Greta Thunberg (Continued...)

gozunda

Tell me how wrote: »

You seem to have 3 points in this post.

The Paris Accord is intended to limit mankinds impact (via emissions) on the environment as science as firmly indicated needs to happen. You can play conspiracy theory about who is benefiting or what other dark forces are at play, it doesn't remove the fact that action is needed.

Unfortunately, we have seen that taxes are something which is often required before meaningful action starts to happen. The costs associated both encourage people to seek alternative routes to spend less money or to realise that they don't need to be as wasteful as they have been. Money focuses the mind, pure and simple. I don't buy in to the not wanting people to live in rural Ireland is any bigger an issue here than it is in the general scheme of things in a Dublin centric country. Someone else roundly dismissed in her views on climate action was Saoirse McHugh from Mayo who strongly advocated for support for rural Ireland and yet, she is a focus for derision for many.

Whatever the energy source, consistency of supply is an issue. No one is advocating that at acceptable solution is one where there is an expectation of frequent black outs due to absence of wind but that where possible, the wind which is available is utilised.

As for the issues with combinations of supplies etc, yes, we are still transitioning to a cleaner method, some countries are ahead of others and there will be lessons learned and improvements and efficiencies as this continues.

I would have thought it was obvious why large tech companies are getting involved in wind projects. Their data farms use large amounts of power, and demonstrating support for greener projects to supply this is in everyone's interest.

Now, what is key for me here is that you are now talking about the issues and efficiencies of alternative solutions rather than whether action is needed or not and as such I take it you have accepted there is a need for action. If so, I hope to continue to see conversation around ideas and solutions instead of dismissal and ridicule for someone trying to bring about the change that is needed.

Absolutley no idea why you keep barking up this particular tree tbh.

As detailed many times by many posters - those commenting on the topic of the thread are patently not under any obligation to satisfy anyones apparent need for 'solutions'. Regardless of how much you may want everyone to a fully paid up member of gretas fan club - It's not going to happen.

gozunda

Tell me how wrote: »

Taken straight from the 'Don't challenge my statements' school of debate. On a discussion board no less.

Haha - nope - That was an observation on your previous comment. Which I further clarrified after you said you didn't understand it.

So what you now are saying is that no ones allowed to comment or challenge what you say or point out the lack of logic?

And yes this is a "discussion' forum.

But yes gretas previous absence from mainstream education is a relevant issue to the thread imo. However for some reason you don't seem to believe it is important. Odd that no

Dr. Bre

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Also a sheet 4 times the size of the UK looks like it may break off antartica soon

https://www.thejournal.ie/antartica-ice-platform-at-risk-of-collapse-5187157-Aug2020/

I'm sure it's all part of a natural cycle

Too late we are screwed . Might as well carry on as normal

gozunda

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Also a sheet 4 times the size of the UK looks like it may break off antartica soon

https://www.thejournal.ie/antartica-ice-platform-at-risk-of-collapse-5187157-Aug2020/

I'm sure it's all part of a natural cycle

Ah now were you drunk monk or something reading that lol? That's not what it says at all. It reads more of a publicity piece to garner research money tbh.

This is extracted text of the article

Antarctica ice platform nearly four times size of UK ‘at risk of collapse’

A new study suggests that more than 900,000 square kilometres of floating ice shelves could split if fractures on their surface are submerged....

He said: “We’ve seen in the past that the sudden collapse of ice shelves can trigger rapid acceleration of the glaciers that flow into them, and, in turn, sea-level rise...

We have found that stresses within vast sections of Antarctica’s ice shelves are sufficiently large that they could collapse if, as climate models predict, surface melting increases substantially in coming years...

“We hope our use of machine learning is a first step towards further applications of AI [artificial intelligence] in the analysis of the ever-growing quantity of data from the polar regions.”

What they seem to be saying is that this could possibly happen and we're doing research into it atm. Good publicity for the researchers I reckon.

Tea drinker

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Too late we are screwed . Might as well carry on as normal

I knew I shouldn't put an extra sod on the fire last week. What have I done :eek:

Paddygreen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm not fully educated on the climate change issue, but regardless, I've always felt a bit sorry for her. She's obviously being used by others to push a particular agenda. A 16 year old with PR team, speechwriters etc... comes across as disingenuous and exploitive.

She is a grassroots activist that has captured the concerns of a scary, terrifying world on the verge of extinction. This time last year was a golden period for climate issues. Greta was our hope, our future. Now in the Covid 19 Emergency it seems like our Climate hopes and goals are getting sidetracked. If only the two could merge into the ultimate game changer.

Paddygreen

Paddygreen wrote: »

She is a grassroots activist that has captured the concerns of a scary, terrifying world on the verge of extinction. This time last year was a golden period for climate issues. Greta was our hope, our future. Now in the Covid 19 Emergency it seems like our Climate hopes and goals are getting sidetracked. If only the two could merge into the ultimate game changer.

From a purely cynical perspective, a 16 year old was a lot more marketable / publicity-friendly than an 18 year old adult. I think Greta's ship has sailed, if you'll excuse the pun. She'll never regain the level of exposure and coverage she had last year.

Truthvader

Deleted User wrote: »

From a purely cynical perspective, a 16 year old was a lot more marketable / publicity-friendly than an 18 year old adult. I think Greta's ship has sailed, if you'll excuse the pun. She'll never regain the level of exposure and coverage she had last year.

Yep agree she is over. A "cute" kid with a "message" floating on a sea of cash from various backers was marketable but she is now passing over to realm of the crazy lady. In about 5 years she will be living alone with cats and her house will be pointed out to tourists "Do you remember Gretta ......?"

Paddygreen

Paddygreen wrote: »

She is a grassroots activist that has captured the concerns of a scary, terrifying world on the verge of extinction. This time last year was a golden period for climate issues. Greta was our hope, our future. Now in the Covid 19 Emergency it seems like our Climate hopes and goals are getting sidetracked. If only the two could merge into the ultimate game changer.

You honestly think a snotty nosed kid with no respect for people in positions of authority was our hope and future?

She's gone back to school where she always should have been and is a spent force (or puff of wind)

Edgware

Truthvader wrote: »

Yep agree she is over. A "cute" kid with a "message" floating on a sea of cash from various backers was marketable but she is now passing over to realm of the crazy lady. In about 5 years she will be living alone with cats and her house will be pointed out to tourists "Do you remember Gretta ......?"

A bit like the " I didn't do it " kid and Jedward

drunkmonkey

SouthWesterly wrote: »

She's gone back to school where she always should have been and is a spent force (or puff of wind)

She's back protesting again, school didn't last long. Could do with a few steaks she's awfully thin.

Quantum Erasure

Edgware wrote: »

A bit like the " I didn't do it " kid and Jedward

Jedward are back in vogue, didn't they have a song about rising sea levels as well, something about the waterline....

Madeleine Birchfield

Greta doesn't understand that it is already too late to do anything about abrupt climate change. The terrible effects of abrupt climate change that many scientists predicted won't happen until the end of the century are currently happening in 2020 as we speak right now.

Maybe if Greta has a time machine and went back to 1970 and started protesting there, she would be more successful in her efforts to stop climate change.

Paddygreen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PH72d26KTI

Pa ElGrande

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

Maybe if Greta has a time machine and went back to 1970 and started protesting there, she would be more successful in her efforts to stop climate change.

1970?? What a lack of imagination she would only prevent ABBA. Just imagine a world with no "Dancing Queen". If she had a time machine then she should go back where it started 20,000 years ago when it was supposedly 6C cooler and prevent man using fire.

Quantum Erasure

July 19th?

briany

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Too late we are screwed. Might as well carry on as normal

It's amazing that some people can adopt a fatalist attitude to an existential thing like climate change rendering the Earth uninhabitable but take things like eating clean and exercise so seriously. Shur, if we're all here for a good time, not a long time, like...

If someone smokes themselves into an early grave, that person is considered reckless, weak or stupid. But if a species creates their collective demise despite decades of warnings and decades of opportunity to organise and do something about it, that's par for the course?

Thelonious Monk

briany wrote: »

It's amazing that some people can adopt a fatalist attitude to an existential thing like climate change rendering the Earth uninhabitable but take things like eating clean and exercise so seriously. Shur, if we're all here for a good time, not a long time, like...

If someone smokes themselves into an early grave, that person is considered reckless, weak or stupid. But if a species creates their collective demise despite decades of warnings and decades of opportunity to organise and do something about it, that's par for the course?

When you see this kind of thing happening, it's hard to believe we're not just going to wreck the planet

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40040225.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Paddygreen

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

When you see this kind of thing happening, it's hard to believe we're not just going to wreck the planet

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40040225.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Just because people in Norway want to eat cheese, absolutely sickening. Why can’t Norway make its own cheese? I know it’s cold and Norwegians can afford not to care where their cheese comes from. We need to ban the export of goods to countries that are perfectly capable of making those products themselves. That said, do we even need things like bananas anyway? Do you eat bananas? I gave up eating bananas because I couldn’t justify eating fruit grown thousands of miles away, every time I sliced a banana into my organic porridge I gagged thinking about the CO2 released, just so I could indulge in exotic fruit. Mangos too, off my smoothie list. Still on the tofu but I need some form of protein to survive. Seasonal smoothies are the way to go, had an Irish grown organic cabbage and onion smoothie yesterday morning, it was actually alright.

Dr. Bre

Paddygreen wrote: »

Just because people in Norway want to eat cheese, absolutely sickening. Why can’t Norway make its own cheese? I know it’s cold and Norwegians can afford not to care where their cheese comes from. We need to ban the export of goods to countries that are perfectly capable of making those products themselves. That said, do we even need things like bananas anyway? Do you eat bananas? I gave up eating bananas because I couldn’t justify eating fruit grown thousands of miles away, every time I sliced a banana into my organic porridge I gagged thinking about the CO2 released, just so I could indulge in exotic fruit. Mangos too, off my smoothie list. Still on the tofu but I need some form of protein to survive. Seasonal smoothies are the way to go, had an Irish grown organic cabbage and onion smoothie yesterday morning, it was actually alright.

Stick to the caviar Paddy!

RandomViewer

Paddygreen wrote: »

Just because people in Norway want to eat cheese, absolutely sickening. Why can’t Norway make its own cheese? I know it’s cold and Norwegians can afford not to care where their cheese comes from. We need to ban the export of goods to countries that are perfectly capable of making those products themselves. That said, do we even need things like bananas anyway? Do you eat bananas? I gave up eating bananas because I couldn’t justify eating fruit grown thousands of miles away, every time I sliced a banana into my organic porridge I gagged thinking about the CO2 released, just so I could indulge in exotic fruit. Mangos too, off my smoothie list. Still on the tofu but I need some form of protein to survive. Seasonal smoothies are the way to go, had an Irish grown organic cabbage and onion smoothie yesterday morning, it was actually alright.

No problems with the 2 metre rule around you,

Paddygreen

RandomViewer wrote: »

No problems with the 2 metre rule around you,

“Norwegian” Jarlsberg cheese, which is one of the best selling cheeses in Norway is actually made in Cork. Go figure. Should we tolerate pollution because Norwegians want cheese that they couldn’t be bothered making for themselves? My Extinction Rebellion crew and I are looking for protest targets and I have suggested the Jarlsberg cheese factory in Cork and the Norwegian embassy in Dublin. Thanks Tmonk for raising awareness.

RandomViewer

Paddygreen wrote: »

“Norwegian” Jarlsberg cheese, which is one of the best selling cheeses in Norway is actually made in Cork. Go figure. Should we tolerate pollution because Norwegians want cheese that they couldn’t be bothered making for themselves? My Extinction Rebellion crew and I are looking for protest targets and I have suggested the Jarlsberg cheese factory in Cork and the Norwegian embassy in Dublin. Thanks Tmonk for raising awareness.

Huh? Are you saying you smell of cheese?

Paddygreen

RandomViewer wrote: »

Huh? Are you saying you smell of cheese?

Nowhere did I say I smell like cheese. I sponge bath every few days to save water and at no time does my BO exceed what is acceptable. No one has ever made remarks about how I smell. Can you explain to me why it is acceptable that Norwegians think it is ok to eat “Norwegian” cheese that is made in Cork? Let them make their own cheese. Now that it’s getting warmer near the Artic Circle that shouldn’t be an issue.

Paddygreen

Paddygreen wrote: »

Nowhere did I say I smell like cheese. I sponge bath every few days to save water and at no time does my BO exceed what is acceptable. No one has ever made remarks about how I smell. Can you explain to me why it is acceptable that Norwegians think it is ok to eat “Norwegian” cheese that is made in Cork? Let them make their own cheese. Now that it’s getting warmer near the Artic Circle that shouldn’t be an issue.

Your posts smell of something more pungent than cheese, and it's piling up.

Paddygreen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Your posts smell of something more pungent than cheese, and it's piling up.

What you smell is Climate Action. A smell that is repulsive to Facists and the capitalist oligarchs that fund them. Expect more Climate Truth flash mobs near you in the near future now that our third level scholars are back on the beat. Our activists are about to select another gear. Seriously considering gluing myself to the Norwegian embassy.

Tell me how

Paddygreen wrote: »

What you smell is Climate Action. A smell that is repulsive to Facists and the capitalist oligarchs that fund them. Expect more Climate Truth flash mobs near you in the near future now that our third level scholars are back on the beat. Our activists are about to select another gear. Seriously considering gluing myself to the Norwegian embassy.

And while any activists are out there trying to raise awareness, you'll be hidden away in your bedroom, furiously expressing a nonsensical brand of outrage via an anonymous account on the internet.

If I had a child, I know which way I'd like them to end up.

Paddygreen

Paddygreen wrote: »

What you smell is Climate Action. A smell that is repulsive to Facists and the capitalist oligarchs that fund them. Expect more Climate Truth flash mobs near you in the near future now that our third level scholars are back on the beat. Our activists are about to select another gear. Seriously considering gluing myself to the Norwegian embassy.

And I will propose the embassy of Norway be located to a submarine

biko

Tell me how wrote: »

Which do you think is worse, governments signing up to the Paris Accord and then doing next to nothing to promote activities which will help their countries meet the targets set out within or Greta 'playing truant'?

Greta could easily have done her protesting on her own time, or used her parent's wealth to promote her cause.
Instead she broke Swedish law.

I suppose you're a "the end justifies the means" kinda guy?

RandomViewer

Paddygreen wrote: »

Nowhere did I say I smell like cheese. I sponge bath every few days to save water and at no time does my BO exceed what is acceptable. No one has ever made remarks about how I smell. Can you explain to me why it is acceptable that Norwegians think it is ok to eat “Norwegian” cheese that is made in Cork? Let them make their own cheese. Now that it’s getting warmer near the Artic Circle that shouldn’t be an issue.

This country depends on exports, no exports no money to put fuel in Mammys X5 to take you to whatever protest is flavour of the week,