Asylum seekers accused of staging room to look bad.

handlemaster

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/video-showing-asylum-seekers-in-room-with-10-beds-appears-to-have-been-staged-department-1.4130801?mode=amp


If this turns out to be true, those doing this should be punished in some way. It's a great country that will take in people at their time of need, but this should be respected and not abused.

is_that_so

This is the real power of social media, share and react to it first. If it is a true set-up, why didn't they contact the IT or one of the Irish-based media?

lozenges

Saw this. I'm glad that at least for once news outlets aren't taking events at face value and questions are being asked, it doesn't happen particularly often.

AndyBoBandy

So this has happened twice now at the same hotel!!

I’m sorry, but find the instigators of this, and back to their country of origin with them....

Coillte_Bhoy

handlemaster wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/video-showing-asylum-seekers-in-room-with-10-beds-appears-to-have-been-staged-department-1.4130801?mode=amp


If this turns out to be true, those doing this should be punished in some way. It's a great country that will take in people at their time of need, but this should be respected and not abused.

Punished? For what and by whom exactly? What form would you like this punishment to take?

handlemaster

is_that_so wrote: »

This is the real power of social media, share and react to it first. If it is a true set-up, why didn't they contact the IT or one of the Irish-based media?

They ? Who is they ? The article is in the Irish times

handlemaster

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Punished? For what and by whom exactly? What form would you like this punishment to take?

Back at you ... should nothing be done ?

is_that_so

handlemaster wrote: »

They ? Who is they ? The article is in the Irish times

Yeah, but the video came from social media not an IT expose with them(residents).

Coillte_Bhoy

handlemaster wrote: »

Back at you ... should nothing be done ?

You brought up the idea of a punishment, im just asking how that would or could be done in your opinion

Yurt2

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Punished? For what and by whom exactly? What form would you like this punishment to take?

I very much think it should be noted on their file when it comes to assessing their claim for international protection.

We want people of good character right? This in my view does not display good character.

greendom

For punishment, a crime needs to have been committed. What's the crime?

is_that_so

greendom wrote: »

For punishment, a crime needs to have been committed. What's the crime?

Yeah, no crime but not exactly exemplary behaviour either if it's a set-up.

handlemaster

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

You brought up the idea of a punishment, im just asking how that would or could be done in your opinion

I will leave it to you on that. For you have a by suggestions? I'm not sure what it should be but it should not be ignored.

handlemaster

greendom wrote: »

For punishment, a crime needs to have been committed. What's the crime?

False representation of the accommodation is been portrayed for a reason. Find the reason find the crime.

greendom

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah, no crime but not exactly exemplary behaviour either if it's a set-up.

Pretty pointless really as it sounds like 6 have to share a bedroom anyway. The reality is bad enough and this attempt to make it appear worse still is self-defeating

Coillte_Bhoy

handlemaster wrote: »

I will leave it to you on that. For you have a by suggestions? I'm not sure what it should be but it should not be ignored.

Nah i dont have any suggestions. So lets be clear you think they should be punished but dont know how? Typical. On what legal grounds do you think this punishment could be administered?

Coillte_Bhoy

handlemaster wrote: »

False representation of the accommodation is been portrayed for a reason. Find the reason find the crime.

What ****ing crime?

Coillte_Bhoy

Yurt! wrote: »

I very much think it should be noted on their file when it comes to assessing their claim for international protection.

We want people of good character right? This in my view does not display good character.

If they are entitled to international protection, then their character is irrelevant

Kirby

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

What ****ing crime?

"a wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain."

Fraud.

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

If they are entitled to international protection, then their character is irrelevant

Really? So if a serial rapist, paedophile, murderer from another country requested asylum they should just receive it? Get off it. Character is extremely important. I'm sure you will try to equivocate that "actions do not indicate character" but you would be dead wrong.

ThunbergsAreGo

Pretty low down thing to do. Damage any reputation the hotelier has.

As for a punishment maybe those that were involved redistributed. It should count against then as part of their application.

the_pen_turner

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Nah i dont have any suggestions. So lets be clear you think they should be punished but dont know how? Typical. On what legal grounds do you think this punishment could be administered?

you dont need to know the ins and outs of our legal system to know that if this is true that it is very wrong and cannot be brushed under the carpet.
i dont know what punishment is availible etc but surely it has to break some law someway.

it is a total misreprisentations of the fact and tring to twist the situation to their own end. scumbag behaviour in my opinioun

Yurt2

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

If they are entitled to international protection, then their character is irrelevant

False. International Protection Act 2015:

"The Minister shall have regard to...

(c) the character and conduct of the applicant both within and (where relevant and ascertainable) outside the State (including any criminal convictions),

(d) considerations of national security and public order, and

(e) any other considerations of the common good."

enricoh

In a dp centre in limerick one of them started a fire the other day.
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/505846/man-arrested-after-fire-at-direct-provision-centre-in-limerick.html

next flight out , thanks for the memories. In reality it'll probably speed up him getting his gaff n Dole - someone's else's problem then.

Will I Am Not

greendom wrote: »

For punishment, a crime needs to have been committed.

Not necessarily. There are repercussions for poorly conducting yourself in all walks of life.

Wibbs

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

If they are entitled to international protection, then their character is irrelevant

If they are entitled to international protection, then why the need to falsify their state?

US2

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

If they are entitled to international protection, then their character is irrelevant

That's actually a scary mindset you have there.

Boredstiff666

If I was in danger or homeless and somebody offered me refuge. I would be glad to be safe......have a roof over my head.....and to be given food.

The last thing I would ever do is complain about having to share a room or a few wires loose in the ceiling.

I would imagine any other 'genuine' refugee would be exactly the same as me.

Nobody gives the homeless sleeping on our streets such luxuries.

Send them back to where they came from if they don't like what they are given good or bad and then they can take the hospitality of somebody else willing to offer it them.

Meanwhile I would put some homeless people in their terrible nasty rooms.

is_that_so

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

If they are entitled to international protection, then their character is irrelevant

Ordinary, decent criminal standard at least, please!

Kermit.de.frog

Yurt! wrote: »

I very much think it should be noted on their file when it comes to assessing their claim for international protection.

We want people of good character right? This in my view does not display good character.

What will the children be like?

Diversity - is that going to be the mantra?

JohnCleary

A non working fire alarm?
An electrical cable hanging from the ceiling?

B1tch please, I've had to pay for worse in Thailand.

If you don't like it, go sleep under a shelter. I'm sure there's people who would bite their hand off for a roof over their heads.

This country needs to wake up.

JohnCleary

JohnCleary wrote: »

A non working fire alarm?
An electrical cable hanging from the ceiling?

B1tch please, I've had to pay for worse in Thailand.

If you don't like it, go sleep under a shelter. I'm sure there's people who would bite their hand off for a roof over their heads.

This country needs to wake up.

I pay for worse here in our country! I don't complain. We get on with it. Work hard to ensure a nicer home in the future.
We've got wires coming out of a wall. We covered them up. We've got mould we take care of it. We got many problems in out rented accommodation but there's feck all else to rent so we do the best we can do with what we have.
If I were in dire straights in another country and a country gave me refuge I'd be thankful grateful and work towards a better life. Not moaning and waiting to get on the social jackpot for life.
These people don't see the woods for the trees all they want is more more and more.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What will the children be like?

Diversity - is that going to be the mantra?

The children (will) have a massive chip on their shoulders for their host country and its natives...

Coillte_Bhoy

US2 wrote: »

That's actually a scary mindset you have there.

I was actually just articulating what i thought the legal situation would be and not my personal opinion, i was obviously completely wrong, the actual act has been quoted and i accept that

Boredstiff666

Deleted User wrote: »

These people don't see the woods for the trees all they want is more more and more.

And they will get it. Look what happened in the UK when the lunatics ran the asylum and what has happened since.

Should gather about 10 homeless families off the streets and take them to Higgins other homes and put them up there being as he always lectures others on being compassionate to migrants dressed up as refugees.

I wonder what would happen.

JohnCleary

Deleted User wrote: »

The children (will) have a massive chip on their shoulders for their host country and its natives...

We'll, they're welcome to fcuk off, just like I'm also welcome to fcukoff if I don't like Ireland and just like many others did

Badly Drunk Boy

greendom wrote: »

For punishment, a crime needs to have been committed. What's the crime?

For criminal punishment, a crime needs to have been committed. I'm sure they can be denied the protection they are looking for in Ireland, for not 'playing ball' while here if that's deemed necessary.

greendom wrote: »

Pretty pointless really as it sounds like 6 have to share a bedroom anyway. The reality is bad enough and this attempt to make it appear worse still is self-defeating

There are 71 people in 19 rooms, so less than 4 per room on average, with no more than 6 to a room, probably for a larger room. That's not too hard to figure out.

tabby aspreme

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The children (will) have a massive chip on their shoulders for their host country and its natives...

A whole generation of Ebun Joesph's on the way.

pgj2015

you would see more beds crammed into a room on a stag weekend. whats the big deal?, they are asylum seekers not on a Mediterranean cruise, they are lucky to be here.

the beer revolu

tabby aspreme wrote: »

A whole generation of Ebun Joesph's on the way.

Ebun Joseph's what?

Bobblehats

the beer revolu wrote: »

Ebun Joseph's what?

Ebum Joseph’s crotch

Kivaro

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I was actually just articulating what i thought the legal situation would be and not my personal opinion, i was obviously completely wrong, the actual act has been quoted and i accept that

Fair play to you for accepting that.
Others, especially on this particular topic, spout their views as fact, and when shown otherwise (repeatedly and from varied sources), they either run away from the truth and deny the reality.

That is the whole nature of a bulletin board like this; we all learn new things on it, and when we are wrong we are put right (thankfully). It is a learning experience.

Mongfinder General

The direct provision system baffles me. It is absurd.
Arrive here undocumented without a shirt on your back or a penny to your name and you end up in a direct provision centre with cooked meals, clothing, a bed and a roof over your head.


Meanwhile a citizen who falls on hard times is given the option of sleeping in a doorway or kipping in a hostel where they're likely to be accosted and subjected to anti social behaviour on a regular basis.

At a minimum, a homeless person should be offered access to direct provision.

Strumms

Yurt! wrote: »

I very much think it should be noted on their file when it comes to assessing their claim for international protection.

We want people of good character right? This in my view does not display good character.

Precisely, we don’t want people who go to dishonest lengths to further their goals. It’s not behavior of good character, it’s disingenuous... that we can do without.

phill106

greendom wrote: »

For punishment, a crime needs to have been committed. What's the crime?

How about attempted fraud?

minikin

Those who moved their beds in order to stage this should be left in this windowless room. Perhaps then they may start to appreciate what they had before they acted the rollocks.

kennypowers

Im sure they were hoping for the same success that Margaret Cash achieved with her staged photo .Maybe they should hire her as a campaigner/adviser.

pgj2015

kennypowers wrote: »

Im sure they were hoping for the same success that Margaret Cash achieved with her staged photo .Maybe they should hire her as a campaigner/adviser.

she is too busy being robbed by the government.

TwoMonthsOff

Fraudsters.

US2

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

Fraudsters.

Yes, isn't it a fact that over 90% of then are fraudulent and void

handlemaster

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Nah i dont have any suggestions. So lets be clear you think they should be punished but dont know how? Typical. On what legal grounds do you think this punishment could be administered?

I dont have all the answers. There are lots on here that do.
But one thing is sure people shouldn't bite the hand that's feeding them and giving them shelter.

pure.conya

lozenges wrote: »

Saw this. I'm glad that at least for once news outlets aren't taking events at face value and questions are being asked, it doesn't happen particularly often.

and the same scrutiny would never be invested where it needs to be