Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

FrostyJack

da_miser wrote: »

Take of the blinkers, its easy to see why Trump will win.
Pre Covid-19 Got rid of the pandemic response team

Economy booming Hardly booming, the stock market was up and down like the saucy bluebells thanks to Trump helping his friends short sell, everything put on the credit card, rich getting richer, deficit exploding

Withdrawing troops from Afghanistan This hasn't happened yet in any great number and Trump will probably go back on the treaty like he does on every other one

Exposing the Dems selling out USA to China, transfer of tech, patents, jobs and so on Exposing? Everyone knows it is going on, it is still going on, what has Trump done to stop it, are his ties and families clothing and jewelry still made there with his Maga hats?
Don't underestimate the public love of the military, Trump is one of them Constantly abusing military members like McCain and the Generals

The obvious BS of the Russian collusion , only a idiot still believes these Dem lies, and now every day it look like projection as the Dems are in bed with China big style. All US intelligence agencies and most around the World say Russia interfered in the election to get Trump elected, there is evidence on this forum for that. The Mueller report clearly shows Russia tried to aid Trump campaign and the campaign actively looked for that help.

The most simple reason of all , USA used to lead the world in all fields, it has fallen behind and its clear to see, Trump comes along with MAGA, very easy to connect to, the pubic want success, Obama told them those days are gone and to accept it, Trump said Hell No! We are going to MAGA.Yeah America used to lead in some areas, then January 2017 happened and now they are a laughing stock, all old allegiances thrown in the bin, dooms day clock is closer to midnight than ever in history, the country is more divided then in history, science and empathy out the window, you would swear it was some kind of wish list someone like Putin would have wanted

Land slide in election is coming, i can feel it building. Yeah most likely but not in the way you think

Hope this helps

abff

namloc1980 wrote: »

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Deluded.

I think it would be a lot more accurate if he changed the word "for" to "to".

RIGOLO

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Where though?. whatever Reddit channel you are looking at aside , there hasn't been a single piece of evidence to suggest that Trump has received any electoral benefit from his recent actions.

And - The "tide turning" - He's the incumbent , he shouldn't have to turn any tide.

The Economy is what matters and all historical evidence suggests that the state of the Economy about 6 months out from the Election is the critical time in terms of people making decisions on voting.

The bottom line is "Are people better off now than they were the last time they voted"?

The answer to that question is a categorical No.

Trump current actions are not making him popular with more people ,there simply aren't current Democrat or Independent voters who are looking at what Trump has done over the last week or so and thinking "I'm changing my vote , I'm voting Trump".

His actions might be energising his existing support base to be more vocal in places like Reddit or elsewhere , which might explain what you are seeing , but an actual shift in the mix of voters isn't borne out by any data.

In fact what you see is a hardening of the negative opinion - The volume of those that "Strongly" oppose him is increasing and only 12% or so of the near 60% were in the "somewhat oppose" bucket. That's a large part of the reason I don't buy the "Shy Trump voter" angle.

If you were this mythical "Shy" supporter and you had the choice to respond "Oppose" or "Strongly Oppose" are we really supposed to believe that you are SO shy you chose the "Strongly oppose" option?

Well then that opinion is at odds to the two ANTI-TRUMP American intellectuals (Lionel Shriver, and PJ O Rourke, who spent an hour discussing him on an Intelligence Squared public debate. Both were in full agreement that polling is meaningless in this day and age, the felt most respondents would not be truthful especially if it came to expressing support for Trump.

Im glad to see some Democrat voters have come around to thinking the same way Ive been thinking for 4 years about polling on Trump. Its always nice to be proven correct.

So if your arguing with a Trump supporter about the existence of the 'shy Trump supporter' its evident your also arguing with 2 heavy weight anti-Trump intellectuals who agree with the fore-mentioned Trump supporter on this point.

crazy isnt it..

Christy42

RIGOLO wrote: »

Well then that opinion is at odds to the two ANTI-TRUMP American intellectuals (Lionel Shriver, and PJ O Rourke, who spent an hour discussing him on an Intelligence Squared public debate. Both were in full agreement that polling is meaningless in this day and age, the felt most respondents would not be truthful especially if it came to expressing support for Trump.

Im glad to see some Democrat voters have come around to thinking the same way Ive been thinking for 4 years about polling on Trump. Its always nice to be proven correct.

So if your arguing with a Trump supporter about the existence of the 'shy Trump supporter' its evident your also arguing with 2 heavy weight anti-Trump intellectuals who agree with the fore-mentioned Trump supporter on this point.

crazy isnt it..

Has it ever shown up in an actual election ever?

da_miser

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Missouri, Georgia, Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, Indianapolis, Kentucky, Tennessee and Texas are all hotspot areas with Republican governors.

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Another problem with this line of wishful thinking from you, on top of the one Quin Dub pointed out:



At least four of those are key swing states.

As we have learned from Andrew Cuomo(D) governor of New York, the Mayor of NYC Bill de Blasio(D) is the one who will ask for help to quash the rioters, so far he has not, now what have all the states with riots going on in cities got in common?
Missouri. St Louis, Dem mayor
Georgia, Atlanta, Dem mayor
Ohio, Columbus, Dem mayor
North Carolina, Raleigh, Dem mayor
Florida, Tallahassee , Dem mayor
Indiana, Indianapolis, Dem mayor
Tennessee, Nashville, Dem mayor
Texas, Austin, Dem mayor

This is a huge PR win for Trump, the Dems are weak and would rather let the country burn that MAGA, Reagan style landslide in November for Trump , the Dem run cities will see the Republican ones have faired much better and they will want the same.

RIGOLO

Christy42 wrote: »

Has it ever shown up in an actual election ever?

what a question to ask after Trumps come from no where, beating all the polls , defying all the betting odds , destroying all the expectations that Hilary would romp home and Trump didnt have the support ....

Has it ever shown up in an actual election ever ???

Now i remember why i stayed off this farm for so long ..... thanks for reminding me. Talk to y'all closer to November , have a nice summer

RIGOLO

da_miser wrote: »

As we have learned from Andrew Cuomo(D) governor of New York, the Mayor of NYC Bill de Blasio(D) is the one who will ask for help to quash the rioters, so far he has not, now what have all the states with riots going on in cities got in common?
Missouri. St Louis, Dem mayor
Georgia, Atlanta, Dem mayor
Ohio, Columbus, Dem mayor
North Carolina, Raleigh, Dem mayor
Florida, Tallahassee , Dem mayor
Indiana, Indianapolis, Dem mayor
Tennessee, Nashville, Dem mayor
Texas, Austin, Dem mayor

This is a huge PR win for Trump, the Dems are weak and would rather let the country burn that MAGA, Reagan style landslide in November for Trump , the Dem run cities will see the Republican ones have faired much better and they will want the same.

you nailed it.

Cue the accusations of deflection, just for pointing out that Democrats run 90% of the slums that african Americans inhabit and have doe for decades ..

Christy42

RIGOLO wrote: »

what a question to ask after Trumps come from no where, beating all the polls , defying all the betting odds , destroying all the expectations that Hilary would romp home and Trump didnt have the support ....

Has it ever shown up in an actual election ever ???

Now i remember why i stayed off this farm for so long ..... thanks for reminding me. Talk to y'all closer to November , have a nice summer

The % of votes both got was within 1% or 2% of the polls. So no shy Trump voters. The issue was always the distribution of voters.

abff

da_miser wrote: »

As we have learned from Andrew Cuomo(D) governor of New York, the Mayor of NYC Bill de Blasio(D) is the one who will ask for help to quash the rioters, so far he has not, now what have all the states with riots going on in cities got in common?
Missouri. St Louis, Dem mayor
Georgia, Atlanta, Dem mayor
Ohio, Columbus, Dem mayor
North Carolina, Raleigh, Dem mayor
Florida, Tallahassee , Dem mayor
Indiana, Indianapolis, Dem mayor
Tennessee, Nashville, Dem mayor
Texas, Austin, Dem mayor

This is a huge PR win for Trump, the Dems are weak and would rather let the country burn that MAGA, Reagan style landslide in November for Trump , the Dem run cities will see the Republican ones have faired much better and they will want the same.

So is your argument that the people who are rioting in those cities will decide to vote Republican in the next election? Seriously???

da_miser

Leroy42 wrote: »

If you dismiss polls, what are you basing you position on?

Your reading of some Reddit posts? Really?

The tide is turning? What was the pro v Anti trump post levels in say, January. What are they now?

Reddit was wall to wall anti Trump, now check it out
Dems are to soft on these rioters/antifa, Trump is correct, these type of posts would have not existed a month ago, as i said the tide is turning, the public are aware of the anti Trump propaganda pushed by media, they are now making decisions based on what they see with their own eyes, the Dems would rather see the USA burn than MAGA.

da_miser

timsey tiger wrote: »

Covid 19 - 100,000+ dead (mainly older -> redder voters)

It hit hardest where? NYC and Seattle, Dem controlled Cities, its killed of old Dem voters, trump will sweep the board in November.

namloc1980

da_miser wrote: »

It hit hardest where? NYC and Seattle, Dem controlled Cities, its killed of old Dem voters, trump will sweep the board in November.

What are you trying to say? That Washington and New York are now swing states due to an imagined wiping out of old democratic voters?

Timberrrrrrrr

namloc1980 wrote: »

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Deluded.

Some might say he is suffering with dementia.

da_miser

abff wrote: »

So is your argument that the people who are rioting in those cities will decide to vote Republican in the next election? Seriously???

The law abiding people living in these Dem controlled cities who make up the majority will look at the lack of riots in Republican controlled cities and say "i'll have a bit of that".
Biden has said he wants to pick a black woman for VP, and he most defiantly will now after the riots, so either Donna Brazile or Kamala Harris.
Trump landslide, it will be a total victory.

da_miser

namloc1980 wrote: »

What are you trying to say? That Washington and New York are now swing states due to an imagined wiping out of old democratic voters?

The population will now have seen the utter mismanagement of both Covid and riots by Dems, they will see how Republican run cities faired much better and want the same , whats hard to understand?

alchemist33

da_miser wrote: »

Clinton 99% Trump 1%
you know the score, polls are not to be relied on
You can see the tide is turning.
Reddit, normally 100% orange man bad, but yesterday i notice a load of topics about how the Dems are encouraging these riots, enabling them to go on, in a nut shell they are saying Trump is correct and getting up voted, and huge change from the normal.

You're looking at very different subs on reddit than I am, then. Anti-Trump sentiment has never been stronger, with the top threads getting more likes than before. And this is looking at the top threads, not the communities I'm subscribed to. If reddit is an indicator, Trump is going down in November.

Foxtrol

Apparently he went down to his bunker on Friday for an 'inspection'. His lies are so transparent

https://twitter.com/feliciasonmez/status/1268177348643389441?s=20

pixelburp

da_miser wrote: »

The law abiding people living in these Dem controlled cities who make up the majority will look at the lack of riots in Republican controlled cities and say "i'll have a bit of that".
Biden has said he wants to pick a black woman for VP, and he most defiantly will now after the riots, so either Donna Brazile or Kamala Harris.
Trump landslide, it will be a total victory.

Show some polls or actual stats demonstrating this is anything other than the prickling of your thumbs, or else stop predicting these things with false certainty. Kamela Harris isn't popular with black communities because of her past as a prosecutor so TBH based on your logic, she would shore up exactly the lapsed Democrats your claiming are either jumping ship (or apparently dying?)

da_miser

Stallingrad wrote: »

The stupidity of linking these riots with D or R politics/mayoral leadership. You are indeed deflecting, much like the Orange one does endlessly.

The rioters are enraged after yet another black person was murdered in plane sight by a racist cop. It's really not as complicated as would like it to appear.

Racist cop in a Dem run city, Dems signed of on budget /training for these police forces.

aloyisious

Mark Esper was just on CNN news apologizing at a personal level and on behalf of DOD to the Floyd family on their loss. He stated that N/G forces did not fire either gas nor rubber bullets at the protestors in Lafayette Park, that he intended during his walk through the park to meet and talk to the N/G people on duty there, that the General with him wearing D.P.M clothing was wearing the usual uniform for workday use, that he did not know they were going to St John's church. Ref the helicopter seen flying low in the area at the time, he stated that it was a N/G copter and the Dept had begun an investigation as to what it was doing there.

It might be pertinent to ask if Mr Esper is marking out space between himself and A.G Barr, reference the use of federal forces to fire on peaceful protestors in Lafayette Park, whatever about space between himself and his boss, Trump.

Edit: I completely forgot one absolute moment of clarity in Mark Esper's statement and that is that he said George Floyd was murdered. That's from an Admin cabinet officer.

Foxtrol

New Republican Voters Against Trump ad. He just gives these types of ads more an more ammo every single day

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1267970835358330881?s=20

Foxtrol

aloyisious wrote: »

Mark Esper was just on CNN news apologizing at a personal level and on behalf of DOD to the Floyd family on their loss. He stated that N/G forces did not fire either gas nor rubber bullets at the protestors in Lafayette Park, that he intended during his walk through the park to meet and talk to the N/G people on duty there, that the General with him wearing D.P.M clothing was wearing the usual uniform for workday use, that he did not know they were going to St John's church. Ref the helicopter seen flying low in the area at the time, he stated that it was a N/G copter and the Dept had begun an investigation as to what it was doing there.

It might be pertinent to ask if Mr Esper is marking out space between himself and A.G Barr, reference the use of federal forces to fire on peaceful protestors in Lafayette Park, whatever about space between himself and his boss, Trump.

Instead they fired pepper bags and smoke bombs which when mixed have the same impact.

They are all scrambling like rats on a sinking ship.

Timberrrrrrrr

Foxtrol wrote: »

Apparently he went down to his bunker on Friday for an 'inspection'. His lies are so transparent

https://twitter.com/feliciasonmez/status/1268177348643389441?s=20

It's like a lie you would tell a 5 year old to get them to go to bed.

BonnieSituation

Foxtrol wrote: »

Apparently he went down to his bunker on Friday for an 'inspection'. His lies are so transparent

https://twitter.com/feliciasonmez/status/1268177348643389441?s=20

I thought we'd all moved on from that. And now he's back talking about it. He's so politically naive it's mind-blowing.

Imagine how much better we'd all have been if he had tested positive, you know, in a negative sense, and he could be copped up for 2 weeks or so away from the world.

ancapailldorcha

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Just a reminder to all - Let's avoid the nicknames etc. here please.

Keep it civil

Thanks

Posts deleted and ban issued.

aloyisious

F/B has taken action in recent days against a fake antifa page set up in the U.S connected to 2 right wing white supremacists [Proud Boys and one other] taking down the page. It's reported the origins began with a group in Finland which has linked with the U.S white supremacist racist groups there. It's a breaking story so more facts are yet to emerge. It'd be good if the info uncovered would be turned over directly to A.G Barr on a live or recorded link to ensure he gets off his seat and prosecute the racists behind the set-up in the U.S.

BonnieSituation

Foxtrol wrote: »

Instead they fired pepper bags and smoke bombs which when mixed have the same impact.

They are all scrambling like rats on a sinking ship.

Esper has just made a statement saying he doesn't agree with the president about the use of troops.

So a new DefSec will be onboard soon...

Foxtrol

Looks like they're going to try to stop protests today getting anywhere near the White House.

They've armed military (who wont say what division they're from) a block away from it in all directions since curfew ended this morning, despite there being no protesters yet. Complete waste of taxpayer money and without barriers these lines wouldn't hold up to a large protest that wanted to break through

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1268184963591143425?s=20

abff

da_miser wrote: »

The law abiding people living in these Dem controlled cities who make up the majority will look at the lack of riots in Republican controlled cities and say "i'll have a bit of that". That assumes that the voters in those cities are idiots who accept Republican propaganda at face value.
Biden has said he wants to pick a black woman for VP, and he most defiantly will now after the riots, so either Donna Brazile or Kamala Harris. And this is going to damage his chances because people who otherwise would have voted for Biden will now decide to vote for Trump? The lack of common sense in arriving at that conclusion is staggering.
Trump landslide, it will be a total victory. What's your reasoning here? Do you think that if you say it loudly enough and often enough, it will convince people to vote for Trump?

See my response above.

aloyisious

da_miser wrote: »

Racist cop in a Dem run city, Dems signed of on budget /training for these police forces.

Would that be an inference that for the past three years the police force there has been running "how to be a racist cop" training courses under the nose of DOJ and with funding from it as well?