"None of our children on the list are getting these houses"

BanditLuke

Idbatterim wrote: »

there are people here on about twenty a year, paying 700-800 a month for a bedroom. So you can only be struggling, if in a social house? if you are in social housing, you are doing a hell of a lot better, than many working people!

People in social housing work.

Galwayguy35

Deleted User wrote: »

There are dozens of places available on CE Schemes. He could spend a few years repaying society before he retires!

EOTR says no so who are we to argue with his wisdom on the subject!

end of the road

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

EOTR says no so who are we to argue with his wisdom on the subject!

i didn't say no .
however, it is worth pondering as to whether he would actually gain anything from such a scheme if he is indeed what you are suggesting he is .
if he is what you are suggesting, then he would surely only be taking up a place that could go to someone who would actually want to be there?

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

i didn't say no .
however, it is worth pondering as to whether he would actually gain anything from such a scheme if he is indeed what you are suggesting he is .
if he is what you are suggesting, then he would surely only be taking up a place that could go to someone who would actually want to be there?

CE schemes can improve one’s self worth and self esteem. Give one a sense of pride in their communities.

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

CE schemes can improve one’s self worth and self esteem. Give one a sense of pride in their communities.

yes, however there are no guarantees.

Gatling

BanditLuke wrote: »

People in social housing work.

And pay feck all rent compared to the rest of us paying full rents while subsidising your rent and thousands of others who have decided they don't need to pay any rent and face zero consequences

We pay in two months what many people in Social housing pay in a full year give or take few hundred euros

end of the road

Gatling wrote: »

And pay feck all rent compared to the rest of us paying full rents while subsidising your rent and thousands of others who have decided they don't need to pay any rent and face zero consequences

We pay in two months what many people in Social housing pay in a full year give or take few hundred euros

that's because those in subsidized housing are unable to pay market rate rents, so have to pay lower rents, the percentage being determined by the council based on their income.

oceanman

Gatling wrote: »

And pay feck all rent compared to the rest of us paying full rents while subsidising your rent and thousands of others who have decided they don't need to pay any rent and face zero consequences

We pay in two months what many people in Social housing pay in a full year give or take few hundred euros

then why don't you try it yourself...if it seems like such a cushy life?

Eric Cartman

BanditLuke wrote: »

People in social housing work.

62% of them dont
10% only work
17% work and claim some welfare.

Gatling

oceanman wrote: »

then why don't you try it yourself...if it seems like such a cushy life?

Might be an idea ,
might be able to afford to take the kids away for a foreign holiday imagine that

end of the road

Gatling wrote: »

Might be an idea ,
might be able to afford to take the kids away for a foreign holiday imagine that

foreign holidays are over rated.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

got himself a job where?
do you think employers generally rush out to employ someone who is 62?

Yes, McDonald's and burgerking are both active in this area.

Any company that doesn't pay medical insurance and pension will take a 62 year old with a cv that shows 40 odd years of honest graft once they are capable of performing the role.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

62% of them dont
10% only work
17% work and claim some welfare.

No that can't be true, he only knows 3 families that don't.

ThunbergsAreGo

Eric Cartman wrote: »

62% of them dont
10% only work
17% work and claim some welfare.

Is this working adults only?

Pretty incredible stat - do you have a link.

Really shows the failing of the system and how it's being misused. The prioritisation methods used seem very wrong - have a sob story in the media = top of the queue

Gatling

end of the road wrote: »

i would suspect that if your ideas were viable, i would suspect they would have been tried by now, the fact that they haven't, would suggest to me that they probably aren't.

But your idea all sound like this .

No you can't

No you can't

No you can't.

At some are actually trying rather than sit in serial denial

Deebles McBeebles

oceanman wrote: »

then why don't you try it yourself...if it seems like such a cushy life?

Love this, oft-seen, post. Essentially asking why don't you sit around all day and get everything handed to you. Its almost a good question on one level.

Eric Cartman

oceanman wrote: »

then why don't you try it yourself...if it seems like such a cushy life?

You basically have to make this decision at a young age, youve to be sponging from the time youre 17-18 and basically male yourself so unnatractive to potential employers that the social leave you alone.

Its a decade long plan that starts with you putting yourself on the housing list and by the time youre 26-28 youve got the 3 bed gaf near mammy, 2 kids and the fella not officially living with you , claiming up everything and untouchable by the welfare.

Those of us who did the whole work and take care of yourself thing dont have the option to just do this.

J_1980

Only reading the thread now.
Hopefully Ireland takes in some of the new refugees from Turkey and houses them in council houses.
Absolutely disgusting racist attitude by some parts of the irish society. People fleeing war and terror should get priority over lifetime spongers.

J_1980

J_1980 wrote: »

Only reading the thread now.
Hopefully Ireland takes in some of the new refugees from Turkey and houses them in council houses.
Absolutely disgusting racist attitude by some parts of the irish society. People fleeing war and terror should get priority over lifetime spongers.

I disagree slightly. Workers should have priority.

J_1980

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I disagree slightly. Workers should have priority.

Most immigrants/refugees become workers once here

Eric Cartman

J_1980 wrote: »

Most immigrants/refugees become workers once here

Non EU migrants are overall net detractors and have much lower employment rates than native people here.

Idbatterim

end of the road wrote: »

i'm not sure i would be interested in running for politics, however pbp do seem to be somewhat realistic on this issue, just like myself.
being in dublin doesn't guarantee one a job, employers want people who meet certain criteria to take up their jobs, if you do not meet that criteria, no job. that's the moddern world.
i would suspect that you don't know that he hasn't got off his arse and looked for a job and has just had no luck. ultimately, only he knows whether that is the case or not. i certainly don't know either way, anyway.

There is this back and forth argument here about the government just enabling wasters. It flys here, it doesn’t in any other country to the same extent

AulWan

Eric Cartman wrote: »

You basically have to make this decision at a young age, youve to be sponging from the time youre 17-18 and basically male yourself so unnatractive to potential employers that the social leave you alone.

Its a decade long plan that starts with you putting yourself on the housing list and by the time youre 26-28 youve got the 3 bed gaf near mammy, 2 kids and the fella not officially living with you , claiming up everything and untouchable by the welfare.

Those of us who did the whole work and take care of yourself thing dont have the option to just do this.

I notice there is not a word of condemnation said against all the "fellas" happily going along and living in this scenario too - by the way, in case any body mistakes Eric's constant rant about women claiming benefits, please do not mistake these for single mothers. These are COUPLES claiming benefits.

If someone would like to know the actual facts about single parents, benefits, and working, please check out OneFamily.ie's facts and figures page.

ThunbergsAreGo

J_1980 wrote: »

Most immigrants/refugees become workers once here

There are already many workers here, both native and non native that would benefit from social housing

Gatling

AulWan wrote: »

I notice there is not a word of condemnation said against all the "fellas" happily going along and living in this scenario too - by the way, in case any body mistakes Eric's constant rant about women claiming benefits, please do not mistake these for single mothers. These are COUPLES claiming benefits.

But it's the girls claiming one parent family and yet go on to have child ,2,34,5 to get bunked up the housing list and gain more benefits , while denying any knowledge who the father of any of the children are despite sharing a house together and enjoying foreign holidays together ,

But wait wont someone think of of poor lone parents .

Yeah no

AulWan

Gatling wrote: »

But it's the girls claiming one parent family and yet go on to have child ,2,34,5 to get bunked up the housing list and gain more benefits , while denying any knowledge who the father of any of the children are despite sharing a house together and enjoying foreign holidays together ,

But wait wont someone think of of poor lone parents .

Yeah no

If someone makes a claim for a single parent benefit while cohabitating, the person they are cohabitating with is as complicit in any defraud of the State as the claimant is.

And don't you know that having child after child doesn't bunk you up the housing list any more? Also, the council has no interest in paternity, it is none of their business, so no need to deny who he is to any local authority.

But these are the myths that continue to abound alright, fed by sites like these, but don't bother reading the actual facts which I have linked to.

The vast, vast majority of single parents are married but seperated people or those who were unmarried but in long term relationships that have failed.

Not young wans having babies for free gaffs.

ThunbergsAreGo

AulWan wrote: »

If someone makes a claim for a single parent benefit while cohabitating, the person they are cohabitating with is as complicit in any defraud of the State as the claimant is.

And don't you know that having child after child doesn't bunk you up the housing list any more? Also, the council has no interest in paternity, it is none of their business, so no need to deny who he is to any local authority.

But these are the myths that continue to abound alright, fed by sites like these, but don't bother reading the actual facts which I have linked to.

The vast, vast majority of single parents are married but seperated people or those who were unmarried but in long term relationships that have failed.

Not young wans having babies for free gaffs.

Not true

Single women made up 44.5 per cent of one parent mothers - CSO

Gatling

AulWan wrote: »

And don't you know that having child after child doesn't bunk you up the housing list any more?

Not young wans having babies for free gaffs.

Yes and yes .

Having one child gets you a two bed property likely an apartment having two children of the same sex gets you the same aiming for the magic one boy and one girl gets you a three bed house with front and back gardens having more of each gets you 4 /5 bed depending on how many you decide the house you want and the amount of child benefit you want .

Them kids aren't all accidents unfortunately

AulWan

Gatling wrote: »

Yes and yes .

Having one child gets you a two bed property likely an apartment having two children of the same sex gets you the same aiming for the magic one boy and one girl gets you a three bed house with front and back gardens having more of each gets you 4 /5 bed depending on how many you decide the house you want and the amount of child benefit you want .

Them kids aren't all accidents unfortunately

Actually having extra kids will only put you on the waiting list for longer.

Look how that worked out for the family who this week are in the media because they have had six kids and sized themselves out of a 3 bedroom house.

Also, kids of the opposite sex are allowed share a bedroom until they are at least 10, so having one of each will not automatically get you a three bed. You can apply for a transfer when they're 10, but good luck with that.

So you know, you can actually believe what you want, but it doesn't make it true.

Gatling

AulWan wrote: »

So you know, you can actually believe what you want, but it doesn't make it true.

It is true they get the result in the end a 4evahome and feck all rent ,5 mins walk from mammies house and the shop and the school ,

Explain why so many homeless parents are living in hotels who are homeless but still having more children while stuck in a hotel or b&b .

but it's the goberments fault rite.