Flightshaming to London from Dublin

Sam Russell

easypazz wrote: »

It goes nearly all the way to the ferry terminal, not viable though for passenger traffic.

I think Dun Laoghaire is a better option if they ever sought to ramp up sail rail / foot passenger traffic.

The Luas goes as far as the point. Just 2 km short of the terminal.

purplepanda

Sam Russell wrote: »

The Luas goes as far as the point. Just 2 km short of the terminal.

It's still a very long walk from The Point, especially with luggage to the Ferry Terminals.

TERMINAL 1 – IRISH FERRIES – 46 min walk (3.7km)
TERMINAL 2 – STENA LINE – 39 min walk (3.2km)
TERMINAL 3 – P&O FERRIES – 9 min walk (750m) For Liverpool Ferry.

Are there any local Taxi's at The Point, I assume there must be demand with concerts & events?

https://www.dublinport.ie/tourism/getting-around/

easypazz

Sam Russell wrote: »

The Luas goes as far as the point. Just 2 km short of the terminal.

And before that there was a heavy rail link, and a passenger terminus station down the north wall, but it was all dug up and relaid as a tramway at a cost of billions.

Sam Russell

purplepanda wrote: »

It's still a very long walk from The Point, especially with luggage to the Ferry Terminals.

TERMINAL 1 – IRISH FERRIES – 46 min walk (3.7km)
TERMINAL 2 – STENA LINE – 39 min walk (3.2km)
TERMINAL 3 – P&O FERRIES – 9 min walk (750m) For Liverpool Ferry.

Are there any local Taxi's at The Point, I assume there must be demand with concerts & events?

https://www.dublinport.ie/tourism/getting-around/

I was thinking of them extending the Luas if there was demand. Obviously trams would only go to meet ferries.

Del.Monte

easypazz wrote: »

And before that there was a heavy rail link, and a passenger terminus station down the north wall, but it was all dug up and relaid as a tramway at a cost of billions.

This is post all over the place. The Luas Red line extension (C1) was not laid along the route of the original railway to the London & North Western Station Hotel and runs along the road from Busaras to the Point and cost circa €100 million IIRC not billions.

Thisonedone

easypazz wrote: »

I have a better idea.

Build a boat with 2 platforms down the middle.

Irish gauge train rolls in one side, UK gauge train waits across the platform.

People can just walk across the platform onto a UK gauge train, and do it while the ship is on the sea, so no time is wasted.

Simples.

Or what about:
Train goes onto ferry in Ireland
At Uk side, a crane lifts the train off ferry with the passengers inside it, and places the train on top of an adaptor so that it works on the UK lines

easypazz

Thisonedone wrote: »

Or what about:
Train goes onto ferry in Ireland
At Uk side, a crane lifts the train off ferry with the passengers inside it, and places the train on top of an adaptor so that it works on the UK lines

Or instead of a crane just drive the irish train onto the back of a uk train.

Same as you drive a car onto a pickup truck.

PhilOssophy

By the time you'd be done arsing around with a crane, you'd have the passengers all changed and be 1/2 way to London!

whisky_galore

easypazz wrote: »

Or instead of a crane just drive the irish train onto the back of a uk train.

Same as you drive a car onto a pickup truck.

Or what about not discussing pointless things that will never happen?

easypazz

whisky_galore wrote: »

Or what about not discussing pointless things that will never happen?

Use the ignore button if it causes you a problem:rolleyes:

bk

easypazz wrote: »

Or instead of a crane just drive the irish train onto the back of a uk train.

Same as you drive a car onto a pickup truck.

Unlikely to be possible due to the extra width, height and weight of the Irish train on top of it.

Even if you could, the resulting train would crawl to London due to being more like a heavy weight freight train then a light weight passenger train. You'd likely at least double the journey time!

If you want to talk about radical ideas that won't happen anyway. Then a better idea would be to build a HSR line to holyhead and connect it into the HS2 network. That would radically reduce overall journey times for even foot passengers off the ferry. Not that it will happen.

Lord Glentoran

bk wrote: »

Unlikely to be possible due to the extra width, height and weight of the Irish train on top of it.

Even if you could, the resulting train would crawl to London due to being more like a heavy weight freight train then a light weight passenger train. You'd likely at least double the journey time!

If you want to talk about radical ideas that won't happen anyway. Then a better idea would be to build a HSR line to holyhead and connect it into the HS2 network. That would radically reduce overall journey times for even foot passengers off the ferry. Not that it will happen.

I think you are forgetting that the British approach can be summed up as “our railway network is near capacity and we can’t build more motorways, so we’ll expand railway capacity”, while the Irish approach is “Mosherways, me buckos, and we’ll give some gravy to some shams as well”.

biko

thecretinhop wrote: »

flight shaming?? what clowns invented this??

Swedes of course, they also invented Greta

What is flygskam?
This Swedish word literally translates as “flight shame”. It’s the name of an anti-flying movement that originated in Sweden last year, which encourages people to stop taking flights to lower carbon emissions.

The idea was originally championed by Olympic athlete Bjorn Ferry and gained momentum after teenage activist Greta Thunberg’s mother, the opera singer Malena Ernman, publicly announced she would stop flying, with various Swedish celebrities following suit.

KevRossi

Let's start with the basics:
1. Extend the Sail & Rail option to France, Germany and Benelux. Start off at €60 each way and see how that works for 12 months.
2. Time trains and ferries to meet with each other in Holyhead, Pembroke, Fishguard and Rosslare.
3. Get a night train sorted from Holyhead to London and London to Holyhead

The idea of getting trains onto the Holyhead-Dublin ferry is pie in the sky stuff. Far cheaper to do something to make the transfer from train to boat and back to train a bit easier. Maybe have a train or Luas running to the port, but it's not the major issue right now.

Or you could have the shuttle bus on the ferry running straight to Busaras and on to Heuston.
At the moment you

1. get off the train in Holyhead,
2. you put the bags through a scanner,
3. the bags then go onto a van.
4. You get on a shuttle bus.
5. The van follows the shuttle bus onto the ferry.
6. In Dublin you get off the boat, take the shuttle bus to the ferry port and then
7. wait to get the bags off the carousel.
8. Then you wait for the Dublin Bus to the city centre.

Instead have this:

1. off the train in Holyhead,
2. scan bags, put them on a coach.
3. This coach brings you onto the boat.
4. In Dublin on the boat you get back on the same coach which drops people at Busaras/Connolly, O'Connell Bridge and Heuston.

cbreeze

KevRossi wrote: »

Let's start with the basics:
1. Extend the Sail & Rail option to France, Germany and Benelux. Start off at €60 each way and see how that works for 12 months.
2. Time trains and ferries to meet with each other in Holyhead, Pembroke, Fishguard and Rosslare.
3. Get a night train sorted from Holyhead to London and London to Holyhead

The idea of getting trains onto the Holyhead-Dublin ferry is pie in the sky stuff. Far cheaper to do something to make the transfer from train to boat and back to train a bit easier. Maybe have a train or Luas running to the port, but it's not the major issue right now.

Or you could have the shuttle bus on the ferry running straight to Busaras and on to Heuston.
At the moment you

1. get off the train in Holyhead,
2. you put the bags through a scanner,
3. the bags then go onto a van.
4. You get on a shuttle bus.
5. The van follows the shuttle bus onto the ferry.
6. In Dublin you get off the boat, take the shuttle bus to the ferry port and then
7. wait to get the bags off the carousel.
8. Then you wait for the Dublin Bus to the city centre.

Instead have this:

1. off the train in Holyhead,
2. scan bags, put them on a coach.
3. This coach brings you onto the boat.
4. In Dublin on the boat you get back on the same coach which drops people at Busaras/Connolly, O'Connell Bridge and Heuston.

I did the Victoria-bus-Holyhead-Ferry-bus home from London the year before last and it was totally demeaning. You had to drag your bags off the bus at Holyhead and entered a vast hall to have your bags, passport and self be examined by a bunch of shaven headed gauleiters wearing blue examination gloves before you were permitted to get back on the bus for the short trip to the boat. Mind you, I did not bring all my stuff with me - only the bag in the bus hold

Terrontress

It used to be possible to get a 6.50 Pendelino train from Euston, change at Chester, get on the Swift in Holyhead and be in Dublin Port for 1.30pm. I was able to get a 6am train from my local station

That cost £50, could be booked on the day, unlimited luggage, kids under 5 for free and was a very pleasant journey.

If I were flying at 11, I’d leave my local station at between 8 and 8.15, would be limited in luggage and have a much worse experience.

But somehow, the trains leave a bit later and the Swift leaves a bit earlier and they no longer meet. So you get a later train from Euston, more hanging about in Holyhead, a slower boat and into Dublin 8 hours later. It’s just not worth it.

trellheim

I think this argument about train ferries is silly with as we have a different gauge. ferry across the messina straits Italy/Sicily, yes, makes sense, but not here. . The best would be to extend the railway in Holyhead to where you get off the ferries to make it joined up again

Ubbquittious

First we had slutshaming, now we have flightshaming. Nobody is immune anymore. Daft world we are living in

whisky_galore

cbreeze wrote: »

You had to drag your bags off the bus at Holyhead and entered a vast hall to have your bags, passport and self be examined by a bunch of shaven headed gauleiters wearing blue examination gloves

Not that different to airport security then.
Did you expect movie star treatment?

easypazz

cbreeze wrote: »

I did the Victoria-bus-Holyhead-Ferry-bus home from London the year before last and it was totally demeaning. You had to drag your bags off the bus at Holyhead and entered a vast hall to have your bags, passport and self be examined by a bunch of shaven headed gauleiters wearing blue examination gloves before you were permitted to get back on the bus for the short trip to the boat. Mind you, I did not bring all my stuff with me - only the bag in the bus hold

I remember when there was minimal security checks.

This was at a time when the IRA were bringing truck bombs into central London via the ferry.

loyatemu

Ubbquittious wrote: »

First we had slutshaming, now we have flightshaming. Nobody is immune anymore. Daft world we are living in

as was explained above, no one is being shamed. It's about discussing alternative options for people who don't feel comfortable with the environmental cost of flying.

People keep mentioning Dun Laoghaire, the ferry there is gone, and is very unlikely to ever return. You might as well talk about Howth.

trellheim

Same for Rosslare ( train doesnt go into the port anymore ), Dun Laoighaire ( Ferry gone, and rail lines long lifted). on the other side

Holyhead - train doesnt go to the quayside anymore, Stranraer ferries now changed to Cairnryan which hasnt had a rail service since 1962
,
Dublin - rail line to the ferries is disused

Thisonedone

How much would a tunnel to France cost?

easypazz

Thisonedone wrote: »

How much would a tunnel to France cost?

Should be handy enough. Just lay a plastic tube from a ship onto the sea bed, stick people in little pods and vacuum them across, would only take minutes.

Thisonedone

easypazz wrote: »

Should be handy enough. Just lay a plastic tube from a ship onto the sea bed, stick people in little pods and vacuum them across, would only take minutes.

The boring company have been fairly quiet recently, are they making much progress? They claim they can tunnel at a fraction of the cost of the current crowd.

loyatemu

Thisonedone wrote: »

The boring company have been fairly quiet recently, are they making much progress? They claim they can tunnel at a fraction of the cost of the current crowd.

their recent demo involved sticking a Tesla car in a tube, so it's safe to say they haven't worked out all the technical issues yet.

machaseh

There will be a direct train from Amsterdam to London and back starting end of april, I saw on the Dutch news (article in Dutch so no use sharing it here).

That would mean I could take the direct bus to London and then the train.

Still that would take about 18 hours in total and would probably cost 5 to 10 times more than a return ticket on ryan air.

Lord Glentoran

machaseh wrote: »

There will be a direct train from Amsterdam to London and back starting end of april, I saw on the Dutch news (article in Dutch so no use sharing it here).

That would mean I could take the direct bus to London and then the train.

Still that would take about 18 hours in total and would probably cost 5 to 10 times more than a return ticket on ryan air.

Why in the name of Christ would you take the bus from Dublin to London instead of the train????

Johnny Sausage

purplepanda wrote: »

It's still a very long walk from The Point, especially with luggage to the Ferry Terminals.

TERMINAL 1 – IRISH FERRIES – 46 min walk (3.7km)
TERMINAL 2 – STENA LINE – 39 min walk (3.2km)
TERMINAL 3 – P&O FERRIES – 9 min walk (750m) For Liverpool Ferry.

Are there any local Taxi's at The Point, I assume there must be demand with concerts & events?

https://www.dublinport.ie/tourism/getting-around/

The P&O ferries to liverpool doesn't even take foot passengers

machaseh

Lord Glentoran wrote: »

Why in the name of Christ would you take the bus from Dublin to London instead of the train????

I could do that too, but then it would only be a bit quicker and a LOT more expensive.

For that price I could take KLM or Aer Lingus return in business class easily.