2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

KiKi III

I think Sleepy Joe is the kindest of Trump’s nicknames and almost works in Joe’s favour. I think a lot of people like the idea of a more sedate presidency than the current one.

extra gravy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i was in with my mother today to see the gerontologist about her dementia. i noticed a questionnaire with Montreal Cognitive Assessment (MOCA) on the top. I asked the doc if that was the test that trump took. she rolled her eyes when i mentioned that trump thought the questions were hard.

Sorry to hear that, it's a tough road ahead. All the best to you and your mum.

Overheal

According to multiple reports, President Donald Trump’s former attorney Michael Cohen is set to be released from prison on Friday after a judge ruled he was sent back to prison as retaliation for his planned tell-all book.

CNBC reported that Judge Alvin Hellerstein “found that Cohen was sent back to prison on July 10 in retaliation for failing to agree a day earlier to not to publish a book about Trump as one of multiple conditions for serving the remainder of his three-year prison term on home confinement.”

According to Law & Crime, Hellerstein said, “The purpose of transferring Mr Cohen to jail was retaliatory because of his desire to exercise his First Amendment rights,” after he was asked to sign an agreement which would have forbidden him any contact with the media.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/just-in-michael-cohen-to-be-released-from-prison-friday/

I don't think the judge was convinced by their argument that he was "combative" and "defiant"

"During the meeting with probation officers, [Cohen] took issue with nearly every provision in the agreement relating to the terms and conditions of his home confinement," the filing says. "Rather, Petitioner was remanded to FCI Otisville because of his defiant behavior during his meeting at the Probation Office on July 9, 2020, which included objecting to nearly every term and condition of the FLM [Federal Location Monitoring] Agreement that the Probation Officers presented to him."

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-combative-michale-cohen-back-in-custody-20200722-nlq3jzvgxfbubjg5vyoid3qtgu-story.html

Kidchameleon

baaba maal wrote: »

Indeed- so list the disinfectants that you think can be administered intravenously in spite of your lack of qualifications to do so.

Indeed, I have already stated that I am not qualified to comment on medical issues such as this. I firmly believe that people are banging on and misrepresenting president Trumps disinfectant line due to the fact that they are desperately trying to make him look worse than he actually is. Clearly, if you apply logic to the situation, the president is not going to purposely suggest such a thing. Only an idiot would interpret what he said as a directive to inject bleach (a word he did not use btw) At the risk of looking soapboxy on this particular issue ill leave it at this...

Having done some research on the issue, it would appear that the intravenous use of disinfectant is not as crazy at one might think. "Eusol" is a disinfectant comprised of mainly Chlorine and it is normally used to treat skin wounds. Have a look in your first aid box, you may see the disinfectant skin wipes have it listed in their ingredients. Eusol has been used in the past intravenously to treat arthritis & septicemia.

The above is opinion

WARNING: CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR FOR MEDIAL ADVISE

ohnonotgmail

George Washington: "99% of failures come from people who make excuses."

John Adams: "If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader"

Thomas Jefferson: "Whenever you do a thing, act as if all the world were watching."

John Quincy Adams: "If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader."

Andrew Jackson: "Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error."

Martin Van Buren: "It is easier to do a job right than to explain why you didn't."

Abraham Lincoln: "Leave nothing for tomorrow which can be done today."

Theodore Roosevelt: "It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed."

Franklin D. Roosevelt: "The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today"

Harry S. Truman: "It's amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit."

Dwight D. Eisenhower: "By leadership we mean the art of getting someone else to do something that you want done because he wants to do it, not because your position of power can compel him to do it."

John F. Kennedy: "Efforts and courage are not enough without purpose and direction."

Gerald R. Ford: "Never be satisfied with less than your very best effort. If you strive for the top and miss, you'll still 'beat the pack.'"

William J. Clinton: "If you live long enough, you'll make mistakes. But if you learn from them, you'll be a better person. It's how you handle adversity, not how it affects you. The main thing is never quit, never quit, never quit."

Barack Obama: "Change will not come if we wait for some other person, or if we wait for some other time."

Donald J Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKkbFMDrE6g

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Indeed, I have already stated that I am not qualified to comment on medical issues such as this. I firmly believe that people are banging on and misrepresenting president Trumps disinfectant line due to the fact that they are desperately trying to make him look worse than he actually is. Clearly, if you apply logic to the situation, the president is not going to purposely suggest such a thing. Only an idiot would interpret what he said as a directive to inject bleach (a word he did not use btw) At the risk of looking soapboxy on this particular issue ill leave it at this...

Having done some research on the issue, it would appear that the intravenous use of disinfectant is not as crazy at one might think. "Eusol" is a disinfectant comprised of mainly Chlorine and it is normally used to treat skin wounds. Have a look in your first aid box, you may see the disinfectant skin wipes have it listed in their ingredients. Eusol has been used in the past intravenously to treat arthritis & septicemia.

The above is opinion

WARNING: CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR FOR MEDIAL ADVISE

You're really reaching when you're jumping to something like eusol when the only references that I can find in relation to intravenous use of it was over a century ago. All modern uses of it say that it should only be used externally. So I strongly doubt that Trump was making such statements based on any actual knowledge. I say that as a person as a person who has two chronic illnesses and know a fair bit about the various drugs used for the treatment of arthritis and such.

Kidchameleon

Deleted User wrote: »

You're really reaching when you're jumping to something like eusol when the only references that I can find in relation to intravenous use of it was over a century ago. All modern uses of it say that it should only be used externally. So I strongly doubt that Trump was making such statements based on any actual knowledge. I say that as a person as a person who has two chronic illnesses and know a fair bit about the various drugs used for the treatment of arthritis and such.

I get that and I acknowledge that.

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I get that and I acknowledge that.

It's a pretty substantial point to leave out to attempt to make Trump's nonsense sound more legitimate.

Kidchameleon

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

...

Great post. Here's a few more...


Hillary Clinton: "We came, we saw, he died!"

Joe Biden: "If you dont vote for me, you aint black!"

ohnonotgmail

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Great post. Here's a few more...


Hillary Clinton: "We came, we saw, he died!"

Joe Biden: "If you dont vote for me, you aint black!"

mourning the death of a dictator is just bizarre.

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Great post. Here's a few more...


Hillary Clinton: "We came, we saw, he died!"

And this all pales in contrast to how Trump has conducted himself in the last 4 years. He's used the presidency to divide the nation via his rhetoric. A Biden presidency is less divisive than this **** show carrying on.

Overheal

Kidchameleon wrote: »

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See, the difference here is what ohnotgmail posted is not only relevant, but new.

Hillary Clinton isn't in this race, at all. And the Joe Biden gaffe mentioned was already addressed not just in this thread, but another parallel thread specifically about him. Biden has already confronted those remarks and apologized for them. Which is the sort of thing normal presidents do, they take responsibility and accept accountability.

All this is, is you uncomfortable with the news cycle to the point of recycling old bits that have already run out of steam here to run deflection for Trump.

Kidchameleon

Overheal wrote: »

See, the difference here is what ohnotgmail posted is not only relevant, but new.

Hillary Clinton isn't in this race, at all. And the Joe Biden gaffe mentioned was already addressed not just in this thread, but another parallel thread specifically about him. Biden has already confronted those remarks and apologized for them. Which is the sort of thing normal presidents do, they take responsibility and accept accountability.

All this is, is you uncomfortable with the news cycle to the point of recycling old bits that have already run out of steam here to run deflection for Trump.

You missed my point. Everyone has gaffs / facepalm moments. The particular Trump clip in ohnotgmail's post is nothing at all to apologize for. Its just some out of context outtake footage.

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You missed my point. Everyone has gaffs / facepalm moments. The particular Trump clip in ohnotgmail's post is nothing at all to apologize for. Its just some out of context outtake footage.

The president of America boasting about a cognitive test from two years ago, it's not something to apologise for. But it's not exactly a sign of a person that I would trust with the presidency.... Then there's all the awful stuff he's said in the past 4 years. Can you show me a single point in the past 4 years where he hasn't tried to sew division?

Overheal

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You missed my point. Everyone has gaffs / facepalm moments. The particular Trump clip in ohnotgmail's post is nothing at all to apologize for. Its just some out of context outtake footage.

Nobody said gaffes were unique to Trump, now you're just strawmanning.

Nothing quoted is fake, unless you wish to prove otherwise.

Here's a longer clip of what Trump said, feel free to tell me if it is extenuating :rolleyes:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-describes-the-cognitive-test-he-took-in-great-detail-on-fox-news-i-have-a-good-memory-im-cognitively-there/

“It was 30, 35 questions. The First questions are very easy. The last questions are much more difficult. Like a memory question. It’s like you’ll go ‘person, woman, man, camera, TV.’ So they say could you repeat that? I said, yeah. ‘Person, woman, man, camera, TV.’ Okay, that’s very good. If you get it in order, you get extra points. Okay, now he’s asking you other questions, other questions. And then, 10 minutes, 15-20 minutes later, they say, remember the first question, not the first but the tenth question? Give us that again. Can you do that again? And you go, ‘Person, woman, man, camera, TV.’ If you get it in order, you get extra points. They said nobody gets it in order. It’s actually not that easy, but for me it was easy. That’s not an easy question. In other words, they ask it to you, they give you five names and you have to repeat ’em and that’s okay. If you repeat ’em out of order, it’s okay, but you know, it’s not as good. But then when you go back about 20, 25 minutes later and they say go back to that question — they don’t tell you this — go back to that question and repeat them. Can you do it? And you go, ‘Person, woman, man, camera, TV.’ They say that’s amazing. How did you do that? I do it because I have, like, a good memory. Because I’m cognitively there.”

Kidchameleon

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you show me a single point in the past 4 years where he hasn't tried to sew division?

What about his efforts with North Korea?

ohnonotgmail

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You missed my point. Everyone has gaffs / facepalm moments. The particular Trump clip in ohnotgmail's post is nothing at all to apologize for. Its just some out of context outtake footage.

How is it out of context? oh, btw, trump lied when he quoted that list of words. that list would never appear on the MOCA test. the words are too connected. He invented a list of words he thought he had a chance of remembering. things he would see in front of him during the interview. this is a more typical set of words taken from an actual MOCA test.

FACE VELVET CHURCH DAISY RED

5 totally unconnected words.

Kidchameleon

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

How is it out of context? oh, btw, trump lied when he quoted that list of words. that list would never appear on the MOCA test. the words are too connected. He invented a list of words he thought he had a chance of remembering. things he would see in front of him during the interview.

Perhaps I have misinterpreted the clip, if so I apologize. I'm going to review it later.

Overheal

Other posters are accurate: Ronny Jackson, the doctor Trump says administered the cognitive test, hasn't been his physician since March of 2018.

ohnonotgmail

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Perhaps I have misinterpreted the clip, if so I apologize. I'm going to review it later.

Gee, do you think.

Overheal

Kidchameleon wrote: »

What about his efforts with North Korea?

We've been over this.

Do you have any non-cyclical points to make?

Tell me how

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Indeed, I have already stated that I am not qualified to comment on medical issues such as this. I firmly believe that people are banging on and misrepresenting president Trumps disinfectant line due to the fact that they are desperately trying to make him look worse than he actually is. Clearly, if you apply logic to the situation, the president is not going to purposely suggest such a thing. Only an idiot would interpret what he said as a directive to inject bleach (a word he did not use btw) At the risk of looking soapboxy on this particular issue ill leave it at this...

Having done some research on the issue, it would appear that the intravenous use of disinfectant is not as crazy at one might think. "Eusol" is a disinfectant comprised of mainly Chlorine and it is normally used to treat skin wounds. Have a look in your first aid box, you may see the disinfectant skin wipes have it listed in their ingredients. Eusol has been used in the past intravenously to treat arthritis & septicemia.

The above is opinion

WARNING: CONSULT YOUR DOCTOR FOR MEDIAL ADVISE

There are some publications about using Eusol via injections. They all seem to be from around 1916. You and Donald can stick with medical knowledge from over 100 years ago, don't be offended if the rest of us don't join you.

Also, that laughable line about people desperately trying to make him look worse than he is. The holder of the single most important office in the world is bragging because he asked his Dr to give him a test to prove he had reasonable cognitive ability? Think about that.

Anyone who doesn't see that as anything other than incredibly cringeworthy, its probably because Donald is indeed smarter than them.

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

What about his efforts with North Korea?

What has he achieved? North Korea destroyed a liaison office shared by North and South Korea last month. Talks with the US also broke down last year. So the situation really has not changed.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/north-south-korea-tensions-1.5613637

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-49947836

In addition, I was referring to his constant sewing of division domestically. Although admittedly, he has managed to destroy the US international position as well.

Tell me how wrote: »

There are some publications about using Eusol via injections. They all seem to be from around 1916. You and Donald can stick with medical knowledge from over 100 years ago, don't be offended if the rest of us don't join you.

Also, that laughable line about people desperately trying to make him look worse than he is. The holder of the single most important office in the world is bragging because he asked his Dr to give him a test to prove he had reasonable cognitive ability? Think about that.

Anyone who doesn't see that as anything other than incredibly cringeworthy, its probably because Donald is indeed smarter than them.

Trump clearly has a specialised knowledge around journal entries in medicine from the early 20th century.

kowloon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

What about his efforts with North Korea?

You can argue they were distraction tactics. Either way, they resulted in nothing long-term and the DPRK has gone straight back to what they were doing with even more confidence.

Quin_Dub

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You missed my point. Everyone has gaffs / facepalm moments. The particular Trump clip in ohnotgmail's post is nothing at all to apologize for. Its just some out of context outtake footage.

Indeed they do , it's an entirely human thing to make mistakes.

However , despite all of the mistakes that Trump has made there isn't one example of Trump acknowledging a mistake or apologising for something - Not one.

When asked a while back about what he'd do differently with hindsight in relation to the Pandemic response he replied "Well, nothing. If you take New York and New Jersey -- which were very hard hit -- we were very, very low.... We've done, you know, amazingly well."

This was at a point when 94,000 people had died.

He'd change nothing , he was amazing.

Someone who fails to identify a single opportunity for improvement even in a seemingly perfect activity is fatally flawed as a leader and a human being, let alone one that fails to see things to fix when (at that point) 94,000 people are dead.

If everyone was like that , we'd all still be living in caves using sticks and rocks as tools.

Timberrrrrrrr

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Great post. Here's a few more...


Hillary Clinton: "We came, we saw, he died!"

Joe Biden: "If you dont vote for me, you aint black!"

Ah but they don't even come close to these, whats your thoughts on these mistakes from Trump? Dementia? Stupidity? Clueless?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9BXkQ-SRc

Overheal

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Indeed they do , it's an entirely human thing to make mistakes.

However , despite all of the mistakes that Trump has made there isn't one example of Trump acknowledging a mistake or apologising for something - Not one.

When asked a while back about what he'd do differently with hindsight in relation to the Pandemic response he replied "Well, nothing. If you take New York and New Jersey -- which were very hard hit -- we were very, very low.... We've done, you know, amazingly well."

This was at a point when 94,000 people had died.

He'd change nothing , he was amazing.

Someone who fails to identify a single opportunity for improvement even in a seemingly perfect activity is fatally flawed as a leader and a human being, let alone one that fails to see things to fix when (at that point) 94,000 people are dead.

If everyone was like that , we'd all still be living in caves using sticks and rocks as tools.

Who also just this week called WW1 and WW2 "two beautiful wars"

[insert graphic warfare images here]

ollkiller

Kidchameleon wrote: »

What about his efforts with North Korea?

If you're gonna change the point of conversation come back with something he did well. He was used like the biggest puppet you could ever find. You do know foreign policy is what Trump is worst at. He hasnt a clue how to play the game correctly.

Muahahaha

stolen from the You laugh you lose thread

Carfacemandog

Kidchameleon wrote: »

What about his efforts with North Korea?

He threatened them with nuclear war.