Australian Open 2020

MisterAnarchy

glasso wrote: »

Women's tennis used to be decent and worth watching but that period was a long long time ago. players like Graf were great to watch.

it's sad really.

The standard is absolutely brutal nowadays ,most of the players are baseline bashers .

The womens game always had a lot to do with mental strength,Graf won so much because of her temperament ,she was the ice woman.
You still had players like Novotna and Pierce ,who were a bundle of nerves .

Players came from tougher backgrounds back then ,I think it toughened them up ,they are too spoilt nowadays and mentally weak as a result.

three double-faults in one game is three times worse than one double-fault.

maybe you need to go back to your multiplication tables?

and it was not just one service game as I said - double-faulting twice in a row in three separate games is just terrible terrible stuff (even more so in just 3 sets)- how can you defend that "level" of tennis and say that it doesn't bring into question the credibility of a contest?

yerwanthere123

Interesting stat

https://twitter.com/CalebPereira23/status/1223292017116991488

Thiem 9-6 against the big three since 2018, but obviously slams are a different beast. Really hope he can rescue something from this weekend of tennis for me.

MisterAnarchy

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

The standard is absolutely brutal nowadays ,most of the players are baseline bashers .

The womens game always had a lot to do with mental strength,Graf won so much because of her temperament ,she was the ice woman.
You still had players like Novotna and Pierce ,who were a bundle of nerves .

Players came from tougher backgrounds back then ,I think it toughened them up ,they are too spoilt nowadays and mentally weak as a result.

yet some people just can't face up to the reality of the situation. head in sand stuff.

you are right unfortunately - too many mentally frail flakes who might have one or two reasonable tournaments and that's it and the style and standard is so lacking.

there hasn't been a real champion in so long.

Fair play to Serena for winning so many titles but pure physical advantage was indisputably an issue there.

Joe_ Public

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

What's there to argue? All I'm doing is highlighting your double standards and complete lack of logic. You're complaining about the fact she got nervous and double faulted the match away. Djokovic did the same at RG because he got distracted by a partisan crowd. You'd never have displayed such hostility to Djokovic, or anyone on the ATP, for doing the same thing. Double standards. I asked for your clarification on how many double faults are acceptable, given that one is seemingly fine but three is "muck", but you got defensive and said I was being silly. Not sure who's having trouble arguing their points here tbh.

And again, trying to state that the match has been robbed of credibility is totally your subjective, nonsensical opinion. Who on Earth will look back on Sofia's great win and think it lacks credibility because Muguruza had a poor service game at the end? Just total nonsense being spouted.

You know the rules. If kenin doesnt win at least 2 of the next 3 slams, the whole thing is rubbish and inconsistent. The present generation is useless because it cant compare to serena williams or steffi graf. Etc ad nauseam.

What makes tennis interesting is champion players going at it (rivalries) with a great standard of tennis, producing great matches.

Both the standard and the rivalry aspects have been obviously absent from women's tennis for a long time.

For many years it was effectively a divisive situation with people loving or hating Serena Williams and now that she's finished for the last couple of years a vacuum of mediocrity.

45 unforced errors in only 26 games today by Muguruza.

And none of these games were long multiple deuce games.

That's 1.73 unforced errors per game.

Let's see how that compares to what we see tomorrow to see how the standard stacks up.

lostcat

Djokovic should really win this, I know I was comparing Thiems power to Stans a few posts ago, and we tend to remember Stans couple of big wins against Djokovic. But Djokovic is 17-6 or thereabouts against Stan, so he can generally handle the power.

Thiem has to go for the lines to have a chance, not sure he can keep hitting them for 3 sets. I think Djokovic is playing too consistently well to have a mental or tactical stinker.

mzungu

Djokovic is in fine form, it's hard to see Thiem winning but I hope for a great match nonetheless.

yerwanthere123

glasso wrote: »

three double-faults in one game is three times worse than one double-fault.

maybe you need to go back to your multiplication tables?

and it was not just one service game as I said - double-faulting twice in a row in three separate games is just terrible terrible stuff (even more so in just 3 sets)- how can you defend that "level" of tennis and say that it doesn't bring into question the credibility of a contest?

Yeah, again, I was asking what in your opinion was acceptable when serving for a grand slam title. One if seemingly fine, but three is "muck", seems like a pretty fine line to have to tread. If she'd only made two in that final game would it have been alright?

glasso wrote: »

45 unforced errors in only 26 games today by Muguruza.

And none of these games were long multiple deuce games.

That's 1.73 unforced errors per game.

Let's see how that compares to what we see tomorrow to see how the standard stacks up.

I mean, Muguruza was the runner up. She lost the match. Probably goes without saying she'd make a lot more unforced errors. Kenin, the victor, made approximately half the unforced errors.

Again I think it goes without saying we're probably going to see a higher standard in the men's final. One of the all time greats against a player in the form of his life will likely be better than a first time finalist and a player recovering from two mentally shot years, particularly when played over best of 5. I know this isn't exactly a golden era of the WTA but I think it deserves a little more respect than it is often given on here.

To me it begs the question, why do you watch something that you seemingly don't enjoy in the slightest, and appear to have utter disdain for?

Mantis Toboggan

Phil Connors 39 wrote: »

Hopefully with the start of a new decade we finally get a slam winner that was born in the 1990's. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Thiem beats Djokovic, he has the talent and now I think he also has the right mindset.

Not sure about that, all one way traffic so far.

a real high quality contest so far.

Thiem being able to weather the Djokovic initial onslaught and break back is impressive.

Hego Damask

I'll make a bold prediction and say Djokovic and Federer won't win any more slams, Nadal neither bar the French Open...
Finally we have a new generation.

walshb

Hego Damask wrote: »

I'll make a bold prediction and say Djokovic and Federer won't win any more slams, Nadal neither bar the French Open...
Finally we have a new generation.

Don’t think that’s bold.

Fed very very unlikely..

I think a new FO champion this year. Nadal is cooked...

Nole can probably bag 1-2 max..

walshb

DF from Thiem hands Nole set 1..

Hego Damask

Doppelfehler

Slashermcguirk

Djokovic the better player so far, he is making Thiem work much harder in his service games

Hego Damask

So typical from Djokovic, this is better then serving it out, gets the break/set - no need to serve, and then serving 1st 2nd set....

Thiem has to win the second set

walshb

Thiem hitting through the ball here...doing well.

lostcat

Djokovic looking uncharicteristically nervous

Hego Damask

Djokovic completely lost it mentally

Mantis Toboggan

Theim badly needs to go on and win this set now.

walshb

Thiem’s UE count is hurting him.

Hego Damask

4-4 Break Back

walshb

Nole two serve time ‘faults’ in a row...

Cost him a first serve...

Hego Damask

and that could be it for Djokovic at least if he doesn't get his head sorted

lostcat

Very uncontrolled set there from Djokovic, Thiem looking more likely to win this from here in fact

lostcat

lostcat wrote: »

Very uncontrolled set there from Djokovic, Thiem looking more likely to win this from here in fact

I woudn't put it past Djokovic to sort himself though. He has done it before in finals.

yerwanthere123

LOVE this umpire!
Djokovic needs to start accusing him of being sexist, racist and repeatedly scream "I'm a father!!1"