No right wing alternative= No alternative

is_that_so

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

I am not anti immigrant at all - bar from thinking you shoudnt be offered a social house without first contributing to socierty - but there are numbers here (likely increased since then) - https://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/huge-scale-of-immigration-is-making-our-housing-crisis-worse-35498057.html

It is something that should be taken into account when discussing issues with services providing, the demand for these have grown massively.

Most of the 17% or so come from EU countries and a soon to be ex-EU country and are gainfully employed. I'm not sure what conversation you imagine there is to be had about people who have every right to live here.

On the social end there are questions to look at, for some EU citizens and certainly for those who are non-EU but their numbers are very small in comparison.

Iscreamkone

Tony EH wrote: »

Because there will always be people who are between jobs or out of work for a particular reason. So 5 to 7 percent unemployed is considered full employment.

No society will ever have all of its eligible workforce employed.

One particular reason is that you get free stuff when you don’t work.

Also, cap children’s allowance after 4 kids. There was a couple on the Late Late one night with 11 kids getting €1800 per month children’s allowance ffs.
We are mental to be encouraging this.

lawred2

is the EU supposed to be a lefty thing?

is_that_so

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Being entitled to be here doesn't change whether or not someone is an immigrant so luceys point still stands, the increase in the percentage of the population living here who were born outside the country ( since 1995) is higher here than anywhere else in Europe

Again this does nothing for me apart from make me say well that's an interesting statistic. Has Lucey come up with any solutions to the conundrum or is it just more rent-an-opinion from an economist?

marieholmfan

lawred2 wrote: »

is the EU supposed to be a lefty thing?

Who knows?


You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know…

Tony EH

Iscreamkone wrote: »

One particular reason is that you get free stuff when you don’t work.

Bollocks.

When jobs are available. The vast majority of people work in them.

relax carry on

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

It's basically gone!.


No Irish language
No Celtic traditions
No Brehon law
No Sean Nos
No Gaelteachts even in Dublin the capital FFS.


Ireland is vassel state of the EU.

Good little monkeys doing as they are told!.

I was right with the rose tinted fantasy view of the 50s as this posters version of Irish identify, but I was thinking maybe the 1950s not the 950s. Jesus!

Huntergonzo

It's hard to strike a balance, I certainly don't feel like any party in Ireland represents my views.

Now I'm not a big fan of political labels, I think probably most of us hold a lot of varying views so to say that someone is 'right' or 'left' wing can be a little bit too broad.

Personally I would say I'm right wing economically. I'm not a huge fan of big government, I think our welfare is far too generous and I honestly think there is as much of an entitlement crisis as a homeless crisis in Ireland, I've worked for a housing agency and have seen this first hand! Also I don't hate millionaires even though I'm not one myself.

Socially though I have no interest in the right or left, I'm very individualistic when it comes to social issues (I'm all for free choice so long as you're not harming others). The right is far too religious (can't stand religion) and the left is full of kale consuming snowflakes who love nothing more than being 'offended' by things they know nothing about.

Now I fully supported gay marriage and because I'm pro-life I voted to remove the despicable 8th amendment (I mean why wouldn't I, there's a very strong chance that me and my 3 siblings wouldn't be here if my mother hadn't received a necessary abortion in the 70s).

Ps, but don't agree that people can magically change genders though and I have no time for non-binary rubbish.

So I'm not particularly excited by our current options.

Tony EH

relax carry on wrote: »

I was right with the rose tinted fantasy view of the 50s as this posters version of Irish identify, but I was thinking maybe the 1950s not the 950s. Jesus!

The irony is that that poster is probably only in their 20's. :pac:

Tony EH

Huntergonzo wrote: »

The right is far too religious (can't stand religion) and the left is full of kale consuming snowflakes who love nothing more than being 'offended' by things they know nothing about.

This is a very US centric view.

A consequence of far too much internet.

marieholmfan

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

It's basically gone!.
No Irish language
No Celtic traditions
No Brehon law
No Sean Nos
No Gaelteachts even in Dublin the capital FFS.

No ritualised warfare
No blood price
No bondsmaids
No queens
No fosterage
No hostages
No one who can jump over a hazel wand two metres high without breaking stride
No one who can run under a hazel wand one metre high without breaking stride

No cattle raiding
No demigods
No fairies
No woodkern
No glib
No saffron tunics
No horse sacrifice






This country is ruined!

The Nal

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

It's basically gone!.


No Irish language
No Celtic traditions
No Brehon law
No Sean Nos
No Gaelteachts even in Dublin the capital FFS.


Ireland is vassel state of the EU.

Good little monkeys doing as they are told!.

What millennium do you think we're living in?! Brehon law lol.

super_furry

Angela Merkel is the reason we don't have the Brehon Laws anymore! And shure didn't Marcon lead those Viking longboats over to massacre the monks and the druids.

Jesus Christ you lot are tapped.

Huntergonzo

Tony EH wrote: »

This is a very US centric view.

A consequence of far too much internet.

It applies over here as well I'm afraid, not to the same extent as the US of course but I'm speaking about the far ends of each spectrum, the ones who make most of the noise, not Joe or June Bloggs who are just going about their busy lives.

suicide_circus

immigration is undiscussable (not a word)

ohnonotgmail

marieholmfan wrote: »

No ritualised warfare
No blood price
No bondsmaids
No queens
No fosterage
No hostages
No one who can jump over a hazel wand two metres high without breaking stride
No one who can run under a hazel wand one metre high without breaking stride

No cattle raiding
No demigods
No fairies
No woodkern
No glib
No saffron tunics
No horse sacrifice






This country is ruined!

Not forgetting sucking the nipple of the King to indicate obedience. they really need to bring that back

Loafing Oaf

suicide_circus wrote: »

immigration is undiscussable (not a word)

Verona Murphy, Justin Barrett, Gemma O'Doherty etc. are discussing it plenty. If the voters felt strongly enough about it they would be electing that ilk...

Dyr

super_furry wrote: »

Angela Merkel is the reason we don't have the Brehon Laws anymore! And shure didn't Marcon lead those Viking longboats over to massacre the monks and the druids.

Jesus Christ you lot are tapped.

Vikings didnt bring an end to the Brehon laws, not even the Normans did.

ancapailldorcha

Is he seriously claiming that the Irish language and the Gaeltachts do not exist? Usually people like that just stick to the nebulous culture argument.

Huntergonzo

suicide_circus wrote: »

immigration is undiscussable (not a word)

Well what's your view on it?

Personally I've never really been bothered by immigrants, I think they're the easiest scapegiats of all.

Granted I think those that come over and cause trouble (ie violent gangs etc), should be sent packing without delay but otherwise I'm not too bothered.

People have always travelled to improve their lives, us Irish have done it in our millions down through the years. It's sad that people often have to leave their homeland for a better life but that's the way it goes.

jmayo

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

But even with this, if they had a voter base that was committed to 'fiscal conservatism' in any profound way, surely they would have stuck with them on the 'best of a bad lot' principle. If the bulk of their voters switched to a FG then closely allied with Labour in 2007, surely they can't have been 'right wing' in any deep sense?

The die was cast for PDs long before 2007.
The PDS had come to represent puppets keeping FF in power.
You had a party led by Harney, and all her incestous largese for friends and family, and an arrogant buffoon McDowell.

Always Tired wrote: »

Trying to privatise our water was right wing.

Deliberately ruining the health service so people are forced to go private to get timely decent standard care is right wing.

Allowing rents and homelessness to spiral is right wing.

Rents spiralled because the bedsits were removed from the equation and they provided huge amount of cheap accommodation, the numbers looking for rental properties increased and the supply was minimal.
Yes they should have tired to rein in the price gougers but no one could magic up thousands of houses overnight.

BTW I will stick my head over the parapet and say somethings about our homeless numbers.

1. having spent some time in Dublin hotel pre christmas it was noticable the families living there were not Irish.
Now that is not to say some Irish families are availing of this type of accommodation but the families I saw were definitely not Irish.
2. some people on housing waiting lists are using homelessness as means of getting pushed to front of queue.
3. there have always been some homeless people, in probably every country in the world, and there will probably always be homesless people who just cannot keep a roof over their heads.
Some of these have unfortunately died and were used as a stick to beat government and authorities with.

ThunbergsAreGo

is_that_so wrote: »

Most of the 17% or so come from EU countries and a soon to be ex-EU country and are gainfully employed. I'm not sure what conversation you imagine there is to be had about people who have every right to live here.

On the social end there are questions to look at, for some EU citizens and certainly for those who are non-EU but their numbers are very small in comparison.

Again, I dont really think there is a conversation, bar the constant blaming the government for not building houses is one of the reasons we have a housing "crisis", an increased demand is another, whether this come from Moneygall, Malaysia or Manchester.

Someone asked for the numbers, the article had some

Idbatterim

the meeja and politicians here have themselves to blame, instead of coming at things from a realistic angle, they are scared of offering anyone (except the taxpayers) "wont someone think of the children" mentality! Good luck to the clowns, health is a black hole, housing is now a black hole, when your policy is high property prices and there are a huge amount struggling with housing and you give an option of near free housing ( v expensive housing) you think the pressure will every be taken off? short of a bust, but even if that happens, the banks will tighten up lending a lot. they wont increase lpt, income taxes etc, so its so blatantly obvious, that there is no way, particularly with FF, that they can deliver the fantasy manifesto, its up there with SF comedy!

Clarence Boddiker

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

It's basically gone!.


No Irish language
No Celtic traditions
No Brehon law
No Sean Nos
No Gaelteachts even in Dublin the capital FFS.


Ireland is vassel state of the EU.

Good little monkeys doing as they are told!.

Unfortunately the Irish are consumed with a profound sense of self loathing and insecurity, particularly the Bourgeoise class. Embarrassed by themselves, embarrassed by their history, they delight in deconstructing their own identity. Many of them have so lost any sense of identity that they wouldn't even understand your position.
Their sense of identity is merely some vague idea of 'values' which are ultimately completely meaningless.
Its a sad state of affairs but this is where we are.

Guava Juice

meeeeh wrote: »

Yes that's because social welfare is expensive. I don't know of modern European country that doesn't offer some sort of welfare. Maybe you should be born couple of hundred years ago to find a party with conservative enough views.

I said I would like a party that is on the right economically and on the left socially. Fine Gael was suggested as an option that meets those criteria, I am simply pointing out that they don't meet those criteria.

On a separate point, I believe we should avoid the "lemming" philosophy whereby we simply do what others do.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

suicide_circus wrote: »

immigration is undiscussable (not a word)

Speak for yourself. I find it very discussable (and I'm aagainsted unlimited immigration)

B0jangles

jmayo wrote: »

Rents spiralled because the bedsits were removed from the equation and they provided huge amount of cheap accommodation, the numbers looking for rental properties increased and the supply was minimal.
Yes they should have tired to rein in the price gougers but no one could magic up thousands of houses overnight.

The damage remving bedsits has done to the cost of renting/buying was absolutely immense - I know someone who was a smallscale landlord - they owned a couple of houses divided into bedsits. They weren't making a fortune out of it by any means, but enough to get by.

When the regulations were changed they would have had to completely gut two listed buildings to make all the required changes which would have been economically unviable and because they were listed, probably illegal anyway.

As a result they had to end all those tenancies; 16 people had to look for new homes, some of whom had been happily resident for upwards of 15 years. The houses were sold and are now private homes occupied by single families. For some reason, they are considered perfectly safe for those families to live in, but not for the tenants who lived there before.

The same thing happened all over the country -all those people suddenly needed new homes and suddenly, mysteriously, we had a massive housing crisis.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

marieholmfan wrote: »

That's true enough but it's still wealth if not for you then her for your kids.

It's wealth - yes - but that doesn't mean it's income.

marieholmfan

B0jangles wrote: »

The damage remving bedsits has done to the cost of renting/buying was absolutely immense - I know someone who was a smallscale landlord - they owned a couple of houses divided into bedsits. They weren't making a fortune out of it by any means, but enough to get by.

When the regulations were changed they would have had to completely gut two listed buildings to make all the required changes which would have been economically unviable and because they were listed, probably illegal anyway.

As a result they had to end all those tenancies; 16 people had to look for new homes, some of whom had been happily resident for upwards of 15 years. The houses were sold and are now private homes occupied by single families. For some reason, they are considered perfectly safe for those families to live in, but not for the tenants who lived there before.

The same thing happened all over the country -all those people suddenly needed new homes and suddenly, mysteriously, we had a massive housing crisis.

Yeah it's perfectly safe for two families to live somewhere that was unsafe for 16 people.


No sheeeit Sherlock!

B0jangles

marieholmfan wrote: »

Yeah it's perfectly safe for two families to live somewhere that was unsafe for 16 people.

No sheeeit Sherlock!

They weren't jammed in 15 to a room you know, each person had the space equivalent of at minimum, a decent sized studio flat.

My point was that they went from having a comfortable and affordable home to having no home because the regulations were changed without anyone apparently considering what exactly would happen when all those 'unsafe' bedsits were eliminated.

Now we know - a massive housing crisis would happen.