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Airport alert as lethal coronavirus on our doorstep

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    #92
    bren2001
    Registered Users Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    I doubt there are stats.

    Millions of people in Asia wearing them as a precaution, can they all be misled or wrong?

    I'm guessing a paper face mask would provide some protection. Maybe goggles too?

    They are indeed all wrong but they are not being misled, they're told it's effectively useless. The N95 mask prevents inhaling particles as small as 0.3 microns in size. The corona-virus is 0.12 microns in diameter i.e. the holes in the mask are a little over twice the size of the virus itself.

    The main reason people in China wear masks is air pollution. The have an air pollution forecast in the same way we have a weather forecast. Obviously, a second reason they wear it is to stop the spread of viruses but it is ineffective against the corona-virus.


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    #93
    circadian
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    Apparently surgical masks are much more effective than the N95 masks that people are using.


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    #94
    Duke of Url
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    Add a set of goggles to your list as its just as possible to be infected via your eys as it is your mouth, just wearing a face mask really doesn't reduce infection chance at all.

    Might as well go full wack

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    #95
    RebelButtMunch
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    circadian wrote: »
    Apparently surgical masks are much more effective than the N95 masks that people are using.

    I thought that *usually* the people wearing masks are the one's that are under the weather and are trying to stop spreading whatever they have.


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    #96
    Fakediamond
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    I heard an epidemiologist on channel 4 news saying he’s never been more concerned about a virus. He said China will do a good job in containing it there because they use authoritarian means to control their population, but he’s not so confident about other countries being successful in containing it once it spreads beyond China.

    Oh, and those masks are of no use whatsoever. The only way to avoid it is to stay home, close schools etc. obviously that only becomes necessary when it starts to spread in a population. Best to stock up the freezer just in case :D


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    #97
    smelly sock
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    How many of the 1.386 billion people in china are infected or have been killed?


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    #98
    circadian
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    RebelButtMunch wrote: »
    I thought that *usually* the people wearing masks are the one's that are under the weather and are trying to stop spreading whatever they have.

    Generally yes it's more a case of someone not wanting to spread their cold or whatever. It's not a bad idea but thinking it'll stop you from getting this virus or others is misguided.


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    #99
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    smelly sock wrote: »
    How many of the 1.386 billion people in china are infected or have been killed?
    2% (maybe slightly higher) fatality rate (still too early so be certain on this).
    With a daily increase of 150% or 1.5 figure (official figures from state gov, so add some salt). So lets do the maths to calculate.

    2000
    3000 (end of yesterday)
    4500 expected at end of today
    6750
    10125
    15187
    22781
    34170
    51257
    76886 for this time next Monday...


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    #100
    VinLieger
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    Jayden Hollow Sarcasm wrote: »
    2% (maybe slightly higher) fatality rate (still too early so be certain on this).
    With a daily increase of 150% or 1.5 figure (official figures from state gov, so add some salt). So lets do the maths to calculate.

    2000
    3000 (end of yesterday)
    4500 expected at end of today
    6750
    10125
    15187
    22781
    34170
    51257
    76886 for this time next Monday...


    The current theoretical infectious figure is actually 2.5


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    #101
    De Danann
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    I read somewhere that the cotton masks are pretty useless. The surgical masks are a little better but supposedly their main benefit is to reduce the amount of contact your hands have with your face.

    We touch our faces on average just over 3 times per hour. The mask reduces the amount of germs being spread between our face and objects/others around us because our hands aren't directly touching our noses/mouth as often.


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    #102
    RandomName2
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    Bryce Numerous Comedy wrote: »
    Remember when Ebola was going to kill us all? Or SARS? Or Swine Flu? Mass hysteria as usual and the media are loving it. Wait until this illness becomes boring and you won't hear anything more about it. Live your life, relax and don't believe the sensationalist nonsense out there..

    SARS could easily have killed 10s of millions if it hadn't been contained. Ebola could kill billions. If you get ebola it's a coin toss if you will survive, and any bodily contact with someone with ebola (or bodily contact with any liquid from a person with ebola) can pass it on.

    The fact that these things were contained is testament to incredible work performed by the World Health Organization.


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    #103
    Hamsterchops
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    Question; Am I correct in saying that the effects of Coronavirus would be the same as a bad dose of the flu? In other words it won't kill you unless you're elderly, infirm or bedridden with another illness.. healthy people survive alright?

    Just asking...


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    #104
    circadian
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    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Question; Am I correct in saying that the effects of Corona virus would be the same as a bad dose of the flu? In other words it won't kill you unless you're elderly, infirm or bedridden work another illness.. healthy people survive alright?

    Just asking...

    I've read that the onset isn't what you'd expect from a cold or flu, more of a dry cough and high temperature and sometimes little to no symptoms at until until a fever sets in.


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    #105
    VinLieger
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    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Question; Am I correct in saying that the effects of Coronavirus would be the same as a bad dose of the flu? In other words it won't kill you unless you're elderly, infirm or bedridden with another illness.. healthy people survive alright?

    Just asking...


    We really don't know yet which is why some people are justifiably worried as its infectiousness along with a 14 day undetectable incubation when it could also be infectious (this is currently being questioned) could be catastrophic if its mortality rate is anything close to SARS at 10%


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    #106
    RandomName2
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    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Question; Am I correct in saying that the effects of Coronavirus would be the same as a bad dose of the flu? In other words it won't kill you unless you're elderly, infirm or bedridden with another illness.. healthy people survive alright?

    Just asking...

    flu is quite an unpleasant virus and kills about 0.45% of people it infects. Coronavirus seems to have a lethality rate of 2%, making it (at face value) about 4 times as deadly.


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    #107
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    RandomName2 wrote: »
    flu is quite an unpleasant virus and kills about 0.45% of people it infects. Coronavirus seems to have a lethality rate of 2%, making it (at face value) about 4 times as deadly.


    Other figures suggest seasonal flu only kills 0.1% (one per thousand).
    Some figures for this type of coronavirus range from 2-3%.
    About x20 more deadly, esp considering there is no vax for it.


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    #108
    MadYaker
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    It doesn't sound great!



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    #109
    maninasia
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    RandomName2 wrote: »
    SARS could easily have killed 10s of millions if it hadn't been contained. Ebola could kill billions. If you get ebola it's a coin toss if you will survive, and any bodily contact with someone with ebola (or bodily contact with any liquid from a person with ebola) can pass it on.

    The fact that these things were contained is testament to incredible work performed by the World Health Organization.

    The WHO didn't help Taiwan when it was fighting the SARS epidemic and still doesn't allow Taiwan even observe the meetings. The WHO is not so great....


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    #110
    tonysopprano
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    56 million Chinese now quarantined/banned from travel and international eyes now looking at the 3 military bio-labs in Wuhan

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



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    #111
    VinLieger
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    maninasia wrote: »
    The WHO didn't help Taiwan when it was fighting the SARS epidemic and still doesn't allow Taiwan even observe the meetings. The WHO is not so great....

    Well thats because China put pressure on the WHO to always exclude taiwan


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    #112
    smelly sock
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    RandomName2 wrote: »
    flu is quite an unpleasant virus and kills about 0.45% of people it infects. Coronavirus seems to have a lethality rate of 2%, making it (at face value) about 4 times as deadly.

    Experts reckon about 3 times more people are infected with the coronavirus than official figures sughest. Thus significantly lowering the fatality percentage.


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    #113
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    smelly sock wrote: »
    Experts reckon about 3 times more people are infected with the coronavirus than official figures sughest. Thus significantly lowering the fatality percentage.
    Many clinicians in China have also signed off the 'cause of death' not as coronavirus, but as common/seasonal flu, therefore simply 'organ failure' or 'bacterial pneumonia' (which is the end result of the virus for some).

    Thus significantly increasing the actual fatality percentage.


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    #114
    Cheerful Spring2
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    RandomName2 wrote: »
    flu is quite an unpleasant virus and kills about 0.45% of people it infects. Coronavirus seems to have a lethality rate of 2%, making it (at face value) about 4 times as deadly.

    Virus harms the human lungs and be bad for the youthful children still developing and the very elderly. Plus, your body has to readjust to this new virus and fight back with antibodies that can get rid of the pathogen. I still alarmed to see Chinese people walking around with no gloves, when the virus could be on shop packaging and outdoor and indoor surfaces. if someone with the pathogen sneezed and coughed, the pathogen easily be left behind for someone else to touch with their hands. Virus it not going to just jump up and attack you. It likely got transferred by touch.


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    #115
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Virus harms the human lungs and be bad for the youthful children still developing and the very elderly. Plus, your body has to readjust to this new virus and fight back with antibodies that can get rid of the pathogen. I still alarmed to see Chinese people walking around with no gloves, when the virus could be on shop packaging and outdoor and indoor surfaces. if someone with the pathogen sneezed and coughed, the pathogen easily be left behind for someone else to touch with their hands. Virus it not going to just jump up and attack you. It likely got transferred by touch.
    With new strong variants of regular seasonal flu, the often say the young healthy are at risk (due to no previous immunity). However this is novel, so unlikely anyone has immunity.

    As far as surfaces, read somewhere a (5sec) blast of a basic 'UVC' torch/lamp/headlight will kill the dna of all viruses, germs or bacteria*.
    * Might require a virologist to confirm the usefulness of UVC light.


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    #116
    old_aussie
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    Jayden Hollow Sarcasm wrote: »
    As far as surfaces, read somewhere a (5sec) blast of a basic 'UVC' torch/lamp/headlight will kill the dna of all viruses, germs or bacteria*.
    * Might require a virologist to confirm the usefulness of UVC light.

    https://www.amazon.com.au/Microphobe-Ultraviolet-Sanitizer-Sanitizing-Portable/dp/B007DK8FKW

    Amazon's biggest seller in China


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    #117
    laurah591
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    For people interested in this virus and how it was handled at its outset, have a look at this excellent article. The article highlights the stellar work that was undertaken in the early days of the virus to identify it and provide the tools to diagnose it and then looks at the timeline of events up to quarantine of Wuhan

    https://mobile.twitter.com/cnmediaproject/status/1222082113844936704


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    #118
    old_aussie
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    DOZENS of scared passengers refused to board a plane in Japan after realising 16 fellow travellers were from Wuhan, the epicentre of the deadly coronavirus.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1234620/coronavirus-latest-news-death-toll-china-news-flight-japan-shanghai-passengers-scared


    State Department Charters Plane To Bring U.S. Diplomats And Citizens Out Of China.


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    #119
    old_aussie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-united-arlns/united-airlines-suspends-some-u-s-flights-to-china-as-demand-drops-idUSKBN1ZR2EG

    United Airlines Suspends Some US flights to China as demand drops.

    Australian government urged to ban school children returning from China from going to school.

    There are around 600 Chinese Australian school children in Wuhan alone, thousands in China. There to be brain washed.....you are really Chinese NOT Austrralian and you will return to Australia to open many Chinese restraunts...me thinks.


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    #120
    joseywhales
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    I am sitting here in rural India(and wont be leaving until the end of Feb). Wife works in healthcare also. Having experienced the hygene, public health, overcrowding and infrastructure here, I have no doubt that it will be spread fast when it gets here (perhaps it has already, I would question the ability to diagnose every case here). It is normal where I am to have atms with no cash for days and strong security in a supermarket(that is a long drive and has limited enough food) just to acquire water, potatoes, rice and other essentials. I can only imagine an outbreak here and how hard it would be for me to even get to an airport(or access to safe water maybe?!?)(basically paying large amounts of money to taxi drivers who may or may not be trustworthy). If we were to fly out it would be through dubai or some other gulf hub that will definitely have experienced cases by then. Is this it now, am I living in rural India for a year? I suppose it could be worse. I'm beginning to accept that this is just a new virus that we will all eventually get like influenza.


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    #121
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    BA to susped ALL flights to china. (Refunds will be made available).
    Many airlines to suspend services also. CDC says to avoid all non-essential travel to China.

    Many states are putting direct evacuation flights from key areas into 14-day quarantine.
    Aussies are sticking it's own people from flights on Christmass Is, for 14days.
    US using bases in Alaska (likely extending that original plan of 72hrs),
    and Britons are also to be kept for 14days at a mil-base.

    UAE confirms 4 cases. Surprised oil isn't lower than current price of $59


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