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Uninsured driver hit my parked car. What to do?

  • 07-02-2020 1:49pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭


    Based on what I know so far a schoolboy from a local school who is a learner driver usually on his mothers car, took his fathers powerful Audi Saloon to school/for a drive with a mate today as his father is out of the country for work and his mother was at work. Reported near misses elsewhere in the town, stalls it near my parked car outside my house, panics and launches car into the side of mine. Drives off, stops further up the road to inspect damage to own car, drives off again. Witnesses get photo's of the car alongside mine touching it with reg clearly visible thankfully. Guards are called and while taking details from me and witnesses get a call on the radio that the car has been spotted elsehwere in the town and they leave. In the meantime I find a 6inch chunk of the offending cars alloy wheel rim under my car so I was sure at that point the report from elsehwere in the town was the offender because that tyre would have gone flat straight away and he wouldn't get very far. So yeah, a schoolboy learner taking Daddy's car without permission. Guards came back to me and said they'll keep me up to date but that the kid says he wants to pay for the damage himself which is obviously just a panicked kid sh1te talking. That said if he's uninsured his mammy and daddy may also want to pay for the damage themselves once they are informed whats happened by the guards.

    So my question is, how do I proceed. Do I inform my insurance company (I'm fully protected no claims) straight away or are they not involved if its an uninsured driver or the offending parties want to pay the full cost of repair. Do I need to get the car towed to have the damage assessed? Possible rear drivers side wheel/axle/suspension damage? Lots of drivers side panel damage.

    My car is a 2007 Mark 2 Audi TT with only 40,000km on the clock (don't ask LOL) Cars with same age but much more mileage are €5000-€7000 on Carzone. Theres an identical car but a 2008 with 114,000km on Carzone for €8,000

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭seagull


    How much will it cost to repair? That looks like some significant damage, and I'd be worried the insurance will be looking to write it off.

    I'd suggest waiting to hear from the parents as to whether they will be paying for it. Depending on the terms of the insurer, you might be able to claim from the father's insurance, and they will then refuse to indemnify him, and go after him for reimbursement.

    That kid is in a seriously deep pile of poo. The parents have the option of having the guards charge him with taking the car without permission, or they face a fine for allowing him to drive it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Inform your insurance company, give them the incident number from the Gardai.

    Hopefully the insurance company will pursue the costs of the damage from the owner of the vehicle which struck yours.


    If not you're going down the road of a civil case, sue the drivers parents in court..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,409 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    I feel your pain! There’s no way if it’s a write off that you’ll get close to the value of a similarly low mileage TT. Get the repair valued, and present thus to the parents as the cost of not going near insurance. And get the cash in hand before getting the work done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    seagull wrote: »
    How much will it cost to repair? That looks like some significant damage, and I'd be worried the insurance will be looking to write it off.

    Insurance company may well go down the line of declaring it a write off--

    Looks like new door, side skirt, alloy repair, rear arch body panel repair, respray, €2000?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭Calibos


    seagull wrote: »
    How much will it cost to repair? That looks like some significant damage, and I'd be worried the insurance will be looking to write it off.

    I'd suggest waiting to hear from the parents as to whether they will be paying for it. Depending on the terms of the insurer, you might be able to claim from the father's insurance, and they will then refuse to indemnify him, and go after him for reimbursement.

    That kid is in a seriously deep pile of poo. The parents have the option of having the guards charge him with taking the car without permission, or they face a fine for allowing him to drive it.

    How does a write off work? Insurance pays me what they asses is the value of the car? Can I use that to repair the car and keep it on the road. Does a written off car affect my ability to re-insure the car myself at next renewal? Affect re-sale? (Not that I'll ever part with it if I don't have to) Its just, I'll never get a replacement in that price range with a barely run in engine like mine LOL. My plan was to keep running this car as long as financially viable until EV's are mainstream, better and cheaper where I might finally end up replacing it with a 2027 Tesla. LOL

    ie. Is keeping insurance out of it and letting the kids parents pay for the damage better for me in terms if not having a write-off logged against the car and for insurance purposes etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Also, I presume this has to be taken to Garage to assess mechanical damage as well as bodyshop to assess cost of panel damage. An Audi Service center or my local Nissan dealership/service center that have been doing the services for the last 7 or 8 years? Given someone else is paying should I definitely go to an Audi service centre and let them contract out the bodyshop quote/work too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭Notch000


    i would think there is no doubt the child and or parents will be glad to offer a cash settlement for the damage to be repaired (to protect there son). You need to be requesting they cover the full cost of repairs + inconvenience to you and also loss of value to your car, it will never be the same again. press for 1/2 valuation post repair


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭ActingDanClark


    If he's 17 he'd be entitled to be considered for a juvenile caution, therefore no insurance.your insurer might be reluctant to take civil action against a teenager in which case you'd have to go via motor insurers bureau. If parents say he took car without permission they wouldn't be liable to you, he would. If there's a possibility they'd pay for the damage it might be the way to go?


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,631 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Ring your insurance company now for notification purposes only. Listen to what the parents say, but always be aware that these sort of things can get out of hand. Is "legal" cover on your car insurance? They may put you in touch with their solicitor also.

    I dont know if MIBI would be worth anything in this case?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,783 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Calibos wrote: »
    How does a write off work? Insurance pays me what they asses is the value of the car? Can I use that to repair the car and keep it on the road. Does a written off car affect my ability to re-insure the car myself at next renewal? Affect re-sale? (Not that I'll ever part with it if I don't have to) Its just, I'll never get a replacement in that price range with a barely run in engine like mine LOL. My plan was to keep running this car as long as financially viable until EV's are mainstream, better and cheaper where I might finally end up replacing it with a 2027 Tesla. LOL

    ie. Is keeping insurance out of it and letting the kids parents pay for the damage better for me in terms if not having a write-off logged against the car and for insurance purposes etc.

    All of the damage is repairable / replaceable. From the pic, its all "surface" damage and a reputable panel beater will confirm that for you. If you really want to keep it, then take it to directly to a reputable Panel beating business, and get a quotation ( get more than one,if you like ) why would you involve Main Dealers ??... they are only adding to the cost. Forget them. Get your Quotations, have chat with the boys Father, and ask him if he want's it to go through his insurance ( very unlikely ) or to pay up front for the repair's. In terms of depreciation, that usually works out at 10% of the estimate. As for trading it in at some future date...keep the pic. Most cars get scuffs / scrape's during their life times, and get them repaired / sprayed. This is pure cosmetic work, and not to be compared with serious structural repair's, Chassis replacement / repairing etc. with possible steering / suspension problems afterward's.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,867 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    jmreire wrote: »
    All of the damage is repairable / replaceable. From the pic, its all "surface" damage and a reputable panel beater will confirm that for you. If you really want to keep it, then take it to directly to a reputable Panel beating business, and get a quotation ( get more than one,if you like ) why would you involve Main Dealers ??... they are only adding to the cost. Forget them. Get your Quotations, have chat with the boys Father, and ask him if he want's it to go through his insurance ( very unlikely ) or to pay up front for the repair's. In terms of depreciation, that usually works out at 10% of the estimate. As for trading it in at some future date...keep the pic. Most cars get scuffs / scrape's during their life times, and get them repaired / sprayed. This is pure cosmetic work, and not to be compared with serious structural repair's, Chassis replacement / repairing etc. with possible steering / suspension problems afterward's.

    To teach this little bollix a lesson would be the main reason!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    This is how it works

    When there is property damage only, caused by an uninsured driver, your insurer handles the matter under the MIBI protocol providing you have comprehensive insurance. Your insurer CANNOT impact your NCB or future premiums. Check the MIBI website for precise details.

    If you do not have comprehensive insurance, you must apply directly to the MIBI for compensation, which can take time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭bladespin


    jmreire wrote: »
    why would you involve Main Dealers ??...

    Wouldn't go to anyone else, let them organise the proper repair and pass the costs on to the responsible party.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭Calibos


    jmreire wrote: »
    All of the damage is repairable / replaceable. From the pic, its all "surface" damage and a reputable panel beater will confirm that for you. If you really want to keep it, then take it to directly to a reputable Panel beating business, and get a quotation ( get more than one,if you like ) why would you involve Main Dealers ??... they are only adding to the cost. Forget them. Get your Quotations, have chat with the boys Father, and ask him if he want's it to go through his insurance ( very unlikely ) or to pay up front for the repair's. In terms of depreciation, that usually works out at 10% of the estimate. As for trading it in at some future date...keep the pic. Most cars get scuffs / scrape's during their life times, and get them repaired / sprayed. This is pure cosmetic work, and not to be compared with serious structural repair's, Chassis replacement / repairing etc. with possible steering / suspension problems afterward's.

    The reason I think there might be mechanical suspension damage is that the the car is no longer parallel to the kerb/parking space lines and I’m usually a stickler for parking parallel so it looks like the back end of the car might have been hit hard enough to push it in. I also initially thought the rear drivers side wheel is skewed at an slight angle, but then again that might be the perspective because of the pushed in side panels. When looking from behind the car at both rear wheels in relation to the bumper I’m not sure if the damaged wheel is skewed. Also, remember that I found several pieces of his AlloY wheel including a 6 inch long 3 inch wide chunk of the rim under my car, so it must have been some whack to break large chunks of Alloy off and not simply a side swipe to my car.

    ie. nothing conclusive visually but thats not to say an inspection wouldnt indicated a cracked x, y or z in the suspension.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,783 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Calibos wrote: »
    The reason I think there might be mechanical suspension damage is that the the car is no longer parallel to the kerb/parking space lines and I’m usually a stickler for parking parallel so it looks like the back end of the car might have been hit hard enough to push it in. I also initially thought the rear drivers side wheel is skewed at an slight angle, but then again that might be the perspective because of the pushed in side panels. When looking from behind the car at both rear wheels in relation to the bumper I’m not sure if the damaged wheel is skewed. Also, remember that I found several pieces of his AlloY wheel including a 6 inch long 3 inch wide chunk of the rim under my car, so it must have been some whack to break large chunks of Alloy off and not simply a side swipe to my car.

    ie. nothing conclusive visually but thats not to say an inspection wouldnt indicated a cracked x, y or z in the suspension.

    If you check my post, you will see where I mentioned take it to a panel beater and get it checked out, From the pic,I don't think that any serious damage has been done, but then the pic is what I am going on. Now if I had it up close and personal, I might have different opinion. Get a professional opinion for peace of mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,783 ✭✭✭jmreire


    bladespin wrote: »
    Wouldn't go to anyone else, let them organise the proper repair and pass the costs on to the responsible party.

    You do realize that it's the body shop who will do the assessment and the work? All the dealership will do take a slice of the action....and if the kids Dad has to pay up front, that's just an additional cost. Is that what you would want if you were in the Fathers position? They have enough trouble as it is. If the car is restored to its pre-accident condition, that seems to be what the owner wants. Unless I'm missing something in his post's. Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning the kids activity..he made a mistake, something we have all done...no one was injured. Now if that had been a joy rider in a stolen car, it would be a different case .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭Calibos


    jmreire wrote: »
    You do realize that it's the body shop who will do the assessment and the work? All the dealership will do take a slice of the action....and if the kids Dad has to pay up front, that's just an additional cost. Is that what you would want if you were in the Fathers position? They have enough trouble as it is. If the car is restored to its pre-accident condition, that seems to be what the owner wants. Unless I'm missing something in his post's. Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning the kids activity..he made a mistake, something we have all done...no one was injured. Now if that had been a joy rider in a stolen car, it would be a different case .

    No, I dont want to squeeze them or take them to the cleaners, but neither do I want to sell myself or the repairs short to save them money because I’m a nice guy. Thats why I asked about whether I should prioritise an Audi service center check/repair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,867 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    jmreire wrote: »
    Now if that had been a joy rider in a stolen car, it would be a different case .

    How is the kid taking his dads car out for a bit of a show off spin NOT joyriding? He hit a parked car and drove away!!

    Just cos he wasn’t haring around town with his hair on fire doing doughnuts in the local Main Street doesn’t mean he wasn’t joyriding.

    He took the car without permission. Let the little sod learn a lesson. Either through his parents or through the law.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭Calibos


    jmreire wrote: »
    If you check my post, you will see where I mentioned take it to a panel beater and get it checked out, From the pic,I don't think that any serious damage has been done, but then the pic is what I am going on. Now if I had it up close and personal, I might have different opinion. Get a professional opinion for peace of mind.

    I understand. I just wasnt sure if a panel beater was qualified to assess whether there was any mechanical damage in addition to the bodywork/chassis damage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭Neilw


    It is quite possibly a write off, all the panels damaged are alloy (70% of the body is alloy) so replacements if they choose to replace panels will be expensive from audi.
    As you mentioned the rear wheel does look like it has been pushed forward


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Insurance company may well go down the line of declaring it a write off--

    Looks like new door, side skirt, alloy repair, rear arch body panel repair, respray, €2000?

    Higher I'd say.

    Doors are aluminium AFAIK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    You can get a piece of string, place it along the front wheel and along to the back wheel, if it touches evenly all the way then it's OK, if not it has shifted. (See pic below for a better description)

    If the axle or wheel has shifted, then get it lifted onto a truck, do not drive it.

    Get a reputable source like Dennings at the Spawell (if in Dublin) to price a repair.
    Contact the parents, show them the estimate, add on 20% for your time and depreciation and ask for cash within 2-3 days. If they can't pay, contact your insurer.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,582 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    Looks nasty but one would ask we only know of this incident where he hit this car,what else could have happened elsewhere that we dont know about and would have a snowball effect.I might agree contact insurance company as it may not be a simple open and shut case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,783 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Calibos wrote: »
    I understand. I just wasnt sure if a panel beater was qualified to assess whether there was any mechanical damage in addition to the bodywork/chassis damage.

    He / She would be, it'a part of the job. I know, because I used to do it. A proper panel beating business will have all the alignment / jig equipment to restore a car to it's original specification.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    I'd say that's easily €5000 on an insurance claim, I had a colleague have similar repaired after a run in with a pole. To be fair his was a newer BMW but it was €5-6 by the time he got it back. Keep in mind they will factor in a hire car during repairs and this could be €1000 alone. Of course you'll probably find a back yard panel beater that'll do it for €2-3k but I'd say that's a right off and any suspension damage or wheel damage will be the final nail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭Fishdoodle


    That damage via main dealer could cost well over 2K . A friend of mine did damage to my car into only one door on a frosty morning. Main dealer was delighted ...drew up an invoice for about €2,500 to replace door, window motor etc. Got it done by a local garage for €450, using 2nd hand parts and a respray -did an amazing job. And my friend wasn't much out of pocket.

    What I'd reccomend
    1. Have the car looked at by a mechanic to check for any hidden structural damage. Id go to a main dealer (if driveable) & a regular reputable garage -get two quotes at least. (Generally you'll get a big and smaller estimate). Some Garages do bodywork repairs also.
    2. I presume you've let your insurer know.
    3. If the damage is purely cosmetic, get an estimate from panel beater -the main companies can be expensive, smaller setups significantly cheaper -good to have 2 quotes.
    4. Having a chat with the father/mother of the boy will give a clearer idea of what route to take (in a sense of goodwill). But should you choose, you don't have to deal with them directly and your insurance company can look after everything -even though caused by an uninsured driver.

    Young driver could face a lot of trouble.
    If your car is not driveable, your insurance should cover you for a temporary replacement car. Always best to give them a ring -to get best advice and at least you've the case logged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭micar


    Get in touch with Motor Insurers Bureau of Ireland

    https://www.mibi.ie/making-a-claim/uninsured-vehicles.1752.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭FluffPiece


    The little prick could have hit several cars on his little caper around town. Are the parents going to be able to afford to pay for all of them should any more appear?

    I'd go through the insurance if possible and avoid most of the hassle / worry. Not your fault the little ****er took his father's car.


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    Good opportunity for the parents to give boy a sharp lesson. No driving until he starts earning & buys his own car. Cost of repair, which I hope will be reimbursed by parents, to be paid partially paid back to them via denial of something or other specific, eg going to a concert, that they have been funding the boy in addition to not let him drive until he is more mature & can afford to run a Toyota Yaris and be glad of it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    Will there be an e500 excess on this if the op goes through the mibi?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    FluffPiece wrote: »
    The little prick could have hit several cars on his little caper around town. Are the parents going to be able to afford to pay for all of them should any more appear?

    I'd go through the insurance if possible and avoid most of the hassle / worry. Not your fault the little ****er took his father's car.

    If the car is declared as taken without consent (TWOC) does that invalidate the insurance? Being still legally a minor who is the other issue, can the parents be held criminally responsible for their son's actions? It's a grey area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭Calibos


    FluffPiece wrote: »
    The little prick could have hit several cars on his little caper around town. Are the parents going to be able to afford to pay for all of them should any more appear?

    I'd go through the insurance if possible and avoid most of the hassle / worry. Not your fault the little ****er took his father's car.

    Its not necessarily straightforwards. I was looking into the ins and outs of write offs. If its repairable and safe to put back on the road but the cost of repair is close to or exceeds the value of the car its a CAT D write off. If I wanted the car back from the insurance company to repair I’d get paid the insurers low ball Assesment of the value minus 10-30% of that value to get the car back. Theres also the very real possibility my insurance premiums go up because of the write-off even a CAT D one on the car. Given all that, theres the potential for me to be out of pocket for repairs and higher insurance premiums should I want to keep the car and keep it on the road....which I do....because I will never find another 2007 TT in my cars otherwise great condition and ultra low mileage. The decision would be much easier if mine was another 140,000km 2007 TT like all the others of similar vintage. So me being the only careful owner and trusting my own cars 40,000km makes the car worth repairing.....to me....but going through insurance might ironically mean I am out of pocket For the reasons outlined above despite this being entirely someone elses fault.

    EG. Insurance value car at €5000. Repairs will cost €5000 so they want a Cat D write off. They’ll sell the car back to me for €1000. ie. I get car back and €4000 cash....but the repairs are €5000 in this hypothetical example remember. I’m down a grand and my annual i surance premium potentially goes up too. All because I went through insurance. So ot turns out, it could be in both parties interest that we settle this privately rather than through insurance.

    I didnt need this stress and hassle right now. The little Bollix! LOL.

    Thankfully I dont commute with this car so it being undrivable for a few weeks isnt actually too much of an inconvenience. Thats actually the reason for its low mileage. A year after buying it I moved next door to my place of work so my commute is a 10 second walk. LOL.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭micar


    Will there be an e500 excess on this if the op goes through the mibi?

    Can't see any mention of that. However

    "An excess of €220 (i.e. the claimant must pay the first €220 of the claim) applies to vehicle damage claims where the alleged offending vehicle was stolen at the time the incident occurred."

    If the car was taken without his father's permission......would that constitute the car being stolen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Just thought I'd chime in and say going the main dealer route does not guarantee a perfect repair. I've seen some main dealers produce/sign off on some pretty sub standard body repairs over the years.

    The op should ask around locally or indeed on here as to who would be the best crash repair/panel beater reasonably local to them. It may well transpire that the main dealer route is the best course of action but it's definitely not something that should be assumed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    micar wrote:
    If the car was taken without his father's permission......would that constitute the car being stolen.


    Good question.

    I suppose the parents wont want to declare it stolen so their little angel doesn't get a record.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭Fishdoodle


    As far as I understand, you are not at fault for the damage done.
    In that case, the other party / insurance company is liable for the damage costs (under that policy).
    If the car were a write off, you'd be insured for the current market value. (but my guess is that the repairs could come in at less than that). It can depend on where/how its done.
    I'd expect this incident should have no effect on your motor premium / no claims bonus etc. if the other party is paying the full costs costs.

    -Actually, come to think of it, - you should get a record of the insurance details of the other motor vehicle.

    Now, the tricky part is that the other driver is uninsured. - So, a claim could go through Motor Insurer's Bureau if Ireland (MIBI). https://www.mibi.ie/making-a-claim/are-you-entitled-to-claim-from-the-mibi.1612.html

    There are a couple of things that come up
    -the Owner of the other car - how this might affect his policy.
    -the Gardaí are involved (so technically a criminal matter?)
    -the driver of the other car - possibly facing a court conviction

    Main thing - you're in the clear. Ring your insurer - they are there to advise you and will be very helpful, will clear up a lot of confusion and you'll be very clear on where you stand. Definately give them a ring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭Needles73


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Insurance company may well go down the line of declaring it a write off--

    Looks like new door, side skirt, alloy repair, rear arch body panel repair, respray, €2000?

    It will be a lot more than 2k I’d suspect. New rear quarter. New door etc Easily 4K to do it perfect I’d bet. That means an economic right off. Sure you could get it looking right for less but I wouldn’t be happy considering how damage was caused.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,783 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Calibos wrote: »
    Its not necessarily straightforwards. I was looking into the ins and outs of write offs. If its repairable and safe to put back on the road but the cost of repair is close to or exceeds the value of the car its a CAT D write off. If I wanted the car back from the insurance company to repair I’d get paid the insurers low ball Assesment of the value minus 10-30% of that value to get the car back. Theres also the very real possibility my insurance premiums go up because of the write-off even a CAT D one on the car. Given all that, theres the potential for me to be out of pocket for repairs and higher insurance premiums should I want to keep the car and keep it on the road....which I do....because I will never find another 2007 TT in my cars otherwise great condition and ultra low mileage. The decision would be much easier if mine was another 140,000km 2007 TT like all the others of similar vintage. So me being the only careful owner and trusting my own cars 40,000km makes the car worth repairing.....to me....but going through insurance might ironically mean I am out of pocket For the reasons outlined above despite this being entirely someone elses fault.

    EG. Insurance value car at €5000. Repairs will cost €5000 so they want a Cat D write off. They’ll sell the car back to me for €1000. ie. I get car back and €4000 cash....but the repairs are €5000 in this hypothetical example remember. I’m down a grand and my annual i surance premium potentially goes up too. All because I went through insurance. So ot turns out, it could be in both parties interest that we settle this privately rather than through insurance.

    I didnt need this stress and hassle right now. The little Bollix! LOL.

    Thankfully I dont commute with this car so it being undrivable for a few weeks isnt actually too much of an inconvenience. Thats actually the reason for its low mileage. A year after buying it I moved next door to my place of work so my commute is a 10 second walk. LOL.

    Calibos.....go to a reputable panel beating business (or 3). Get a quote ( or 3) everything in writing. Go to the Kid's Father, present him with the quote most acceptable to you ( you are the boss in where it goes for repairs ) And tell him that you want your car back in pre-accident condition, and this is the cost, Regardless of how high the cost will be...My guess is that he will pay it, even if it mean's getting a loan to do it. But I understand from your post that the Father is working abroad but when at home he is driving an Audi, the Mother has her own car, so I would not classify them as unemployed and of poor means. This will be the very best result for you, and to be truth full, I think that is all you want...your car back and no more hassle.
    Involving insurance opens up a whole can of worms for you, as has been mentioned by various posters here on the forum. Don't worry about the legal ramifications for the kid and his Family.....that's their business, and in the case of a prosecution, they will want to be able to say in mitigation that all damages have been paid for,
    Good Luck with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭mondeo


    I'd say that car is a write off, shame.


  • Posts: 24,714 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mondeo wrote: »
    I'd say that car is a write off, shame.

    Just because it’s a write off doesn’t mean it can’t be repaired.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    Will there be an e500 excess on this if the op goes through the mibi?

    The MIBI will stipulate an excess of €220. If the excess under your own policy is more than that, you apply to the MIBI for the difference


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Some more photo's from today.

    Chunk of his Alloy Rim.

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    Upon Closer inspection, this one has me worried again about rear suspension axle damage as another user amazingly spotted from the first photo despite that photo not being a good angle. ie. I thought the wheel arch liner falling down may have made it appear like the Wheel was pushed forwards in the other photo but this photo looks like the wheel is too close to the side skirt.

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    Its dark now obviously but I'll have to have a really good look tomorrow and try and get some photo's underneath the car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Yes it will need suspension parts.... Looks worse then is hopefully.

    These parts snap which in this case is good as it shouldn't damage the main structural points.

    Get 2 quotes, get his parents to pay or insurance and also get your rental covered for the time your car is gone....

    Also I would get a full detail done on that to bring it back to show room condition.

    Really like the TT.

    Whatever happens you shouldn't be out of pocket or in any way restricted such as no access to wheels to get around.

    If you haven't got a rental sorted get one and chase them for costs.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,631 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    OP, I'd go for whatever option is going to have the car back as good as it was. If that's the mains dealers that's what it is. Remember, you shouldn't be out of pocket because if this. You shouldn't settle for a cheaper option.

    Those last photos, it does look like the axles have bent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭Tzardine


    Shame, looks like it could potentially be a write off looking at the pictures. Bent axles would almost guarantee it.

    I would say that the main issue you will have is getting a decent market value from the MIBI assessor. Start looking for as many examples as possible of cars in the same condition and mileage as yours for a reference point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭Fishdoodle


    Wouldn't worry about contacting your insurance comapny when you're not at all at fault. You can opt to go through insurance / not even after contacting them. Have all details to hand (date, time, etc), but best not to leave it too long. You've nothing to lose.

    Secondly : Re. No claim bonus etc: (From an Insurance Company Website):

    "If you make a claim on your policy where your insurer pays out, you’ll generally lose some, or all, of your no-claims bonus.

    But if you’re hit by another car and it’s agreed that you weren’t at fault, your insurer may be able to reclaim the payout from the other car’s insurer and your NCB may not be affected.

    In cases where fault can’t be agreed on, insurers may split the cost of the claims and both drivers’ NCB could be affected. This includes if your car is stolen or damaged by bad weather." (not the case with you).


    ...So you're in a good position.

    When I had my car damaged - I got a really good repair done on it. When vehicles are scrapped everything is dissembled and these (2nd-Hand parts can be perfectly used and WAY cheaper) -I'm talking doors here, but shocks etc , you're better off with new. Main dealers can often push that you use new parts but if a door needs replacing ...not a big deal. Panel beaters can do an amazing job, but sometimes it's just cheaper to replace a whole panel if theres going to be too much labor involved. You could Google panel beaters in your area and check reviews. By not going to a main dealer I paid 1/6 of the repair price a main dealer quoted & if you go solo, you decide where you want it repaired.

    So
    1. Let your insurer know
    2. Get the damage checked & costed by a main dealer & different garage (at least 2 quotes), and query pre-owned parts being used
    3. If mechanic finds no major faults then ...Panel beater and do the same.
    4. Whatever happens, its the other party that will pay the damage, - if they are able to, perhaps well and good, otherwise it'll go through either their insurance or MIBI (in which case it would be important that you already let your insurance company know of the collision).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭Fishdoodle


    Ouch ...looked at the pics. and rear axel looks damaged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Fishdoodle wrote: »
    Ouch ...looked at the pics. and rear axel looks damaged.

    It's going to be anti roll bar and bottom arm and few other bits it won't write it off.

    Had worse on my Octavia and they didn't write it off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Fishdoodle wrote: »
    Ouch ...looked at the pics. and rear axel looks damaged.

    There has never been a rear axle on a TT.
    It will be bend arms and hopefully no damage to mounting points.
    Surely 4k plus to repair.

    Given that the other car is insured, id have thought they will be paying out and then it's up to them if they chase owner to recover costs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner




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