a market for this type of thing....


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,529 ✭✭✭✭ Dont be at yourself


    Just stuck on Pin to Drive there on my M3P. Also living in North County Dublin, not going to take any chances if they’re in the area.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭ Rayne Wooney


    Out of curiosity, could Tesla find the cars current location if they wanted to?


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,467 ✭✭✭✭ drunkmonkey


    Can Tesla not locate it, surley it pings off something at some stage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 72,790 ✭✭✭✭ Atlantic Dawn


    Will keep an eye out for it, lovely colour not seen that shade on one before, will stand out to me if I spot it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭ JohnC.


    Out of curiosity, could Tesla find the cars current location if they wanted to?
    Can Tesla not locate it, surley it pings off something at some stage.

    He said they removed the SIM. Would it have any other way of being in contact?


  • Registered Users Posts: 72,790 ✭✭✭✭ Atlantic Dawn


    JohnC. wrote: »
    He said they removed the SIM. Would it have any other way of being in contact?


    Possibly some tracking or record if they were connected to Tesla charging infrastructure. I heard they are able to disable charging of cars which were not repaired within the Tesla approved network so some verification must be done on each car connecting up to charge.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭ ethernet


    Sorry to hear that, OP. Hope it’s not too painful getting you back up and running.

    Had a solo scumbag with a backpack trying to steal mine recently but he moved on once he couldn’t unlock it (disabled keyless entry) and stole another around the corner.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 418 ✭✭ Lekrub


    These are high tec scumbags. How does someone make money from this? Surely 2nd hand market for batteries is pretty low.


  • Registered Users Posts: 72,790 ✭✭✭✭ Atlantic Dawn


    Lekrub wrote: »
    These are high tec scumbags. How does someone make money from this? Surely 2nd hand market for batteries is pretty low.


    The law needs to come down on car crime hard, they were able to recently introduce fines of up to €3million and/or 5 years in jail for putting the wrong shower gel down your drain...
    The Microbeads Act also makes it an offence to dispose of any substance containing microbeads by pouring it down the drain or into marine or freshwater environments.

    A person convicted of an offence under the Act could receive a fine and/or a prison sentence of up to six months.

    Conviction on indictment (after being tried before a judge and jury) may mean a fine of up to €3,000,000 and/ or a prison sentence of up to five years.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/microbeads-law-ireland-5015080-Feb2020/


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭ JohnC.


    Lekrub wrote: »
    These are high tec scumbags. How does someone make money from this? Surely 2nd hand market for batteries is pretty low.

    Lots of people use second hand batteries, either for energy storage or converting classic cars (and maybe even some not so classic) to electric. Tesla batteries seem especially popular for these purposes.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 20,990 Mod ✭✭✭✭ bk


    unkel wrote: »
    Don't do that again. What do you think might have happened if they didn't get the car going with the software hack? It's well possible they would have been standing beside you and your sleeping family kindly asking for the keys...

    I disagree. What if you activate PIN to drive? A fella standing beside your bed, with a knife to your throat, asking for your PIN?

    Of course if you are going there, that can happen to anyone, break in and make the victim give you their credit/debit cards and PIN. Probably get more money that way then a scrapped Tesla.

    But as others have said, that is a vastly more serious and dangerous crime, with higher risks, vastly more Garda attention and much longer jail time if caught.

    Of course, I'd assume anyone who can afford a Tesla, also has a decent Home Security system, ideally monitored and actually used when home. Someone trying to break in should be setting off your home alarm system and you calling the Gardai. No guarantees of course, but most won't stick around with a blaring alarm and screaming family.

    There are also other steps a person can take to make it more difficult to physically break in, via better doors, windows, locks, etc. if you are really worried about that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭ AmberGold


    Last year I read Tesla changed the signal time / range to prevent key fob relay attacks, back to the drawing board on this one.

    Also it seems Tesla have the lowest amount of cars stolen per manufacturer, a report in 2019 stated of 115 stolen in US 112 had been recovered. Obviously at this point they hadn't found how to rip out the SIM.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,996 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    Possibly some tracking or record if they were connected to Tesla charging infrastructure. I heard they are able to disable charging of cars which were not repaired within the Tesla approved network so some verification must be done on each car connecting up to charge.

    If a car is going to be broken for parts, it won't turn up on any charging infrastructure.

    I don't think softSIMs/eSIMs are supported by any network in Ireland yet but this may be required if physical SIM removal is becoming a thing - for any and all tracking systems.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 20,990 Mod ✭✭✭✭ bk


    L1011 wrote: »
    I don't think softSIMs/eSIMs are supported by any network in Ireland yet but this may be required if physical SIM removal is becoming a thing - for any and all tracking systems.

    Unfortunately GSM jammers exist and aren't difficult to get.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,299 ✭✭✭ LeBash


    High end cars are a big target. If someone robs a bank they might get 20-30k and if they get caught its 10-12 years.

    Stealing any high end car can net them similar money but they will perhaps get 6 months regardless of entering the house or not. Plus it's easier to get away with and repeat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,829 ✭✭✭ BKtje


    AmberGold wrote: »

    Also it seems Tesla have the lowest amount of cars stolen per manufacturer, a report in 2019 stated of 115 stolen in US 112 had been recovered. Obviously at this point they hadn't found how to rip out the SIM.

    Is there any reason why they don't use an e-sim?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3 ThreadWatcher


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    BKtje wrote: »
    Is there any reason why they don't use an e-sim?
    Is there any reason why you can't read the thread?
    L1011 wrote: »

    I don't think softSIMs/eSIMs are supported by any network in Ireland yet but this may be required if physical SIM removal is becoming a thing - for any and all tracking systems.


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