GE Exit Poll 10 pm

Eric Cartman

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The only people who got more while FG were in power was the "most vulnerable"

Ask Erica and Maggie.

That's what FG done wrong, looked after wasters.

There wasnt a single party this election that was looking after those who work, FF missed a huge trick by not occupying that space, FG missed a huge trick by ignoring those people for a decade, and here now we are with 3 parties neck and neck and not a policy to lower any tax between them.

Blazer

amadangomor wrote: »

And I will repeat no party here has the balls to take the hard decisions to reform the system because the public service unions will be out on strike and will turn the electorate against any party that tries

maybe a few visits to the striker leaders by men in bavaclavas?

amadangomor

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/state-among-highest-spenders-on-health-per-person-in-oecd-1.3547256%3fmode=amp

Irish health spending per person is the 7th highest spending in the OECD. We spend plenty on health as it is. We need to spend it better.

Agree but easier said than done. We need to rip up the system and start from scratch. No one has the stomach for this. if Sinn Fein do fair balls but as a left wing party thay will have little chance.

Sir Oxman

the_syco wrote: »

People; "Sinn Fein are not the IRA."

**SF wins lots of seats**

SF starts to sing "Come out ye Black and Tans, come out and fight me like a man
Show your wife how you won medals down in Flanders
Tell them how the IRA made you run like hell away"... :pac:

Yeah, 'Flanders' would be a the giveaway there about that tune.
They're celebrating FFers, and FGers there.

lmimmfn

Eric Cartman wrote: »

There wasnt a single party this election that was looking after those who work, FF missed a huge trick by not occupying that space, FG missed a huge trick by ignoring those people for a decade, and here now we are with 3 parties neck and neck and not a policy to lower any tax between them.

It is shocking how out of touch FFG we're in this election.

almostover

almostover wrote: »

Hows that possible? Taxation doesnt discriminate between private and public sector unless I'm gravely mistaken. Don't think union subs can be counted as taxation

PRD/ASC. My friend.

gmisk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

There wasnt a single party this election that was looking after those who work, FF missed a huge trick by not occupying that space, FG missed a huge trick by ignoring those people for a decade, and here now we are with 3 parties neck and neck and not a policy to lower any tax between them.

FG constantly said about helping people who get up early to work....that definitely didn't pan out.

the_syco

If no Dail is formed, and there's a re-election, does SF have people in it's ranks to bolster TD numbers?

gmisk

Catherine Ardagh seemingly in trouble in Dublin south Central.
That is a big surprise.
Brid Smith should fly with SF transfers I would think

amadangomor

amadangomor wrote: »

Agree but easier said than done. We need to rip up the system and start from scratch. No one has the stomach for this. if Sinn Fein do fair balls but as a left wing party thay will have little chance.

I'd be happy in a huge increase in tax like 3-4% across the board to completely socialise healthcare.

is_that_so

the_syco wrote: »

If no Dail is formed, and there's a re-election, does SF have people in it's ranks to bolster TD numbers?

Well, they do have about 80 unemployed ex-councillors and it doesn't seem to matter who they put up, just as long as it says SF beside their name.

lmimmfn

the_syco wrote: »

If no Dail is formed, and there's a re-election, does SF have people in it's ranks to bolster TD numbers?

They could probably stick a sticker on anyone at this stage and they'd be voted in.

The Rape of Lucretia

listermint wrote: »

Did the unions build the children's hospital or was it a steering group comprised of consultants ?

Yes. The Irish people all took a cut, ratcheting up the price. Thats not Simon Harris' fault, thats just a weakness of the Irish to behave responsible, do a fair job for a fiar price, and avoid just looking after themselves, the rest be damned. Its a character trait. As is then moaning about how much it costs.

RandomViewer

Deleted User wrote: »

All the Shinners with the tricolour are cringey as ****. Embarassing. Like those losers celebrating brexit day.

Do you not get it, Charlie's nutty idea brought about an election FG or FF weren't ready for.

Eric Cartman

gmisk wrote: »

FG constantly said about helping people who get up early to work....that definitely didn't pan out.

not once, not once at all, it says a hell of a lot when working people have literally so few options that the god damn IRA look attractive. The only thing ill give them is that they were anti-carbon tax increases which would benefit low earners but that was it.

Ush1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't believe the majority of people who voted SF want a 32 county republic. It's economic suicide.

So is all their policies to be honest. Did you watch the leaders debate when McDonald was asked about global warming and pensions? She couldn't keep a straight face.

Stheno

LeinsterDub wrote: »

How what? Dutch style Healthcare. Tell private consultants to looks after themselves. Every other European country does this

Theres a lot more you could do.

I recently broke a bone and had to attend a fracture clinic.

One admin would check me in. Another would then send me to xray. Another would then check me into xray. Then I would make follow up appointments with the first admin and physio appointments with a different one.
That's three unnecessary admin posts in one clinic in on hospital four if you include the physio admin.
The entire process could be automated as now happens with blood tests at the same hospital and everyone appears to cope with that.

At the clinic if I needed an xray a porter had to bring me in a wheelchair as the lift wasn't working so that's five unnecessary posts in one small clinic.

Rationalise backroom staff like HR last time it was on the radio there were 4000+ in an organisation of 100000 staff

Split private and public consulting engagements which I think has been done

Increase opening times for scans to reduce waiting lists

Completely restructure how we run a and e to reduce delays in test results which clog beds

With the above as a start youd save a lot of money to allow investing in more primary care and step down centres and free up beds.

But .....unions

Jinglejangle69

the_syco wrote: »

If no Dail is formed, and there's a re-election, does SF have people in it's ranks to bolster TD numbers?

They do and even if they don't they could put a cardboard cut out forward and they would romp home!

Fair play, they really got their message across.

Grab All Association

the_syco wrote: »

People; "Sinn Fein are not the IRA."

**SF wins lots of seats**

SF starts to sing "Come out ye Black and Tans, come out and fight me like a man
Show your wife how you won medals down in Flanders
Tell them how the IRA made you run like hell away"... :pac:

Sinn Féin doesn’t own that song. That song can be applied to Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil. Though I think the former would be more fond of the God saved the queen. Fine Gael had a chance of a seat here in Tipperary, they cannot fathom how sick to the stomach some of the elderly people here in Tipperary felt about commemorating the RIC/Auxiliary given what their fathers and mothers were put through in Liberty Square Thurles in retaliation. Look up the sack of Thurles and Dermot Morgan’s (Father Ted) grandfather who was on Thurles Urban District council at the time.

Fann Linn

the_syco wrote: »

If no Dail is formed, and there's a re-election, does SF have people in it's ranks to bolster TD numbers?

Plenty of unemployed ex FF/FG TDs and Ministers could join a winning team I suppose.

AlmightyCushion

amadangomor wrote: »

Agree but easier said than done. We need to rip up the system and start from scratch. No one has the stomach for this. if Sinn Fein do fair balls but as a left wing party thay will have little chance.

I completely agree. I think Fine Gael were planning to tackle it. They announced a redundancy scheme for the HSE only a few months ago. Can't see anyone else doing it. Every is afraid of taking on the unions.

LuckyLloyd

BarryD2 wrote: »

Hardly believable that a pretty invisible TD like Kathleen Funchion could top the poll whilst the very capable Lisa Chambers might lose her seat. Same for Mythen in Wexford - how/ why could people justify sticking his name to No1?

The SF election literature was not about the candidates, no contact information at all on ours for the SF candidate. It was just a photo of the candidate alongside brand Mary Lou, a bit of negative blurb on FF/FG and that was it.

Unbelievable that the electorate has fallen for this 'change'.

What are you talking about? It's a national election. It should be about national policy and the party as a whole. People have complained about 'fix the pothole' politics for years; then a party do the bloody thing and engage with a general election on the right level and you complain about that too? Give me a break.

RandomViewer

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yes. The Irish people all took a cut, ratcheting up the price. Thats not Simon Harris' fault, thats just a weakness of the Irish to behave responsible, do a fair job for a fiar price, and avoid just looking after themselves, the rest be damned. Its a character trait. As is then moaning about how much it costs.

Private contractors so far, if Siptu were involved the planning permissionvwouldnt even be applied for. Certain unions are basically running a protection racket , they take millions from workers but do nothing for them.

LeinsterDub

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yes. The Irish people all took a cut, ratcheting up the price. Thats not Simon Harris' fault, thats just a weakness of the Irish to behave responsible, do a fair job for a fiar price, and avoid just looking after themselves, the rest be damned. Its a character trait. As is then moaning about how much it costs.

It's not the Minister for Health's fault a rock solid contract with an agreed price wasn't agreed beforehand? Pull the other one. If he was unsure he should have asked the NTA/TII to advise. They've been delivering infrastructure on budget for years

Sir Oxman

Grab All Association wrote: »

Sinn Féin doesn’t own that song. That song can be applied to Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil. Though I think the former would be more fond of the God saved the queen. Fine Gael had a chance of a seat here in Tipperary, they cannot fathom how sick to the stomach some of the elderly people here in Tipperary felt about commemorating the RIC/Auxiliary given what their fathers and mothers were put through in Liberty Square Thurles in retaliation. Look up the sack of Thurles and Dermot Morgan’s (Father Ted) grandfather who was on Thurles Urban District council at the time.

For sure, that episode last month exemplified the complete arrogance and how out of touch that party is.
That would have gone down like a dose of coronavirus particularly in Munster

is_that_so

amadangomor wrote: »

Agree but easier said than done. We need to rip up the system and start from scratch. No one has the stomach for this. if Sinn Fein do fair balls but as a left wing party thay will have little chance.

It's already there and it's called Slaintecare. They've all signed up to it.

https://www.gov.ie/en/campaigns/slaintecare-implementation-strategy/

The Rape of Lucretia

Deleted User wrote: »

How?

By cutting out the waste. Reduce costs, close hospitals, improve efficiency. Ireland pays more than enough to have an excellent health service. The problem is that a great proportion of it is just syphoned off into maintaining ineffiency. But people dont care. Its nimby-ism : 'sort out the health system, but dont touch our little corner'. And healthcare employs so many that it extends to an enourmous swathe of the population. Health could be resolved - but people dont realy want to do so.

maccored

let the whinging commence from the ABSF people

lmimmfn

Grab All Association wrote: »

Sinn Féin doesn’t own that song. That song can be applied to Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil. Though I think the former would be more fond of the God saved the queen. Fine Gael had a chance of a seat here in Tipperary, they cannot fathom how sick to the stomach some of the elderly people here in Tipperary felt about commemorating the RIC/Auxiliary given what their fathers and mothers were put through in Liberty Square Thurles in retaliation. Look up the sack of Thurles and Dermot Morgan’s (Father Ted) grandfather who was on Thurles Urban District council at the time.

The planned RIC commemoration by FG and insisting it will happen regardless of the negative publicity and what the population thought was a major own goal by them.

Fann Linn

maccored wrote: »

let the whinging commence from the ABSF people

Have you just woke up?
They've been whinging since 22.01 last night.