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Last of the Summer Wine

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Murph_D wrote: »
    Why breathing? Are you linking it to the heaves? Intrigued! I’ll try anything.

    Honestly, this is probably more of an S&C question... just to confuse it more :p

    When we fatigue our posture and form goes to crap. The better your core strength, the better it holds up. Think about your posture breaking down (think falling back to your heels, starting to lean, arms flailing etc..) you constrict your lungs when they need the most room. I mentioned on DGs log that I was dreaming about running around a track last night as I had watched Michael Johnson clips recently. It was always so pronounced that his body and head were tall and solid while his legs and arms churned.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Honestly, this is probably more of an S&C question... just to confuse it more :p

    When we fatigue our posture and form goes to crap. The better your core strength, the better it holds up. Think about your posture breaking down (think falling back to your heels, starting to lean, arms flailing etc..) you constrict your lungs when they need the most room. I mentioned on DGs log that I was dreaming about running around a track last night as I had watched Michael Johnson clips recently. It was always so pronounced that his body and head were tall and solid while his legs and arms churned.

    Well OK, wouldn’t disagree with any of that, and I’m not a dedicated S&C person, but now I’m intrigued about how you can make the diagnosis without at least seeing the form. Is it somehow inferable from something I’ve posted?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Murph_D wrote: »
    Well OK, wouldn’t disagree with any of that, and I’m not a dedicated S&C person, but now I’m intrigued about how you can make the diagnosis without at least seeing the form. Is it somehow inferable from something I’ve posted?

    More of my own experience of being an asthmatic and starting to wheeze. I've found that finding a rhythm with breathing and cadence really helps. When I'm fatigued and lose it I often take one or 2 deep breaths to reset. The act of taking the deep breath pushes my chest out and straightens me up. I'm only suggesting it as something to try out.

    Inference no. Just when you mentioned you invariable take your pace back a notch and it calms down. Effectively you are relaxing your system. A deep breath literally does the same thing. It tells your brain all is ok and nothing wrong with an bolus of oxygen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Week of 26th April

    At the beginning of the week I was feeling a bit concerned about the less-than-stellar TT. Then a question from ReeReeG reminded me that the week before my first sub-20 5k, I’d done a disappointing 20:40 parkrun, before knocking 53 seconds off it the next time out. Not promising anything, however!

    Chatting with lads after, it was pointed out that my drive towards the line in the final section was not very evident - not enough leg lift, arm pumping etc. Hill strides were recommended. That will have to go back on the rotation.

    Shotgun’s point about breathing gave me some pause for thought. Could deep breaths help stave off the heaves? Are deeper breaths even possible? Something to try out in future for sure.

    Ferris shot some video from his bike while trundling around behind me. I wonder does it tell anything - the first clip is seven minutes into lap one, during the second km, still feeling relatively in control, HR around 179 (88% HRR). The second clip video is 15 mins in, fourth km, and I’ve been detonating now for a while (HR here around 186 or 93%)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSV1N5FQpL4

    To be honest I can’t detect much difference, apart from slowing down. :p Watching this afterwards, I was quite aghast at how slow 4min/k pace looks - even though internally you know you’re on the edge from the beginning. Maybe it’s a good thing (for next time) that the outward appearance seems so relaxed - I’m not sure.

    HRR only reached 188 (94%) towards the end, by the way so there was a bit more in the tank for sure. Or maybe my max is declining, could be time to calibrate a few beats downwards.

    ________


    Mon 26 Apr

    Rest day.

    Tue 27 Apr

    11.3k easy @ 5:34 (no HRM)

    Tour of Clontarf, St. Anne’s and Killester. Legs feeling sprightly enough, even if I amn’t.

    Wed 28 Apr

    9.42k easy/steady (no HRM)

    I had thoughts of doing a session. But after a morning and half the afternoon of painting I decided to give myself a break and headed up to Marino, switching between easy and steady pace each kilometre. The steady felt OK, as long as it was downhill. :) I’m not really feeling the grá at the moment, it must be said.

    Thu 29 Apr

    Diagonals (2 sets of 10)

    Over to Fairview Park for an old-school session, running diagonals on one of the football pitches. I was competing for space with a couple of other people doing workouts, and it’s amazing how much of the pitch you take up doing diagonals in opposite directions, so I switched to one of the GAA pitches for the second set. Ended up running sidelines by the end, as more people gathered for GAA training. This was fun though - enjoyed that the session had nothing to do with the watch. 9.3 kms total.

    Fri 30 Apr

    No running.

    April total: 233 kms (145 mi) - quite low this month. Took a few extra days off and the LRs were on the short side.

    Sat 1 May

    16.1k @ 5:12 (HRR 78%)

    Finally starting to feel the love - thoroughly enjoyed this steady-paced 10 miles on hilly Donegal back roads between Killybegs and Dunkineely. Was wearing the Endorphin Speeds for the first time in a bit and they feel great on this kind of run, a nice bit of pop on the uphills was welcome!

    Sun 2 May

    11.4k easy on the local loop. Another gorgeous morning. Just a nice easy run enjoying the sights and sounds.

    This week: 58k (36m) / 316 mins
    This month: 28 (17)
    This year: 1,166 (725)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Murph_D wrote: »

    Ferris shot some video from his bike

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSV1N5FQpL4

    I was quite aghast at how slow 4min/k pace looks -

    Console yourself - You are in good company - When you watch the elites, it never seems like they are running 5 min mile pace.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Console yourself - You are in good company - When you watch the elites, it never seems like they are running 5 min mile pace.

    Ha ha, you're right. One reason 4 min/k looks slow is because it IS slow. :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Are you using you full lung capacity to breath?

    I was breathing mainly using the top half of my lungs and not using my diaphragm properly to dispel air.

    For me it made a huge difference to my form and breathing capacity

    TbL


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Are you using you full lung capacity to breath?

    I was breathing mainly using the top half of my lungs and not using my diaphragm properly to dispel air.

    For me it made a huge difference to my form and breathing capacity

    TbL

    The short answer is, I don't know! How did you make the adjustment?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Murph_D wrote: »
    Ha ha, you're right. One reason 4 min/k looks slow is because it IS slow. :pac:

    :pac: I remember looking at some of the video from the gantry cams in DCM...my fast finishing 7:10 min mile pace looked a small step above walking pace :o


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Murph_D wrote: »
    The short answer is, I don't know! How did you make the adjustment?

    I’d someone show me how to do it.

    Not very helpful, I’ll see if I can find a link that demonstrates

    TbL


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Yoga is a big help with deeper / diaphragm breathing. You could learn what it feels like non running before you start when running. Lying down, place one hand on your belly, the other on your chest. Take a deep breath in, your stomach should rise first, then your chest. Fill your ribs from left to right with air and that's where the diaphragm is engaged.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Thanks AM - I'm kind of familiar with that kind of technique from pilates, but if there are any specific running-related techniques I'd be interested in knowing. Plus I'll do some research anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭ReeReeG


    I like the new spelling of my username :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    ReeReeG wrote: »
    I like the new spelling of my username :p

    :o

    It's all those Es. Confusing. Edited!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭ReeReeG


    Murph_D wrote: »
    :o

    It's all those Es. Confusing. Edited!

    No I really did like it though and was a little bit raging I didn't think of it :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    ReeReeG wrote: »
    No I really did like it though and was a little bit raging I didn't think of it :pac:

    :pac:

    It’s all yours - I think all you have to do is take a paid membership for a month (used to cost a tenner I think) and you are allowed change your username.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Murph_D wrote: »
    :pac:

    It’s all yours - I think all you have to do is take a paid membership for a month (used to cost a tenner I think) and you are allowed change your username.

    Yep - its how I became Sweatlicker for a month :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    This week, back to just ticking over. And another pacing gig…

    Mon May 3

    Rest day.

    Tue May 4

    10.8k easy @ 5:37 (no HRM)

    An earlier than usual few miles after dropping the car to be repaired.

    Wed May 5

    10k easy @ 5:26 (no HRM)

    Dropped the boy to the GAA and headed out the coast for a pleasant few evening miles - pleasant, that is, after warming up, which took a while. It was bleedin' freezing!

    Thu May 6

    6.4k easy @ 5:41

    There are some things I can never bring myself to throw out, so when a friend bought some vintage hi-fi gear I was delighted to have a home for some high quality cables from my own long-dismantled setup. Dropped them over to Rathfarnham, which presented the opportunity for a first ever run in the magnificent Marlay Park. Shwanky!

    This week: 27k (17m)
    This month: 55 (34)
    This year: 1,194 (742)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    You probably run with a Sony Walkman (Google it kids) :)

    TbL


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    You probably run with a Sony Walkman (Google it kids) :)

    TbL

    My only ever (cassette) ‘Walkman’ was a Sanyo. And it got robbed!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Murph_D wrote: »
    My only ever (cassette) ‘Walkman’ was a Sanyo. And it got robbed!

    Jazus there’s a coincidence, I got years of pleasure outta a Sanyo I “found” in Dublin...:)

    TbL


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    It did disappear suspiciously close to the bogger bus station. :) :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Fri May 7

    9.9k inc 5k @ ~MP

    The irrepressible aquinn, who sadly doesn’t grace the forum as much as she used to, had a 5k TT on, and I volunteered to pace. It’s been a while since I’ve run with A so I consulted with some of her impressive support team, who are knowledgeable about these things, and the feeling was that the 24-min target was a good bit on the pessimistic side.

    It was a fabulous morning in St. Anne’s and we set off a little under 24 pace. While A was keeping quiet and concentrating admirably on the job at hand, it was apparent after the difficult third km that there was plenty of power under the hood, so the pace was consolidated on the ‘back straight’ and then unleashed in the final km, helped by the slight breeze, forgiving grade and generally go-faster qualities of the long finishing straight on the parkrun course. 22:59, a super result for the pacee and her delighted entourage. :)

    Another slow lap of the course to cool down, and a coffee on the grass.

    Sat May 8

    10k easy

    A lap of St Annes and a couple of miles on the coast with Ferris and DD.

    Sun May 9

    LR 23.6k @ 5:38

    Across town to UCD and a lap of the campus on the trails. If you’ve run it you’ll know t’s a beautiful path but easily lost when you come out of the trees. This time I found a few more parts, but I still keep missing a few bits around Roebuck Rd and Fosters Ave. It’s a labyrinth in there!

    This week: 71k (44m) / 451 mins
    This month: 98 (61)
    This year: 1,1237 (769)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭ReeReeG


    Murph_D wrote:
    Across town to UCD and a lap of the campus on the trails. If you’ve run it you’ll know t’s a beautiful path but easily lost when you come out of the trees. This time I found a few more parts, but I still keep missing a few bits around Roebuck Rd and Fosters Ave. It’s a labyrinth in there!

    I've been in there many many times the last year and I don't think I've ever done the same route twice when the trails are involved!


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    ReeReeG wrote: »
    I've been in there many many times the last year and I don't think I've ever done the same route twice when the trails are involved!

    Doesn’t help either that a few of the campus maps posted around the place are missing the crucial ‘You Are Here’ sign. :rolleyes:

    Good to see that work has started on the new track. Hopefully that will be reasonably accessible to the general runner when it’s completed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,179 ✭✭✭crisco10


    It's a class track alright, but it is literally a labyrinth. I remember being very happy at finally navigating a full loop on the yellow path; only for it to be re-routed due to construction work in the weeks that followed! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    crisco10 wrote: »
    It's a class track alright, but it is literally a labyrinth. I remember being very happy at finally navigating a full loop on the yellow path; only for it to be re-routed due to construction work in the weeks that followed! :rolleyes:

    Is the yellow path the one that’s marked purple on the campus maps (“forest walk”)? It’s all very confusing! It is amazing how wooded those paths are, considering there isn’t really a huge amount of tree cover on the campus - but they certainly make the most of it with the trails. A UCD parkrun would be very attractive!

    And yes, the construction certainly throws it off. Every time I visit there are parts either closed off or opened up. And I discovered a route through to Beech Hill, which makes for a more direct route to and from the Dodder if you’re coming from my direction (unless the literally ‘hole in the wall’ entrance near the hockey pitches gets closed off).


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,179 ✭✭✭crisco10


    Murph_D wrote: »
    Is the yellow path the one that’s marked purple on the campus maps (“forest walk”)? It’s all very confusing! It is amazing how wooded those paths are, considering there isn’t really a huge amount of tree cover on the campus - but they certainly make the most of it with the trails. A UCD parkrun would be very attractive!

    And yes, the construction certainly throws it off. Every time I visit there are parts either closed off or opened up. And I discovered a route through to Beech Hill, which makes for a more direct route to and from the Dodder if you’re coming from my direction (unless the literally ‘hole in the wall’ entrance near the hockey pitches gets closed off).

    I dont know, I'm referring to the "Boundary Walk" in this PDF on UCD page. I'd make it a little longer by doing the loop up to Roebuck Castle too.

    Know the hole in the wall well too, it's an essential gap if you want to do the "Tour de Stade" of the Southside along the dodder. Aviva -> RDS -> Donnybrook -> Belfield Bowl.

    There is also a gate opposite at the Paddy Power offices (in the BeechPark Office Park) that goes onto the back of the AstroCages - fyi.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Useful to know - I’ll have to imprint that map in my memory the next time I’m over there. I’ve found most of that boundary path but keep missing the bit in the SE corner, between Fosters Ave and the old running track.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,427 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Week of 10 May

    This week, a highlight would have been a return to club training. I’d contacted one of the coaches and booked in to one of the training groups, but as it happens I won’t be able to make it as it clashes with first vaccination dose (Astra Zeneca, bring it on!) So a solo track session ahead. The running has been a bit defocused now for a good few weeks, but I’m hopeful that I’ll get in some sort of shape before the end of the year is out.

    Mon May 10

    8.7k recovery in St. Anne’s during kids GAA. Part of this with DD who was looking suitably bonked after doing a first session in a while. I was feeling pretty lethargic myself - laboured. But at least I avoided the rain, which bucketed down just when I got into the car, to wait for the kids, who didn’t mind the soaking in the slightest.

    Tue May 11

    7.7k recovery @ 5:51

    Another slow one around the various Marino sights. Not ejected from the Marino Institute, despite hearing that they are clamping down on visitors. St. Vincent’s GAA had the mowers out. Casino has the builders in. I'm aware that a lot of my easy runs are incredibly easy indeed, to the point that they may be bordering on ineffective, but I'm going with it for now.

    Wed May 12

    Track: 12 x 400 (75s standing recovery)

    Had an email during the week that the TCD track is open again for any individuals and groups lucky enough to have access. As I couldn’t make the club session I headed over and immediately noticed the “No Entry to the Playing Fields” sign. Technically I suppose the track is around the playing field, although it definitely encroaches. I was ignored by the two groundsmen working nearby, so happy days.

    Just tried to do the 400m repeats at 3-5k pace, focusing on form and turnover. Probably looked like an old bag of bones rolling around but it felt good to me - looking forward to more of this kind of workout over the coming months, and some hill sprints of course, if I can wait for Ferris and FBOT to emerge from semi-permanent injury, ;)

    This week: 30k (19m)
    This month: 128 (80)
    This year: 1,1267 (787)


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