No right wing alternative= No alternative

Sonic_exyouth

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Nope cause thankfully it was not in place in the 70s when my mother had her abortion.

The argument made by people at the time was that the 8th didn't change anything, it just removed the right of the Government to legislate. Mary Robinson at the time highlighted that there was inevitable going to be issues as it was fairly poorly worded.

The 8th gave equal right to life to the mother and child - where there was a conflict with these rights, and a choice was to be made, then the mother was to be prioritised. This was custom and practice during the 80s, and then made legal after the x Case, and then codified in the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill.

The remaining issue from 1990 - 2013 was if the threat of suicide was equal to the physical threat facing a mother. The people twice given the option to say no, and rejected it twice (Albeit, this was aided by the Youth Defense and extreme sides who had an ideological objection to the presence of the work abortion or termination being anywhere in the constitution, and in 2002 were convinced that there was a conspiracy by Bertie Ahern to turn Ireland into the Embryonic Stem Cell capital of the world)

Mad_maxx

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

There's a famous saying "The right seek converts, the left seek traitors". It's one of the reasons why there are usually more left-wing parties in any country. This is quite evident in Ireland where the far-left parties seem to splinter in every single election cycle.



They're open to publicity more like.




I'll stop you there. If this is the lady that I believe you are on about then she is not a barrister and has subsequently had to remove that claim from her twitter bio.

This appears to be a trend in the far-right whereby they give themselves titles or roles they do not actually have. There’s some other clown calling himself a Professor who mostly posts anti-immigrant material. I believe it is their way of de-legitimising people who actually have earned those titles or jobs.

why must you attempt to smear Tracy O mahoney with that " far right " label ?

she has not espoused prejudiced positions against anybody , she opposes the new " hate speech" proposed legislation , so do i and many others

Lonesomerhodes

Mad_maxx wrote: »

why must you attempt to smear Tracy O mahoney with that " far right " label ?

she has not espoused prejudiced positions against anybody , she opposes the new " hate speech" proposed legislation , so do i and many others

Yeah she's a nice lady and because the lunatic left brigade haven't the gumption or brains to debate a barrister it's smear/slander and more smear with Nazi this and that nonsense.


Why can't the left simply debate her instead of slander?.

Because they know their debate will be rinsed out arguing against free speech!.

Mad_maxx

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Yeah she's a nice lady and because the lunatic left brigade haven't the gumption or brains to debate a barrister it's smear/slander and more smear with Nazi this and that nonsense.


Why can't the left simply debate her instead of slander?.

Because they know their debate will be rinsed out arguing against free speech!.

I've never met her but I do follow her on twitter

The authoritarian left have no substance to much of their positions, they don't hang around to have those positions exposed so reach for slogans like " far right" etc

ohnonotgmail

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Yeah she's a nice lady and because the lunatic left brigade haven't the gumption or brains to debate a barrister it's smear/slander and more smear with Nazi this and that nonsense.


Why can't the left simply debate her instead of slander?.

Because they know their debate will be rinsed out arguing against free speech!.

she is not a barrister

pjohnson

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

she is not a barrister

"Free speech" means she is a barrister I guess.

Huntergonzo

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

The argument made by people at the time was that the 8th didn't change anything, it just removed the right of the Government to legislate. Mary Robinson at the time highlighted that there was inevitable going to be issues as it was fairly poorly worded.

The 8th gave equal right to life to the mother and child - where there was a conflict with these rights, and a choice was to be made, then the mother was to be prioritised. This was custom and practice during the 80s, and then made legal after the x Case, and then codified in the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill.

The remaining issue from 1990 - 2013 was if the threat of suicide was equal to the physical threat facing a mother. The people twice given the option to say no, and rejected it twice (Albeit, this was aided by the Youth Defense and extreme sides who had an ideological objection to the presence of the work abortion or termination being anywhere in the constitution, and in 2002 were convinced that there was a conspiracy by Bertie Ahern to turn Ireland into the Embryonic Stem Cell capital of the world)

I don't know my legislation inside out but as far as I know abortion was never legal in Ireland until recently. However in emergency circumstances doctors did perform abortions before the 8th was introduced.

Now while those who made the argument in the 80s that the 8th didn't change the law were maybe technically correct, in practice the ban on abortion was greatly strenghtened. Doctors were far more careful about carrying out abortions if indeed any were carried out at all for many years.

Not only were abortions illegal but the State actually sought an injunction to prevent a raped 14 year old girl from having an abortion. That's the depraved level of damage the 8th caused and thankfully it's gone.

alastair

Mad_maxx wrote: »

why must you attempt to smear Tracy O mahoney with that " far right " label ?

she has not espoused prejudiced positions against anybody , she opposes the new " hate speech" proposed legislation , so do i and many others

She most definitely has. She has a record of racist posts on Twitter, and ‘stands over’ her brother, who is a keen islamophobe, being a member of the, eh, ‘warriors against Islam’ group. She’s the epitome of far right, Hence being in bed with the National Party, Renua, and the Irish Freedom Party.

Mad_maxx

alastair wrote: »

She most definitely has. She has a record of racist posts on Twitter, and ‘stands over’ her brother, who is a keen islamophobe, being a member of the, eh, ‘warriors against Islam’ group. She’s the epitome of far right, Hence being in bed with the National Party, Renua, and the Irish Freedom Party.

No such thing as an "islamaphobe", it's a political term invented by the PC Left

alastair

Mad_maxx wrote: »

No such thing as an "islamaphobe", it's a political term invented by the PC Left

Nah, there is of course, and Niall O’Mahony is one.

facehugger99

If you're a workshy layabout who believes the world owes you a living, wants a free house and doesn't want to pay for anything, you've probably got half a dozen different political parties vying for your vote.

If you're in favour of prudent management of the economy, small Government and policies which support private sector workers, you've literally nobody to vote for.

The only reason I cast a ballot is to ensure the lunatic fringes are kept as far away from the levers of power as possible.

Brussels Sprout

Mad_maxx wrote: »

No such thing as an "islamaphobe", it's a political term invented by the PC Left

:pac:

Mad_maxx

alastair wrote: »

Nah, there is of course, and Niall O’Mahony is one.

Have you ever heard of a Hinduphoebe?

alastair

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Have you ever heard of a Hinduphoebe?

Like ‘Islamaphobe’ ‘Hinduphoebe’ isn’t an actual word, but Hinduphobe certainly is.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/hinduphobe
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/hinduphobic

Mad_maxx

alastair wrote: »

Like ‘Islamaphobe’ ‘Hinduphoebe’ isn’t an actual word, but Hinduphobe certainly is.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/hinduphobe
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/hinduphobic

Yeah, autocorrect sometimes screws a text up

I've yet to notice hinduphobe inserted into political discourse or Buddhistphobe or quaker phobe

ohnonotgmail

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Yeah, autocorrect sometimes screws a text up

I've yet to notice hinduphobe inserted into political discourse or Buddhistphobe or quaker phobe

so you haven't heard of it so it doesn't exist. Can you give us a full breakdown of things you have heard so we know they exist?

alastair

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Yeah, autocorrect sometimes screws a text up

I've yet to notice hinduphobe inserted into political discourse or Buddhistphobe or quaker phobe

Autocorrect doesn’t produce typos. And no-one is really responsible for what you don’t notice. I’m sure the list is long.

alastair

For anyone in any doubt that Tracey O’Mahony is a far-right racist:
https://twitter.com/hexhibit/status/1216434421114572800?s=21

Mad_maxx

alastair wrote: »

For anyone in any doubt that Tracey O’Mahony is a far-right racist:
https://twitter.com/hexhibit/status/1216434421114572800?s=21

So she's highlighting how the media hush hush violent crime committed by certain ethnic minority group members, RTE do the same with travellers

Do you also consider David Quinn and John mcguirk to be "far right" ?

Lonesomerhodes

alastair wrote: »

For anyone in any doubt that Tracey O’Mahony is a far-right racist:
https://twitter.com/hexhibit/status/1216434421114572800?s=21

Her tweet wasn't racist :pac:

So she's a racist because you say so?.


Me thinks you have the hots for her stalking her and watching her tweets like a hawk on twitter.

And Who can blame ya?.

She's an Intelligent sound educated ballsy and attractive lady!.

alastair

Mad_maxx wrote: »

So she's highlighting how the media hush hush violent crime committed by certain ethnic minority group members, RTE do the same with travellers

Do you also consider David Quinn and John mcguirk to be "far right" ?

Nah - she’s doing no such thing. The names were not released for legal reasons - one of the convicted being a minor at the time of the crime. What she is doing however is equating criminality with ethnicity, and not even in a subtle fashion. Plain old racism.

alastair

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Her tweet wasn't racist :pac:

So she's a racist because you say so?.


Me thinks you have the hots for her stalking her and watching her tweets like a hawk on twitter.

And Who can blame ya?.

She's an Intelligent sound educated ballsy and attractive lady!.

The post was blatantly racist. How can you possibly imagine it’s not? Who exactly do you imagine is supposed to be coming to your village? The convicted and imprisoned French lads?

And not my type - I like a bit of humanity in folk.

SaintLeibowitz

alastair wrote: »

The post was blatantly racist. How can you possibly imagine it’s not? Who exactly do you imagine is supposed to be coming to your village? The convicted and imprisoned French lads?

And not my type - I like a bit of humanity in folk.

The far right refuse to acknowledge racism. This is a tactic. 'Racism doesn't exist anymore, therefore, nothing can be racist' .

They want the ability to discriminate without consequence.

Mad_maxx

alastair wrote: »

Nah - she’s doing no such thing. The names were not released for legal reasons - one of the convicted being a minor at the time of the crime. What she is doing however is equating criminality with ethnicity, and not even in a subtle fashion. Plain old racism.

Are David quinn and John mcguirk "far right" in your opinion?

Clarence Boddiker

alastair wrote: »

The post was blatantly racist. How can you possibly imagine it’s not? Who exactly do you imagine is supposed to be coming to your village? The convicted and imprisoned French lads?

And not my type - I like a bit of humanity in folk.

You don't seem concerned at all with the victims of brutal torture murder but rather you're concerned with protecting the identity of the perpetrators..speaks volumes..like ocean size volumes.

alastair

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

You don't seem concerned at all with the victims of brutal torture murder but rather you're concerned with protecting the identity of the perpetrators..speaks volumes..like ocean size volumes.

Strange you arrived at this conclusion. The names of convicted minors are never released - that’s just as true for the killers of Anna Kriegel as it is for these people. That’s the nature of the law. But feel free to ignore the elephant in the room.

Sonic_exyouth

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

You don't seem concerned at all with the victims of brutal torture murder but rather you're concerned with protecting the identity of the perpetrators..speaks volumes..like ocean size volumes.

You seem far more concerned about the ethnicity of the perpetrators and not at all about the victim.

In fact, it would appear that if the perpetrators were white you wouldn't care at all about the victim.

Which is where the racism charge comes from

alastair

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

You seem far more concerned about the ethnicity of the perpetrators and not at all about the victim.

In fact, it would appear that if the perpetrators were white you wouldn't care at all about the victim.

Which is where the racism charge comes from

That, and the rather strange notion that a couple of convicted French people in France have anything to do with asylum seekers in Ireland. Last I heard we were not inundated with French citizens in DP.

Rigor Mortis

marieholmfan wrote: »

The right wing believe that the better you do the more you should get; the left believe in share and share alike.


That's what it means. You're mixing it up with conservative an liberal.

You're definition of right wing is unnecessarily narrow and the OPs is perfectly valid. Right wing is frequently and correctly used to describe a conservative ethos in policy making. Virtually every policy position he describes can be reasonably described as right wing.

rossie1977

People of Ireland overwhelming voted in abortion referendum so not sure why op thinks any government going forward can change that unless he is proposing a fascist dictatorship or something.

OP then goes on to say he wants smaller government while enforcing stronger borders, cleaning up homeless, stronger policing/penal sentences on top of stopping abortion. All that obviously would require vastly increase in government size.