FE1 Exam Thread (Read 1st post!) NOTE: YOU MAY SWAP EXAM GRIDS

jhiutiug

Someone needs to put a post on their facebook or twitter page calling them out on the lack of respect they have shown fe1 candidates on this matter and get everyone to share the post. They won't be long giving us information then

Hazel774

Angela21 wrote: »

Totally agree. Treatment hasn't been great. If things are uncertain just tell us. But there is no communication

Honorary passes for all I say

Lol I second that

bkm2020

True. There was information released very quick after the journalist and TD replies...

nicolesd

Fe1Student20 wrote: »

They can't even provide any information for the upcoming exams, so I don't expect anyone to have any potential info on this, but has anyone who applied for re-checks of an August result heard anything from the LS with regard to potential dates of the new results being released?

apparently we will be informed this week of a date no information at this time Carmel Kearney who is an exam administrator told me today she told me she will call me back with an update today and also told me that friday i have no hope at this stage she told me their main focus right nowis the online exam!

nicolesd

123456789j wrote: »

Hi guys, would anyone have any condensed equity more which they could swap? I have tort or criminal. Would help big time with my workload![/QUOTE

if you get them i would love them too have loads of materials i can send !

Dliodoir2021

A lot of the online companies seem to be based in America. I couldn’t see any in Ireland. I’d imagine it would be set up in such a way that whoever is “supervising” would be able to work from home though and that this would affect us being able to sit the exams?

The only difference would be if the Law Society couldn’t (and this is the big one) get their phones and emails etc in order before they start! Could imagine them cancelling it the night before!!

SKLaw

Got this email from the LS just now

The November sitting of the FE-1 will be delivered using an online examinations system (Better Examinations) and Proctorio software. Visual and audio recordings will be taken as you sit the examination.

BETTER EXAMINATIONS
You will receive an email from Better Examinations shortly asking you to log on.
Please see Instructions on how to log on to Better Examinations

CHROME BROWSER
Our online exam system runs only on a Chrome browser, as previously advised.
If you already have a Chrome browser installed on the device you are going to use to
take the online FE-1 examination, please skip this step.
If you do not have Chrome installed on the device you are going to use to take the online FE-1 examination, please click on the link below to download the latest version of Chrome.
https://www.google.com/chrome/
The above website will automatically detect which Operating System you have on your device (i.e. Windows, Mac, Other) and will offer a download and instructions for the latest version of Chrome.

MOCK/PRACTICE EXAMINATION
Before the examination you may take a mock examination. In addition to familiarising yourself with the software, the mock examination also checks whether your hardware meets our Technical Requirements
Please ensure that you use the same laptop/device you will use for your examinations in November. This is important as you will be asked to download some software on to your device before the mock examination starts. This software only has to be installed once and you will not have to install it again for the November examinations.
If you are using a laptop/device provided by your employer please check that the security settings permit you to download software.

MOCK EXAMINATION TIMETABLE
There will be two test sittings of the same examination paper (Criminal Law) on Thursday 22 October, at 10.00am and 2.00pm. You can log on to either sitting.

The purpose of the mock examination is to allow you to familiarise yourself with the online examination and you can leave the examination at any time. Any answers you provide will not be marked.

FE1new

Update email guys

FINAL EXAMINATION – FIRST PART
NOVEMBER 2020
The November sitting of the FE-1 will be delivered using an online examinations
system (Better Examinations) and Proctorio software. Visual and audio recordings
will be taken as you sit the examination.

BETTER EXAMINATION
You will receive an email from Better Examinations shortly asking you to log on.
Please see Instructions on how to log on to Better Examinations

CHROME BROWSER
Our online exam system runs only on a Chrome browser, as previously advised.
If you already have a Chrome browser installed on the device you are going to use to
take the online FE-1 examination, please skip this step.
If you do not have Chrome installed on the device you are going to use to take the
online FE-1 examination, please click on the link below to download the latest
version of Chrome.
https://www.google.com/chrome/
The above website will automatically detect which Operating System you have on
your device (i.e. Windows, Mac, Other) and will offer a download and instructions for
the latest version of Chrome.

MOCK/PRACTICE EXAMINATION
Before the examination you may take a mock examination. In addition to familiarising
yourself with the software, the mock examination also checks whether your hardware
meets our Technical Requirements
Please ensure that you use the same laptop/device you will use for your
examinations in November. This is important as you will be asked to download some
software on to your device before the mock examination starts. This software only
has to be installed once and you will not have to install it again for the November
examinations.
If you are using a laptop/device provided by your employer please check that the
security settings permit you to download software.

MOCK EXAMINATION TIMETABLE
There will be two test sittings of the same examination paper (Criminal Law) on
Thursday 22 October, at 10.00am and 2.00pm. You can log on to either sitting.

The purpose of the mock examination is to allow you to familiarise yourself with the
online examination and you can leave the examination at any time. Any answers you
provide will not be marked.

DFMCD190384

nicolesd wrote: »

123456789j wrote: »

Hi guys, would anyone have any condensed equity more which they could swap? I have tort or criminal. Would help big time with my workload![/QUOTE

if you get them i would love them too have loads of materials i can send !

I would love condensed Equity also. I have loads of other topics and materials to share.

maggie95

Does anyone else think it's weird that the instruction video was only uploaded today?

i.e. I'm afraid this system hasn't been used before, or at least not widely, and there could be problems consequently

DFMCD190384

FE1new wrote: »

Update email guys

FINAL EXAMINATION – FIRST PART
NOVEMBER 2020
The November sitting of the FE-1 will be delivered using an online examinations
system (Better Examinations) and Proctorio software. Visual and audio recordings
will be taken as you sit the examination.

BETTER EXAMINATION
You will receive an email from Better Examinations shortly asking you to log on.
Please see Instructions on how to log on to Better Examinations

CHROME BROWSER
Our online exam system runs only on a Chrome browser, as previously advised.
If you already have a Chrome browser installed on the device you are going to use to
take the online FE-1 examination, please skip this step.
If you do not have Chrome installed on the device you are going to use to take the
online FE-1 examination, please click on the link below to download the latest
version of Chrome.
https://www.google.com/chrome/
The above website will automatically detect which Operating System you have on
your device (i.e. Windows, Mac, Other) and will offer a download and instructions for
the latest version of Chrome.

MOCK/PRACTICE EXAMINATION
Before the examination you may take a mock examination. In addition to familiarising
yourself with the software, the mock examination also checks whether your hardware
meets our Technical Requirements
Please ensure that you use the same laptop/device you will use for your
examinations in November. This is important as you will be asked to download some
software on to your device before the mock examination starts. This software only
has to be installed once and you will not have to install it again for the November
examinations.
If you are using a laptop/device provided by your employer please check that the
security settings permit you to download software.

MOCK EXAMINATION TIMETABLE
There will be two test sittings of the same examination paper (Criminal Law) on
Thursday 22 October, at 10.00am and 2.00pm. You can log on to either sitting.

The purpose of the mock examination is to allow you to familiarise yourself with the
online examination and you can leave the examination at any time. Any answers you
provide will not be marked.

Can we take this that the actual exams will be 4 hours instead of 3???

awsah

DFMCD190384 wrote: »

Can we take this that the exam will be 4 hours instead of 3???

I would make no assumptions, but surely they would have to extend time!

Hazel774

DFMCD190384 wrote: »

Can we take this that the actual exams will be 4 hours instead of 3???

Once again they leave us with more questions than answers...

maggie95

DFMCD190384 wrote: »

Can we take this that the actual exams will be 4 hours instead of 3???

I wouldn't think that's a guarantee just because the two mocks are 4 hours apart unfortunately..

Lallers96

DFMCD190384 wrote: »

Can we take this that the actual exams will be 4 hours instead of 3???

Um.. No obviously not

DFMCD190384

maggie95 wrote: »

I wouldn't think that's a guarantee just because the two mocks are 4 hours apart unfortunately..

Ah sorry, I read that part completely wrong. Apologies.

SKLaw

DFMCD190384 wrote: »

Can we take this that the actual exams will be 4 hours instead of 3???

I wouldn’t say so but surely they can give extra time if there’s been a delay or something

Hazel774

They still didn't give us any update on whether we can have a rough work sheet of paper beside us, if we print the exam paper, use the bathroom, will we have the option of handwriting the exam, etc.
They never even told us what time the actual exams are on at?

Seriously why are they spreading this information over so many different emails and announcements rather than just giving us all of the information at once, particularly when we're way past the point of them even giving us a fair amount of notice at this stage

Aoibhin511

if there's two mocks why not do two subjects, and make it actually bloody useful

Angela21

Hazel774 wrote: »

They still didn't give us any update on whether we can have a rough work sheet of paper beside us, if we print the exam paper, use the bathroom, will we have the option of handwriting the exam, etc.
They never even told us what time the actual exams are on at?

Seriously why are they spreading this information over so many different emails and announcements rather than just giving us all of the information at once, particularly when we're way past the point of them even giving us a fair amount of notice at this stage

Agreed so much time to wait only see what time the mock exam is that most people probably cannot make and its the real exam most actually care about for things like extra time and rough work

fe1fi20

Does anyone have the March 2020 equity paper? Or even able to list the topics that came out please

Lelila

123456789j wrote: »

Hi guys, would anyone have any condensed equity more which they could swap? I have tort or criminal. Would help big time with my workload!

i have condensed Equity revision notes. Send me a DM with your email address if you want them.

Lallers96

Why Criminal Law? It's a bit pointless me doing this mock exam now if I'm just going to log on and then just log out because I haven't studied Criminal Law

Lelila

lawgrad49 wrote: »

Hey Guys,

Looking for an up to date Company Manual (PDF Version) if anyone wants to trade or sell, drop me a PM.

Recently passed Tort & EU in August sittings so have those up to date manuals to trade. Cheers!

I have one from October 2019 if that's any good to you?

FE1_2020_

fe1fi20 wrote: »

Does anyone have the March 2020 equity paper? Or even able to list the topics that came out please

Q.1) Constructive Trusts - Essay on this 'New model constructive trust'
Q.2) Trustees Duties - Problem
Q.3) Mareva Or APO - Essay (Answer only one)
Q.4) Half Secret Trusts with Joint Accounts - Problem
Q.5) Undue Influence - Essay - 'Ensuring that independent legal advice is given'
Q.6) Charities - Problem
Q.7) Case Note

- The exceptional categories in which non-charitable purpose trusts may be enforced
- The principles governing the distribution of surplus funds
- Quistclose trusts

Q.8) Estoppel - Essay - 'Consider how Irish Courts have adopted the test of "Unconscionability"

desk404

I am not at all happy at how the Law Society has decided to roll out 'proctoring' software without providing us with any information about the nature of this software product.

The chosen proctoring software is Proctorio (based in the US). BetterExaminations (based in Ireland) provides the platform to do each of the exams and Proctorio provides its software to add on the supervised element.

It works by recording the student's video and audio during the exam, their screen, records an ID and, depending on the settings used, requests the student to show the webcam around the room prior to the exam.

The key part of the Proctorio software is that it tracks the student's eye movements and using machine learning generates a score to predict the likelihood that the student is cheating. For example, if it detects the students eyes constantly moving away it will generate a higher score, suggesting that perhaps the student is cheating.

Much of this has yet to be explained by the Law Society to us. It gives rise to several concerns:

- Who has access to video and audio recordings? Is it just the Law Society?
- How long will that personal data be stored for?
- Will examiners interpret results from Proctorio's assessment? What is considered acceptable eye movement?
- Has the Law Society received adequate assurances from the company after the CEO of Proctorio apologised after posting the content of student support messages on Reddit? (Article on The Guardian's website (1st July 2020) 'CEO of exam monitoring software Proctorio apologises for posting student's chat logs on Reddit')
- At what point did we consent to handing over personal data (email address and other info) to either of these companies?
- Is our data being stored inside or outside the EU?

While it is understandable that the Law Society has had to come to some sort of workable solution during the pandemic, it is unfortunate that students are required to surrender aspects of their privacy in pursuit of maintaining the "integrity" of exams. This is the only way to enter the profession and it is a shame that students need to agree to this. If someone prefers the traditional exam format and wishes to delay, they may end up delaying or forfeiting their training contract. Moreover with only 15 days to the first exam, we have not been made aware of any of these privacy implications.

bkm2020

FE1new wrote: »

Update email guys

FINAL EXAMINATION – FIRST PART
NOVEMBER 2020
The November sitting of the FE-1 will be delivered using an online examinations
system (Better Examinations) and Proctorio software. Visual and audio recordings
will be taken as you sit the examination.

BETTER EXAMINATION
You will receive an email from Better Examinations shortly asking you to log on.
Please see Instructions on how to log on to Better Examinations

CHROME BROWSER
Our online exam system runs only on a Chrome browser, as previously advised.
If you already have a Chrome browser installed on the device you are going to use to
take the online FE-1 examination, please skip this step.
If you do not have Chrome installed on the device you are going to use to take the
online FE-1 examination, please click on the link below to download the latest
version of Chrome.
https://www.google.com/chrome/
The above website will automatically detect which Operating System you have on
your device (i.e. Windows, Mac, Other) and will offer a download and instructions for
the latest version of Chrome.

MOCK/PRACTICE EXAMINATION
Before the examination you may take a mock examination. In addition to familiarising
yourself with the software, the mock examination also checks whether your hardware
meets our Technical Requirements
Please ensure that you use the same laptop/device you will use for your
examinations in November. This is important as you will be asked to download some
software on to your device before the mock examination starts. This software only
has to be installed once and you will not have to install it again for the November
examinations.
If you are using a laptop/device provided by your employer please check that the
security settings permit you to download software.

MOCK EXAMINATION TIMETABLE
There will be two test sittings of the same examination paper (Criminal Law) on
Thursday 22 October, at 10.00am and 2.00pm. You can log on to either sitting.

The purpose of the mock examination is to allow you to familiarise yourself with the
online examination and you can leave the examination at any time. Any answers you
provide will not be marked.

desk404 wrote: »

I am not at all happy at how the Law Society has decided to roll out 'proctoring' software without providing us with any information about the nature of this software product.

The chosen proctoring software is Proctorio (based in the US). BetterExaminations (based in Ireland) provides the platform to do each of the exams and Proctorio provides its software to add on the supervised element.

It works by recording the student's video and audio during the exam, their screen, records an ID and, depending on the settings used, requests the student to show the webcam around the room prior to the exam.

The key part of the Proctorio software is that it tracks the student's eye movements and using machine learning generates a score to predict the likelihood that the student is cheating. For example, if it detects the students eyes constantly moving away it will generate a higher score, suggesting that perhaps the student is cheating.

Much of this has yet to be explained by the Law Society to us. It gives rise to several concerns:

- Who has access to video and audio recordings? Is it just the Law Society?
- How long will that personal data be stored for?
- Will examiners interpret results from Proctorio's assessment? What is considered acceptable eye movement?
- Has the Law Society received adequate assurances from the company after the CEO of Proctorio apologised after posting the content of student support messages on Reddit? (Article on The Guardian's website (1st July 2020) 'CEO of exam monitoring software Proctorio apologises for posting student's chat logs on Reddit')

While it is understandable that the Law Society has had to come to some sort of workable solution during the pandemic, it is unfortunate that students are required to surrender aspects of their privacy in pursuit of maintaining the "integrity" of exams. This is the only way to enter the profession and it is a shame that students need to agree to this. If someone prefers the traditional exam format and wishes to delay, they may end up delaying or forfeiting their training contract. Moreover with only 15 days to the first exam, we have not been made aware of any of these privacy implications.

uh the eye movement thing kind of alludes to not being able to have paper and a pen beside us then doesn't it...? The whole thing is just so poorly communicated. It is very disheartening at this stage

maggie95

desk404 wrote: »

I am not at all happy at how the Law Society has decided to roll out 'proctoring' software without providing us with any information about the nature of this software product.

The chosen proctoring software is Proctorio (based in the US). BetterExaminations (based in Ireland) provides the platform to do each of the exams and Proctorio provides its software to add on the supervised element.

It works by recording the student's video and audio during the exam, their screen, records an ID and, depending on the settings used, requests the student to show the webcam around the room prior to the exam.

The key part of the Proctorio software is that it tracks the student's eye movements and using machine learning generates a score to predict the likelihood that the student is cheating. For example, if it detects the students eyes constantly moving away it will generate a higher score, suggesting that perhaps the student is cheating.

Much of this has yet to be explained by the Law Society to us. It gives rise to several concerns:

- Who has access to video and audio recordings? Is it just the Law Society?
- How long will that personal data be stored for?
- Will examiners interpret results from Proctorio's assessment? What is considered acceptable eye movement?
- Has the Law Society received adequate assurances from the company after the CEO of Proctorio apologised after posting the content of student support messages on Reddit? (Article on The Guardian's website (1st July 2020) 'CEO of exam monitoring software Proctorio apologises for posting student's chat logs on Reddit')
- At what point did we consent to handing over personal data (email address and other info) to either of these companies?
- Is our data being stored inside or outside the EU?

While it is understandable that the Law Society has had to come to some sort of workable solution during the pandemic, it is unfortunate that students are required to surrender aspects of their privacy in pursuit of maintaining the "integrity" of exams. This is the only way to enter the profession and it is a shame that students need to agree to this. If someone prefers the traditional exam format and wishes to delay, they may end up delaying or forfeiting their training contract. Moreover with only 15 days to the first exam, we have not been made aware of any of these privacy implications.

From what I've seen Proctorio doesn't allow for bathroom breaks either... unless the Law Society themselves schedule a break..

maggie95

maggie95 wrote: »

From what I've seen Proctorio doesn't allow for bathroom breaks either... unless the Law Society themselves schedule a break..

But it does seem that it's GDPR compliant https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/amsterdam-district-court-decides-in-favor-of-proctorio-and-uva-1029302320#

tommytimber

This has probably been asked before, but what topics are people covering for Company? Really struggling to cut things down