“Your father works for my father”

Shefwedfan

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

So we’re in agreement then?

So what’s your point? People who read the Irish Times go to private school? I don’t get it

Squidgy Black

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Wrong. Anyone cannot just join.

Yes you can. You can literally just turn up to a training session for their seniors, pay your membership fee and you're in.

How do you think they fill all their minis and underage teams?

You don't have to be an employee for Guinness or Diageo, as I said they've no affiliation at all to the company since the late 60s

v638sg7k1a92bx

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Anyone complaining about rugby or any sport really should grow up!!! Trying to bring an election into it is just as stupid. The election vote was a clear f**k you to FF/FG and the only alternative was SF, SF now have decided to make this out as some sort of revolution, they got 25% of the vote....not that impressive, get 50% and then we canntalk

If you cannot see there is a latent evident underlying class war in Ireland atm or at least many people feel that way. Rugby for many people is the epitome of some of those class differences, the private schools, the accent which didn’t exist 20 years ago, the old boys clubs.m, your father works for my father, a job in the bank, “is he a Mary’s man?”

Will Thundering Principal

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

If you cannot see there is a latent evident underlying class war in Ireland atm or at least many people feel that way.

There are people in Irish society living under genuine hardship.

But there are also no shortage of gob****s with massive chips on their shoulders. People with notions that it's something other than their own shortcomings denying them the life they believe they are due - but I can tell you it's reserved to really only the most entitled, whiny and low information members of society regardless of what 'class' they are apart of.

Class warfare. What planet are you on, jesus.

Shefwedfan

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

If you cannot see there is a latent evident underlying class war in Ireland atm or at least many people feel that way. Rugby for many people is the epitome of some of those class differences, the private schools, the accent which didn’t exist 20 years ago, the old boys clubs.m, your father works for my father, a job in the bank, “is he a Mary’s man?”

People use class war as an excuse for been lazy f**kers.

The days of people only getting jobs because they are from XYZ are long gone. We have people from India/Europe/us/Aus/Meath :-) in our company in top positions. Guys from all over Ireland. I work with companies and people from all walks of life in senior roles

The only class struggle I see is the wasters using it as an excuse not to get off ass and work hard to get up the ladder, the “ahh sure I won’t get it attitude”

Blame everyone else for their own laziness. Ireland has never been more open to working your way up from the bottom

Trying to blame rugby is just another excuse, some people need to get off their fat ass and go play if they think it will give them a step up ladder, but easier to sit on a computer and complain

sydthebeat

piplip87 wrote: »

The fact that the majority of the Irish team went to a handful of fee paying schools cannot be denied.

Are you saying that is something negative or should change??

Doesn't it make compete sense that the best players come through a system where they get the most hours of training by professional coaches?

There are only about 180 professional rugby players on the island, out of 7 million people.

Same for the teenagers who do over to England to try to forge a soccer career....

salmocab

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Mary’s up the road from Walkinstown roundabout? Guinness is a members only club and the rest is just gerrymandering.

Yes Marys is just up the road from the Walkinstown roundabout. Guinness is not a members only club you can just go down and join. Not sure why you think the rest is gerrymandering as I clearly stated where they were.

sydthebeat

piplip87 wrote: »

In many places rugby is still seen as a toffee nose sport. I remember wanting to play at a young age but not been able to as the price to pay back then was extortionate. This was a deliberate act to keep the game to the higher class people around the area.
.

If you are 10 years of age the subscription for my local soccer club is over €200

Subs for my local rugby club for the same age..... €60

mfceiling

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Mary’s up the road from Walkinstown roundabout? Guinness is a members only club and the rest is just gerrymandering.

Looks like you've been made a fool of.

Best to slink off now before spouting any more nonsense and getting caught out on it.

stephen_n

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Nonsense. Clubs all over the country? You make it sound like there is one on every corner. The reality is they are few and far between. How many are in Darndale, coolock, Walkinstown, Bluebell,

This attempt to try and completely ignore what is blatantly obvious is just an attempt to dig your heels in rather than acknowledge what is right in front of your face.

I’m willing to accept that the label “west Brit” is out dated but how can you accept that none of what other people are saying in that Rugby still has a certain class snobbery which still exists albeit to a lesser extent is true. Rather than an acknowledgement that it exists but you and others refuse to accept any merit in the accusations and try and make out as if it’s played on the same level as GAA.

Walkinstown would be Mary’s
Closest to Bluebell would be Clondalkin
Tallaght would also cover the Walkinstown area in terms of the relative density of rugby clubs.

stephen_n

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

If you cannot see there is a latent evident underlying class war in Ireland atm or at least many people feel that way. Rugby for many people is the epitome of some of those class differences, the private schools, the accent which didn’t exist 20 years ago, the old boys clubs.m, your father works for my father, a job in the bank, “is he a Mary’s man?”

That’s only because they are completely misinformed and clueless.

Will Thundering Principal

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Mary’s up the road from Walkinstown roundabout? Guinness is a members only club and the rest is just gerrymandering.

mfceiling

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

If you cannot see there is a latent evident underlying class war in Ireland atm or at least many people feel that way. Rugby for many people is the epitome of some of those class differences, the private schools, the accent which didn’t exist 20 years ago, the old boys clubs.m, your father works for my father, a job in the bank, “is he a Mary’s man?”

More shìte.

I'll give you an example. My local club in Northern Ireland (not really local cause I live in dublin but I still maintain ties there) welcome everyone regardless of background, colour, creed, sexuality or whatever.

My dad's partner in business has been involved with it all his life. He was club president recently. Guess what he does for a living?

Investment banker? Chartered accountant? Corporate solicitor?

No....he puts down concrete floors.

Nobody and I mean nobody is not welcome through those gates.

I played years ago in Northern Ireland and I enjoyed it immensely. Played with farmers, factory workers, lawyers...even "shock horror" a lad who never really worked and just flitted between jobs.

If you're that insecure about it being a sport that excludes you just go to your local club.

By the way...where do you live and maybe someone could point you in the direction or maybe have a contact to show you around the club and let you really see what is there.

Shefwedfan

Before Mr Sexton who was the Captain of Ireland?
A farmer from Northern Ireland

Not much D4 from Rory Best but that doesn’t suit the narrative for some people

sydthebeat

sydthebeat wrote: »

Are you saying that is something negative or should change??

Doesn't it make compete sense that the best players come through a system where they get the most hours of training by professional coaches?

There are only about 180 professional rugby players on the island, out of 7 million people.

Same for the teenagers who do over to England to try to forge a soccer career....

I think we are missing out on serious naturally talented players, who are not getting key coaching at teen level.

Branches do need to be more active, you see the difference in provincial schools vs club teams

Will Thundering Principal

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Wrong. Anyone cannot just join.

I did

Shefwedfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I did

Over the years I have seen multiple posts on here from people just wanting to join and never seen anyone have an issue

I know Ratoath rugby for one is our constantly trying to get new members, No entry requirement at all

If you want to play rugby you can play rugby....

Shefwedfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think we are missing out on serious naturally talented players, who are not getting key coaching at teen level.

Branches do need to be more active, you see the difference in provincial schools vs club teams

All sports miss out on talented players, in Ireland across the board we do not have an exceptional system to bring young people into senior level. GAA, Soccer, hurling, baseball, hockey, rugby etc.....because of lack of funding and then people blowing the little bit of funding given, so it is normally just parent willing to give up time

Yes rugby has a tiny few schools that have invested in fully paid professional coach’s and instead of people applauding them and seeing how it can be done in other school they point the finger and accuse.....

sydthebeat

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think we are missing out on serious naturally talented players, who are not getting key coaching at teen level.

Branches do need to be more active, you see the difference in provincial schools vs club teams

100% agreed, but nothing to do with my point.

I'm just challenging the mindset that seems to be aghast that the majority of our Irish internationals attended a fee paying school, where they got the best coaching available to them at that age.

that should not be surprising or something that is in need of change.... Obviously other pathways should be made available, and some are...

Remember that it's not so long again that connacht held open days to get into their academy....

sydthebeat

sydthebeat wrote: »

100% agreed, but nothing to do with my point.

I'm just challenging the mindset that seems to be aghast that the majority of our Irish internationals attended a fee paying school, where they got the best coaching available to them at that age.

that should not be surprising or something that is in need of change.... Obviously other pathways should be made available, and some are...

Remember that it's not so long again that connacht held open days to get into their academy....

You misunderstand me, I am not saying that the schools are in the wrong here.
I am saying that the branches are not doing enough.


Right now I am coaching U7s. People from good spread, from complete newbies to kids of former internationals. They are all the same and see it up the age groups.
Come being 12 years of age the differences in coaching will begin.
I do not know how they will fix this but the branches are the one's with the responsibility.


The branches are abdicating their training responsibilities to underfunded clubs. But that is a topic which has nothing to do with snobbery, rather a business model, and not applicable to this thread. Apologies

Neil3030

Is there any reason the Bandon model can't be copied? Presume it's been looked at?

sydthebeat

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You misunderstand me, I am not saying that the schools are in the wrong here.
I am saying that the branches are not doing enough.


Right now I am coaching U7s. People from good spread, from complete newbies to kids of former internationals. They are all the same and see it up the age groups.
Come being 12 years of age the differences in coaching will begin.
I do not know how they will fix this but the branches are the one's with the responsibility.


The branches are abdicating their training responsibilities to underfunded clubs. But that is a topic which has nothing to do with snobbery, rather a business model, and not applicable to this thread. Apologies

I know where you are coming from on this.
I've coached every age from 7s to 15s.
I'm with our clubs 11s this season, a leinster affiliated club.
At minis levels the ethos of the coaching is basically the same, "the leinster way".

We always loose some players in that change from 6th class to 1st year, where some go to rugby schools. We also lose some players at the 16 age grade where they go to rugby schools for the senior cycle. We've had players given scholarships at that age to go to the schools. Frustrating from a club point of view, but great for the players and more power to them.

Leinster have a conveyor belt of very well formed youth players coming from the schools straight intimate their academy. Some players like Andrew Porter are coming straight from school ready for Pro14 competition, which is crazy.
And leinster are swamped each season with wannabe academy prospects.

So from that point of view you'd have to question why Leinster would want, or need, to develop a club pathway to the academy. Would the economics of it make sense? The actually do have this pathway, but few players progress to full leinster professionals through it... One a year would be probably over stating it.

Leinster do good work through the areas, through competitions like the Shane horgan Cup etc. This is a good way for club players to get recognition at 16s level to be approached by schools or vise versa.
But the main pathway is still through the schools, as clubs cannot compete with the man hours involved, the professionalism of the rugby faculty within the schools and usually with the facilities as well

molloyjh

I think we've all clearly seen in this thread that there are a few people who just want to crap all over rugby. Their opinion of the game is formed on things that are entirely false. Completely, totally and utterly untrue. They havent the first clue about the game or the people who play it. They know basically nothing about what they are talking about. It's been made abundantly clear in the last few pages specifically. So I reckon we can all move on. If we met someone spouting this level of nonsense on the street we'd simply keep on walking. Let's leave the cranks to do their thing.

If anyone is reading this, has a negative perception of the game and isnt a crank, best advice I can give you is to pop down to your local club at some point to check it out. It's a sport full of people who enjoy it and love to have a bit of craic with teammates and other club members. Like pretty much every team sport. I know nobody who has spent any real time with the game who has ever felt excluded or marginalised based on where they were from or how much they earned. In truth I'm not sure I know anyone who went to a private school. I probably know a bunch, but it's not something that has ever come up in conversation. I simply havent a clue about that kind of thing because, unless you're talking schools rugby, theres no reason for it to come up.

Most involved in the game are just normal, decent people who love the game. End of. If you dont want to recognise that then dont. You can keep on spouting your misinformed garbage to your hearts content. If you're open to seeing a different side, give it a go. You might find yourself enjoying it as much as some of us here.

dregin

stephen_n wrote: »

Walkinstown would be Mary’s
Closest to Bluebell would be Clondalkin
Tallaght would also cover the Walkinstown area in terms of the relative density of rugby clubs.

Guinness are also close to both. What club isn't members only? Fairly sure insurance stipulates that all players must be members (and so paying insurance premiums (

dregin

dregin wrote: »

Guinness are also close to both. What club isn't members only? Fairly sure insurance stipulates that all players must be members (and so paying insurance premiums (

Generations ago Guinness teams were only open to workers. That's what they mean, I think.



Been an open club, to join, for decades now

jacothelad

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Nonsense. Clubs all over the country? You make it sound like there is one on every corner. The reality is they are few and far between. How many are in Darndale, coolock, Walkinstown, Bluebell,

This attempt to try and completely ignore what is blatantly obvious is just an attempt to dig your heels in rather than acknowledge what is right in front of your face.

I’m willing to accept that the label “west Brit” is out dated but how can you accept that none of what other people are saying in that Rugby still has a certain class snobbery which still exists albeit to a lesser extent is true. Rather than an acknowledgement that it exists but you and others refuse to accept any merit in the accusations and try and make out as if it’s played on the same level as GAA.

If the people of these places are too lazy to start their own clubs whose fault is that?

v638sg7k1a92bx

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Yes you can. You can literally just turn up to a training session for their seniors, pay your membership fee and you're in.

How do you think they fill all their minis and underage teams?

You don't have to be an employee for Guinness or Diageo, as I said they've no affiliation at all to the company since the late 60s

Sorry but you’re totally wrong.

v638sg7k1a92bx

jacothelad wrote: »

If the people of these places are too lazy to start their own clubs whose fault is that?

Thank you. You’ve just highlighted the blatant snobbery within Irish rugby.

v638sg7k1a92bx

mfceiling wrote: »

More shìte.

I'll give you an example. My local club in Northern Ireland (not really local cause I live in dublin but I still maintain ties there) welcome everyone regardless of background, colour, creed, sexuality or whatever.

My dad's partner in business has been involved with it all his life. He was club president recently. Guess what he does for a living?

Investment banker? Chartered accountant? Corporate solicitor?

No....he puts down concrete floors.

Nobody and I mean nobody is not welcome through those gates.

I played years ago in Northern Ireland and I enjoyed it immensely. Played with farmers, factory workers, lawyers...even "shock horror" a lad who never really worked and just flitted between jobs.

If you're that insecure about it being a sport that excludes you just go to your local club.

By the way...where do you live and maybe someone could point you in the direction or maybe have a contact to show you around the local club and let you really see what is there.

Are you a Mary’s man?

stephen_n

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Sorry but you’re totally wrong.

No it’s not, it’s actually the truth. You clearly haven’t the first idea what you are talking about. As has been well evidenced in most of your posts.

FFS I literally rocked up in 2005 and played 2 seasons, with Guinness.

Shefwedfan

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Thank you. You’ve just highlighted the blatant snobbery within Irish rugby.

You have an agenda since the original post. At this stage it’s shiny through, it’s just a rant against rugby and you have nothing to back it up

As I posted rugby clubs starting all over the country and people can walk in and join, no snobbery or anything.

But keep on going, you might get a rise out of someone....

Quin_Dub

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Nonsense. Clubs all over the country? You make it sound like there is one on every corner. The reality is they are few and far between. How many are in Darndale, coolock, Walkinstown, Bluebell,

This attempt to try and completely ignore what is blatantly obvious is just an attempt to dig your heels in rather than acknowledge what is right in front of your face.

I’m willing to accept that the label “west Brit” is out dated but how can you accept that none of what other people are saying in that Rugby still has a certain class snobbery which still exists albeit to a lesser extent is true. Rather than an acknowledgement that it exists but you and others refuse to accept any merit in the accusations and try and make out as if it’s played on the same level as GAA.

Grew up in Coolock , played for Suttonians as a kid.

Other Northside clubs - There's Aer Lingus , no longer just for employees , open to all , Malahide RFC , Clontarf , and a bit further out you have Skerries as well.

Others have covered Walkinstown & Tallaght..

Just because there are "less" rugby clubs than soccer or GAA doesn't make them "Elite" it just make them smaller or less popular sports.

molloyjh

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Sorry but you’re totally wrong.

Ah will you stop embarrassing yourself with this nonsense. We get it, you have a problem with rugby. Thing is, that's your problem. You can get all pissed off, wound up and indignant all you like. You're still completely clueless and only having a negative effect on yourself. You're not making anyone else dislike it. You dont have a point. You dont have a clue. And coming onto a forum full of people who do just makes you look a total eejit. Quit while you're miles behind because you're only going one direction here.

The Lost Sheep

Deleted User wrote: »

Northside of Cork City is still a barren wasteland to rugby, unfortunately.

yes theres only old Christian's but huge numbers playing for many clubs on south side of city. Far from an issue.

piplip87 wrote: »

In many places rugby is still seen as a toffee nose sport. I remember wanting to play at a young age but not been able to as the price to pay back then was extortionate. This was a deliberate act to keep the game to the higher class people around the area.

Now the game is more open around these parts, it will be 10-15 years before the benefits are seen on the national stage though.

The fact that the majority of the Irish team went to a handful of fee paying schools cannot be denied.

many who have played on Irish team did go to fer paying schools in some areas but numbers from other areas are improving and quite often players are regarded as schools players when they only spent one or two years in one of the fer paying schools.
It's only people with no real experience of rugby ie being involved in the sport who see it as a "toffee nose sport"
Of course it will be 10 or so years for change to really show. Even now compared to what it was in early 2000s it's much better.

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Definitely the case and I witnessed it first hand in my younger years. You were shut out if you weren’t of a certain status. It’s easing a bit now but it’s definitely as bad as it ever was in Leinster and Northern Ireland, the latter where you have to be a certain religion and allegiance even regardless of money (though wine you’ve two young British boys in Ulster, money and status wins too).

dont know about that and far from my experience of the case. It's nowhere near as bad as it ever was in leinster or Ulster. Ulster refs have brought their primary event of the year the refs dinner to republic of Ireland which would have never have happened a few years ago.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

For some reason it seems the success of the rugby team has caused a massive amount of upset for some of the other sports in Ireland

I don’t seem to remember the same happening when the soccer team was doing good. I didn’t see rugby fans posting with glee at every failure of the team

because you only have to look at some of the media coverage of leinster/ireland/schools rugby at times and you can see why some feel annoyed by the sport...
They just feel when so many come from a background they will never be part of the team doesnt represent them which isnt the case with soccer.

At the moment rugby has probably branched out to more areas of the country than ever before but instead of congratulating the irfu it seems people are transfixed on a couple of schools in Dublin.

If it was 20 years ago would the likes of Furlong, SOB etc and all those other players had the chances to play rugby? Not a chance

they'd have a chance to play rugby all right but not to a high level most likely. Turning pro has been the best thing that could ever have happened to Irish rugby as meant irfu really had to get finger out and properly develop the sport more.

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Nonsense. Clubs all over the country? You make it sound like there is one on every corner. The reality is they are few and far between. How many are in Darndale, coolock, Walkinstown, Bluebell,

This attempt to try and completely ignore what is blatantly obvious is just an attempt to dig your heels in rather than acknowledge what is right in front of your face.

yes clubs all over. Nobody is saying there is anywhere near as many clubs as the other largest sports but number of clubs and number of teams especially underage is far far higher than it has ever been before.

I’m willing to accept that the label “west Brit” is out dated but how can you accept that none of what other people are saying in that Rugby still has a certain class snobbery which still exists albeit to a lesser extent is true. Rather than an acknowledgement that it exists but you and others refuse to accept any merit in the accusations and try and make out as if it’s played on the same level as GAA.

it only exists for people who want it to who refuse to accept or acknowledge any of the work the irfu and clubs have done to expand the sports base.

Deleted User wrote: »

I think we are missing out on serious naturally talented players, who are not getting key coaching at teen level.

Branches do need to be more active, you see the difference in provincial schools vs club teams

we are and branches are doing a lot but it takes a lot of time. What difference between provincial teams? Munster clubs team will be as good as schools side most years these days. Lwinster and Ulster wont but what more do you want provinces to do that they already are not?

Shefwedfan wrote: »

All sports miss out on talented players, in Ireland across the board we do not have an exceptional system to bring young people into senior level. GAA, Soccer, hurling, baseball, hockey, rugby etc.....because of lack of funding and then people blowing the little bit of funding given, so it is normally just parent willing to give up time

Yes rugby has a tiny few schools that have invested in fully paid professional coach’s and instead of people applauding them and seeing how it can be done in other school they point the finger and accuse.....

it cant be done in other schools because they wont have the money to support coaches etc that this small number of schools can. All sports everywhere do miss out on people but rugby doesnt help itself with how its structured at underage. We even miss out on so many from within the schools system because of its structures and lack of any links to clubs so guys in schools who might show up at 18 but could go up grades and star as an adult but fall out of the sport all too easily as they start 3rd level/start working.

sydthebeat wrote: »

100% agreed, but nothing to do with my point.

I'm just challenging the mindset that seems to be aghast that the majority of our Irish internationals attended a fee paying school, where they got the best coaching available to them at that age.

that should not be surprising or something that is in need of change.... Obviously other pathways should be made available, and some are...

Remember that it's not so long again that connacht held open days to get into their academy....

did connacht not just have open days for age grade sides as in their u19 interpro side. It wasnt opendays for the academy.
It is very much an issue that so many pros do come from the fee paying schools because you can be a talented rugby player but because your parents cant afford to spend 4/5/6k a year on fres to attend a certain school then you are less likely to play pro. Look at all the clubs in Dublin and how few field underage sides from 13-18?

Deleted User wrote: »

You misunderstand me, I am not saying that the schools are in the wrong here.
I am saying that the branches are not doing enough

what specifically would you want provinces to do?

Right now I am coaching U7s. People from good spread, from complete newbies to kids of former internationals. They are all the same and see it up the age groups.
Come being 12 years of age the differences in coaching will begin.
I do not know how they will fix this but the branches are the one's with the responsibility.

they are doing plenty to help those not in rugby schools and competitions have improved. Best club players training and playing more against the best sides so players are getting more chances to progress.

The branches are abdicating their training responsibilities to underfunded clubs. But that is a topic which has nothing to do with snobbery, rather a business model, and not applicable to this thread. Apologies

abdication of responsibilities is bit harsh.

Neil3030 wrote: »

Is there any reason the Bandon model can't be copied? Presume it's been looked at?

because not all areas have a fee paying school nearby and someone who has connections to a pro coach who happened to be interested in a career break from coaching pro rugby for a short while

sydthebeat wrote: »

I know where you are coming from on this.
I've coached every age from 7s to 15s.
I'm with our clubs 11s this season, a leinster affiliated club.
At minis levels the ethos of the coaching is basically the same, "the leinster way".

We always loose some players in that change from 6th class to 1st year, where some go to rugby schools. We also lose some players at the 16 age grade where they go to rugby schools for the senior cycle. We've had players given scholarships at that age to go to the schools. Frustrating from a club point of view, but great for the players and more power to them.

Leinster have a conveyor belt of very well formed youth players coming from the schools straight intimate their academy. Some players like Andrew Porter are coming straight from school ready for Pro14 competition, which is crazy.
And leinster are swamped each season with wannabe academy prospects.

So from that point of view you'd have to question why Leinster would want, or need, to develop a club pathway to the academy. Would the economics of it make sense? The actually do have this pathway, but few players progress to full leinster professionals through it... One a year would be probably over stating it.

Leinster do good work through the areas, through competitions like the Shane horgan Cup etc. This is a good way for club players to get recognition at 16s level to be approached by schools or vise versa.
But the main pathway is still through the schools, as clubs cannot compete with the man hours involved, the professionalism of the rugby faculty within the schools and usually with the facilities as well

yes but think that's a real silly viewpoint re thinking leinster wouldnt want for any reason not to develop clubs more. Main pathway always will be schools. That will never change but clubs will keep improving and so many clubs from around the province going senior will help a lot as well as more senior clubs should see better coaching standards at adult level that ideally can filter down to age grade sides within properly managed clubs.

dregin wrote: »

Guinness are also close to both. What club isn't members only? Fairly sure insurance stipulates that all players must be members (and so paying insurance premiums (

you can have closed clubs though where you have to be working somewhere to join the club. Like some of the old boy clubs ie Mary's, wesley etc. Didnt some of these clubs membership only be available to past pupils of that school...

stephen_n

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Grew up in Coolock , played for Suttonians as a kid.

Other Northside clubs - There's Aer Lingus , no longer just for employees , open to all , Malahide RFC , Clontarf , and a bit further out you have Skerries as well.

Others have covered Walkinstown & Tallaght..

Just because there are "less" rugby clubs than soccer or GAA doesn't make them "Elite" it just make them smaller or less popular sports.

There’s also swords as well now.

Neil3030

Deleted User wrote: »

FFS I literally rocked up in 2005 and played 2 seasons, with Guinness.

It was all a dream, Cork_exile. Was Bobby Ewing in the changing room at any point?

The Lost Sheep

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

yes theres only old Christian's but huge numbers playing for many clubs on south side of city. Far from an issue.

Old Christians is not Northside Cork City, It's between Mayfield and Glanmire, I could drive from my parent house to Sunday's Well quicker.


The main options, for kids from Northside, is Dolphin/Sunday's Well.
Funny as both have links with Northside with the Well founded (obviously) from Sunday's Well and Dolphin Swimming club having ties in Churchfield and Mayfield Pools.


The number 203 bus runs right past Musgrave from Farranree/Fairhill.
Sill it was an hour each way, in the late 90's for 17 year old me to get to training. Not much better nowdays there.


Con is a bitch to get to on Public Transport from NS. 202 goes close-ish.


Same timeline if you get the bus to ModelFarm Rd for Highfield.


It's easy enough for the Saturday minis but once you hit the mid week training, becomes an issue for parents to get them there.

The Lost Sheep

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

what specifically would you want provinces to do?
they are doing plenty to help those not in rugby schools and competitions have improved. Best club players training and playing more against the best sides so players are getting more chances to progress.

abdication of responsibilities is bit harsh.


you can have closed clubs though where you have to be working somewhere to join the club. Like some of the old boy clubs ie Mary's, wesley etc. Didnt some of these clubs membership only be available to past pupils of that school...

What can the branches do?
Better coaching opportunities. I've been assessed that one time in Mary's, that's it. Never had more than the one session to get certified.
I know if I wanted to rank up past level 1 I would go do another course but what then?


And even that was directed at the adult teams. Coached 3 years and nothing more, from the branch.
Have had nothing from Munster around coaching the kids.



How hard would it be to have a high performance coach doing the rounds of the clubs, specifically focused on the coaching standard of the 10s and up categories?


Oh and Mary's is certainly not a closed shop. Not when I joined in 2007 and not for a long time before that AFAIK

The Lost Sheep

Deleted User wrote: »

What can the branches do?
Better coaching opportunities. I've been assessed that one time in Mary's, that's it. Never had more than the one session to get certified.
I know if I wanted to rank up past level 1 I would go do another course but what then?

you continue to coach and ask for development staff to do workshops with you and your team. You work with the youth officer in your club and other coaches in your club and see how you can learn from each other to develop as a coach.

And even that was directed at the adult teams. Coached 3 years and nothing more, from the branch.
Have had nothing from Munster around coaching the kids.

How hard would it be to have a high performance coach doing the rounds of the clubs, specifically focused on the coaching standard of the 10s and up categories?

did you ever contact any of the development officers from Munster rugby about further coaching development sessions? The various development officers already are in that role assisting the coaching of underage and any other sides that want assistance

Oh and Mary's is certainly not a closed shop. Not when I joined in 2007 and not for a long time before that AFAIK

some of those clubs were closed. Havent been for a while but some of them were originally.
There is development officers going round clubs working with coaches on top of going into schools to bring the sport to more people.
Some of the old boy clubs used to be closed is what I said. Didnt say they still were.

The Lost Sheep

Deleted User wrote: »

What can the branches do?
Better coaching opportunities. I've been assessed that one time in Mary's, that's it. Never had more than the one session to get certified.
I know if I wanted to rank up past level 1 I would go do another course but what then?

you continue to coach and ask for development staff to do workshops with you and your team. You work with the youth officer in your club and other coaches in your club and see how you can learn from each other to develop as a coach.

And even that was directed at the adult teams. Coached 3 years and nothing more, from the branch.
Have had nothing from Munster around coaching the kids.

How hard would it be to have a high performance coach doing the rounds of the clubs, specifically focused on the coaching standard of the 10s and up categories?

did you ever contact any of the development officers from Munster rugby about further coaching development sessions? The various development officers already are in that role assisting the coaching of underage and any other sides that want assistance

Oh and Mary's is certainly not a closed shop. Not when I joined in 2007 and not for a long time before that AFAIK

some of those clubs were closed. Havent been for a while but some of them were originally.
There is development officers going round clubs working with coaches on top of going into schools to bring the sport to more people.
Some of the old boy clubs used to be closed is what I said. Didnt say they still were.

v638sg7k1a92bx

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FFS I literally rocked up in 2005 and played 2 seasons, with Guinness.

Oh please, everyone referring to Guinness as if it’s the bastion of Irish rugby. Take the marginal case and use it as the broad argument as if rugby was played in every working class school all over Dublin.

Will Thundering Principal

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Oh please, everyone referring to Guinness as if it’s the bastion of Irish rugby. Take the marginal case and use it as the broad argument as if rugby was played in every working class school all over Dublin.

You're the one who said that Guinness was a closed shop.
I played there and in St. Mary's, after moving to Dublin. Never had any issues in either.



Now let's talk about Tallaght or Clondalkin?




Strange that working class raised lad me never seemed to get put in my place.

Dave_The_Sheep

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Take the marginal case and use it as the broad argument

Self-awareness isn't your strong point, is it?

Neil3030

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Oh please, everyone referring to Guinness as if it’s the bastion of Irish rugby. Take the marginal case and use it as the broad argument as if rugby was played in every working class school all over Dublin.

Given the alacrity with which you move goalposts, any rugby club in Ireland would welcome you with open arms.

mfceiling

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Are you a Mary’s man?

No.

Have been there to watch the odd game though. Also been to Terenure, Old Wesley and Lansdowne to games.

No affiliation and no snobbery either.

sydthebeat

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Oh please, everyone referring to Guinness as if it’s the bastion of Irish rugby. Take the marginal case and use it as the broad argument as if rugby was played in every working class school all over Dublin.

Haha.... Completely laughable at this stage

salmocab

Will Thundering Principal wrote: »

Oh please, everyone referring to Guinness as if it’s the bastion of Irish rugby. Take the marginal case and use it as the broad argument as if rugby was played in every working class school all over Dublin.

Guinness was mentioned by me in passing your the one who tried to tell everyone about its membership policy and due to your spoofing it became talked about. Again you’ve been found to not have a clue what your waffling about. You hate rugby we get it, I dislike basketball but wouldn’t be as stupid as to head to the basketball thread and inform the people there that it’s for the tall elite.

pwurple

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Con is a bitch to get to on Public Transport from NS. 202 goes close-ish..

Yup, In general public transport is a pain (especially as there are no maps available!)

But in case you don’t know, the 215 goes within 100m of Con. Comes from commons road direction on the north side.

pwurple

pwurple wrote: »

Yup, In general public transport is a pain (especially as there are no maps available!)

But in case you don’t know, the 215 goes within 100m of Con. Comes from commons road direction on the north side.

Ha I actually didn't. Been a long time since I got the bus to training, even then you're back to the mental commute for a teen to go training