No right wing alternative= No alternative

marieholmfan

thegetawaycar wrote: »

We knocked down a load of ghost estates after the crash, these should have been taken into council control and completed, then offered to those on the housing list.

The problem we have then is none of the subsidised house brigade are willing to move to where these would have been (unfortunately only working poor can be told to buy away from their family and commute) and no party will tackle the system which says you must have a tie to an area to apply.

Working poor should all have council houses.

The Nal

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

Why don't people hold the government to account?

They do. Its called "voting". You know, democracy.

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

By marching on them in their homes in case there's any doubt as to how it should be done.

We need a national movement, Concerned Citizens against Terrible Politicians, and we march on politicians houses and demand answers.

Thats dangerous and extremely stupid.

Loafing Oaf

marieholmfan wrote: »

That happened to Howlin and it happened to some pro divorce people in the Alice Glenn days.

And to Simon Harris just last year

Sonic_exyouth

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

Why don't people hold the government to account?

By marching on them in their homes in case there's any doubt as to how it should be done.


We need a national movement, Concerned Citizens against Terrible Politicians, and we march on politicians houses and demand answers.

At the moment Irish people's concerns are ignored by politicians.

Why is this?

Not every person has the same concern as you.
Many concerns are addressed, many are not.

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

We need to take back accountability, by any means necessary.

There is an obvious "means" - in a democracy you can throw out bad politicians. You have an opportunity to do so shortly.
You appear to be threatening violence. That's madness.

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

I did not vote for the whole world to take up residence in Ireland, and I want politicians to explain themselves.

Good job that didn't happen.
Who did you actually vote for though?

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

Why are there so many homeless and people on trolleys?

The right wing answer to this is that those people should go private and stop scrounging off the state. There would be no housing crisis, just bums on the street who are too lazy to get a job
There would be no hospital waiting list, because poor people wouldn't be able to afford care.

The right wing solution is the selfish individual fends for themselves with no state support.

Mad_maxx

Wanderer78 wrote: »

.....and nothing to do with policies such as austerity, bailing out bankrupt banks that caused an overheated building boom by flooding the planet with cheap credit, driving up asset prices, in particular housing?

Anglo should have been let go, the rest had to be saved, banks were saved all over Europe

Our banking bailout choices were largely the right ones, Brian lenehan was a great minister for finance and Public servant

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

Why don't people hold the government to account?

By marching on them in their homes in case there's any doubt as to how it should be done.


We need a national movement, Concerned Citizens against Terrible Politicians, and we march on politicians houses and demand answers.

At the moment Irish people's concerns are ignored by politicians.

Why is this?

We need to take back accountability, by any means necessary.

I did not vote for the whole world to take up residence in Ireland, and I want politicians to explain themselves.

Why are there so many homeless and people on trolleys?

Do that and you'll have everyone moaning about the protesters because they can't get to their favourite pub, you know that as well las I do.

----

The problem isn't that all the mainstream parties are left or right or whatever, it's that they are all centre. That's why they all appear similar. They HAVE to. Being a non-centrist party in Ireland these days is suicide, becaue you're either going to be labeled an alt-right fascist or a pinko-hippy anarchist.

Mad_maxx

Brian? wrote: »

Loose immigration policies aren’t solely left wing. Neo-liberals(laissez faire capitalism) also encourages the free movement of people.

True but the comment was made within the context of "homelessness"

Foreigners who move here to work in the cities aren't homeless in the vast majority of cases

Tony EH

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Right-wing and left-wing meanings are topsy-turvy in Ireland.

The basic tax on wealth, the property tax, was imposed by our leading right-wing party.
This tax on wealth has been opposed vociferously by our left-wing parties, particularly our Marxist and Trotkskyist ones. You could power the country with the energy from Trotsky and Marx spinning in their graves at this.

The property tax as enacted by Fine Gael isn't a wealth tax though. It's simply just another tax. A wealth tax as, generally, envisaged by the left would be of a different colour and affect those above a certain monetary threshold, or those with multiple properties. The rights version of it simply taxes everyone who has a property.

I think it's time we stopped this nonsense about the right wing being against taxation though. It's never really been true. Right wing parties may give tax breaks to the uber rich for their support (hello Donald), but they are and never were about being against taxes in general.

marieholmfan

Tony EH wrote: »

The property tax as enacted by Fine Gael isn't a wealth tax though. It's simply just another tax. A wealth tax as, generally, envisaged by the left would be of a different colour and affect those above a certain monetary threshold, or those with multiple properties. The rights version of it simply taxes everyone who has a property.

I think it's time we stopped this nonsense about the right wing being against taxation though. It's never really been true. Right wing parties may give tax breaks to the uber rich for their support (hello Donald), but they are and never were about being against taxes in general.

Property is wealth.

Tony EH

marieholmfan wrote: »

Property is wealth.

My home is not "wealth". It's my home.

marieholmfan

Tony EH wrote: »

My home is not "wealth". It's my home.

That's true enough but it's still wealth if not for you then her for your kids.

Butson

Cormac Lucey was on Newstalk yesterday evening.
He made a very valid point. Why is nobody talking about what impact the huge levels of immigration are having on our housing crises?

I think most fair minded Irish people would agree that on balance, immigration into the country has been a positive thing.
But, does that mean we don't talk about issues like the above?

Infantile.

is_that_so

Butson wrote: »

Cormac Lucey was on Newstalk yesterday evening.
He made a very valid point. Why is nobody talking about what impact the huge levels of immigration are having on our housing crises?

I think most fair minded Irish people would agree that on balance, immigration into the country has been a positive thing.
But, does that mean we don't talk about issues like the above?

Infantile.

Anyone can make a claim like that. Did he actually say what exactly those huge levels were and what kind of people they are? My money is on EU members who are fully entitled to come here.

spurious

There's no proper 'left' either.

Idbatterim

A few of my mates, who would generally always vote. Say they arent voting this election. With options ranging from centre left to far left, who can blame them :rolleyes:

LPT charged at a max rate of. 18%, yet the working poor can be hit with a marginal rate of FIFTY percent!

Guava Juice

meeeeh wrote: »

FG?

Ir do you want economically right as private education, private healthcare, no state pension and similar. Then I think you have to move to China or USA.

Under Fine Gael the state the spends enormous sums on social welfare, so Fine Gael wouldn't qualify.

facehugger99

spurious wrote: »

There's no proper 'left' either.

That's true.

There's the populists and the hyper-populists.

it's a sad reflection of the maturity of the electorate.

marieholmfan

Idbatterim wrote: »

A few of my mates, who would generally always vote. Say they arent voting this election. With options ranging from centre left to far left, who can blame them :rolleyes:

LPT charged at a max rate of. 18%, yet the working poor can be hit with a marginal rate of FIFTY percent!

You should vote but spoil your vote and write TAX CUTS NOW on it!

marieholmfan

facehugger99 wrote: »

That's true.

There's the populists and the hyper-populists.

it's a sad reflection of the maturity of the electorate.

You should go in and cast a vote but write



TAXPAYERS RIGHTS


on that ballot!

Lonesomerhodes

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

What is our national identity?

It's basically gone!.


No Irish language
No Celtic traditions
No Brehon law
No Sean Nos
No Gaelteachts even in Dublin the capital FFS.


Ireland is vassel state of the EU.

Good little monkeys doing as they are told!.

meeeeh

Guava Juice wrote: »

Under Fine Gael the state the spends enormous sums on social welfare, so Fine Gael wouldn't qualify.

Yes that's because social welfare is expensive. I don't know of modern European country that doesn't offer some sort of welfare. Maybe you should be born couple of hundred years ago to find a party with conservative enough views.

ThunbergsAreGo

is_that_so wrote: »

Anyone can make a claim like that. Did he actually say what exactly those huge levels were and what kind of people they are? My money is on EU members who are fully entitled to come here.

I am not anti immigrant at all - bar from thinking you shoudnt be offered a social house without first contributing to socierty - but there are numbers here (likely increased since then) - https://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/huge-scale-of-immigration-is-making-our-housing-crisis-worse-35498057.html

It is something that should be taken into account when discussing issues with services providing, the demand for these have grown massively.

Tony EH

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

It's basically gone!.


No Irish language
No Celtic traditions
No Brehon law
No Sean Nos
No Gaelteachts even in Dublin the capital FFS.


Ireland is vassel state of the EU.

Good little monkeys doing as they are told!.

None of that has anything to do with the EU.

Iscreamkone

With all the handouts for people who don’t work - where is the encouragement to contribute to society?
Why do we say full employment = 5% unemployment? We need foreigners who are willing to work to do jobs that large portions of Irish think is beneath them.
Will you work? Yes? Then come on in.

Public service pensions - don’t get me started 😡
Governments here just waste my tax money. The service provided is so crap that I have to go private in the end and pay for it twice.

meeeeh

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

It's basically gone!.


No Irish language
No Celtic traditions
No Brehon law
No Sean Nos
No Gaelteachts even in Dublin the capital FFS.


Ireland is vassel state of the EU.

Good little monkeys doing as they are told!.

So it's EU's fault you are now using English not Irish?

Frankly I don't think there is any party daft enough for you now matter how popular.

Mad_maxx

Butson wrote: »

Cormac Lucey was on Newstalk yesterday evening.
He made a very valid point. Why is nobody talking about what impact the huge levels of immigration are having on our housing crises?

I think most fair minded Irish people would agree that on balance, immigration into the country has been a positive thing.
But, does that mean we don't talk about issues like the above?

Infantile.

Even the assumption that immigration is a positive thing is worthy of scrutiny

Why is assumed to be an inherent good?

We once believed the pope was infallible.

Now we have new articles of faith only it's a liberal clergy hands down the creed

marieholmfan

Iscreamkone wrote: »

With all the handouts for people who don’t work - where is the encouragement to contribute to society?
Why do we say full employment = 5% unemployment? We need foreigners who are willing to work to do jobs that large portions of Irish think is beneath them.
Will you work? Yes? Then come on in.

Public service pensions - don’t get me started ��
Governments here just waste my tax money. The service provided is so crap that I have to go private in the end and pay for it twice.

You're 100% right.
I'm thinking of writing tax cuts now on my ballot.


I will still go in and vote as I want to make sure I am on the marked register.

Tony EH

Iscreamkone wrote: »

Why do we say full employment = 5% unemployment?

Because there will always be people who are between jobs or out of work for a particular reason. So 5 to 7 percent unemployed is considered full employment.

No society will ever have all of its eligible workforce employed.

banie01

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

It's basically gone!.


No Irish language
No Celtic traditions
No Brehon law

Sean Nos, it's a dying art but visit any Siamsa and you will find an exponent of it.
It doesn't mean it's any good, but sure I'm sure you could do a turn yourself?

What Celtic traditions, and by that I mean actual Celtic traditions not some romanticised Pearsian recreation such as the Tailteann games are you missing?

Brehon law, so because the ancient Irish had a law code, it should be the one we still use?
What parts of Brehon law being dead are impacting upon your life?
What parts of Brehon law have fallen by the wayside since the foundation of the State?

Should the Iraqi's still follow the code of Hammurabi?
Because it's "tradition"?

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

No Gaelteachts even in Dublin the capital FFS.

How good is your own Irish? How often do you make effort to use it?
When is the last time you visited a Gaeltacht?

Ireland is vassel state of the EU.

Good little monkeys doing as they are told!.

Lay out the ways in which this is actually true and denigrates Ireland?

I'd hazard a guess you are a fan of turning the seal?

Mad_maxx

is_that_so wrote: »

Anyone can make a claim like that. Did he actually say what exactly those huge levels were and what kind of people they are? My money is on EU members who are fully entitled to come here.

Being entitled to be here doesn't change whether or not someone is an immigrant so luceys point still stands, the increase in the percentage of the population living here who were born outside the country ( since 1995) is higher here than anywhere else in Europe