Asylum seekers accused of staging room to look bad.

handlemaster · 05-01-2020 10:34AM #1

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/video-showing-asylum-seekers-in-room-with-10-beds-appears-to-have-been-staged-department-1.4130801?mode=amp

If this turns out to be true, those doing this should be punished in some way. It's a great country that will take in people at their time of need, but this should be respected and not abused.

is_that_so · 05-01-2020 10:37AM

This is the real power of social media, share and react to it first. If it is a true set-up, why didn't they contact the IT or one of the Irish-based media?

lozenges · 05-01-2020 10:39AM

Saw this. I'm glad that at least for once news outlets aren't taking events at face value and questions are being asked, it doesn't happen particularly often.

AndyBoBandy · 05-01-2020 10:48AM

So this has happened twice now at the same hotel!!

I’m sorry, but find the instigators of this, and back to their country of origin with them....

Coillte_Bhoy · 05-01-2020 10:50AM

handlemaster wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/video-showing-asylum-seekers-in-room-with-10-beds-appears-to-have-been-staged-department-1.4130801?mode=amp

If this turns out to be true, those doing this should be punished in some way. It's a great country that will take in people at their time of need, but this should be respected and not abused.

Punished? For what and by whom exactly? What form would you like this punishment to take?

handlemaster · 05-01-2020 10:51AM

is_that_so wrote: »

This is the real power of social media, share and react to it first. If it is a true set-up, why didn't they contact the IT or one of the Irish-based media?

They ? Who is they ? The article is in the Irish times

handlemaster · 05-01-2020 11:00AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Punished? For what and by whom exactly? What form would you like this punishment to take?

Back at you ... should nothing be done ?

is_that_so · 05-01-2020 11:03AM

handlemaster wrote: »

They ? Who is they ? The article is in the Irish times

Yeah, but the video came from social media not an IT expose with them(residents).

Coillte_Bhoy · 05-01-2020 11:05AM

handlemaster wrote: »

Back at you ... should nothing be done ?

You brought up the idea of a punishment, im just asking how that would or could be done in your opinion

Yurt2 · 05-01-2020 11:05AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Punished? For what and by whom exactly? What form would you like this punishment to take?

I very much think it should be noted on their file when it comes to assessing their claim for international protection.

We want people of good character right? This in my view does not display good character.

greendom · 05-01-2020 11:07AM

For punishment, a crime needs to have been committed. What's the crime?

is_that_so · 05-01-2020 11:10AM

greendom wrote: »

For punishment, a crime needs to have been committed. What's the crime?

Yeah, no crime but not exactly exemplary behaviour either if it's a set-up.

handlemaster · 05-01-2020 11:10AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

You brought up the idea of a punishment, im just asking how that would or could be done in your opinion

I will leave it to you on that. For you have a by suggestions? I'm not sure what it should be but it should not be ignored.

handlemaster · 05-01-2020 11:12AM

greendom wrote: »

For punishment, a crime needs to have been committed. What's the crime?

False representation of the accommodation is been portrayed for a reason. Find the reason find the crime.

greendom · 05-01-2020 11:15AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah, no crime but not exactly exemplary behaviour either if it's a set-up.

Pretty pointless really as it sounds like 6 have to share a bedroom anyway. The reality is bad enough and this attempt to make it appear worse still is self-defeating

Coillte_Bhoy · 05-01-2020 11:20AM

handlemaster wrote: »

I will leave it to you on that. For you have a by suggestions? I'm not sure what it should be but it should not be ignored.

Nah i dont have any suggestions. So lets be clear you think they should be punished but dont know how? Typical. On what legal grounds do you think this punishment could be administered?

Coillte_Bhoy · 05-01-2020 11:22AM

handlemaster wrote: »

False representation of the accommodation is been portrayed for a reason. Find the reason find the crime.

What ****ing crime?

Coillte_Bhoy · 05-01-2020 11:23AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I very much think it should be noted on their file when it comes to assessing their claim for international protection.

We want people of good character right? This in my view does not display good character.

If they are entitled to international protection, then their character is irrelevant

Kirby · 05-01-2020 11:25AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

What ****ing crime?

"a wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain."

Fraud.

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

If they are entitled to international protection, then their character is irrelevant

Really? So if a serial rapist, paedophile, murderer from another country requested asylum they should just receive it? Get off it. Character is extremely important. I'm sure you will try to equivocate that "actions do not indicate character" but you would be dead wrong.

ThunbergsAreGo · 05-01-2020 11:26AM

Pretty low down thing to do. Damage any reputation the hotelier has.

As for a punishment maybe those that were involved redistributed. It should count against then as part of their application.

the_pen_turner · 05-01-2020 11:28AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Nah i dont have any suggestions. So lets be clear you think they should be punished but dont know how? Typical. On what legal grounds do you think this punishment could be administered?

you dont need to know the ins and outs of our legal system to know that if this is true that it is very wrong and cannot be brushed under the carpet.
i dont know what punishment is availible etc but surely it has to break some law someway.

it is a total misreprisentations of the fact and tring to twist the situation to their own end. scumbag behaviour in my opinioun

Yurt2 · 05-01-2020 11:29AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

If they are entitled to international protection, then their character is irrelevant

False. International Protection Act 2015:

"The Minister shall have regard to...

(c) the character and conduct of the applicant both within and (where relevant and ascertainable) outside the State (including any criminal convictions),

(d) considerations of national security and public order, and

(e) any other considerations of the common good."

enricoh · 05-01-2020 11:33AM

In a dp centre in limerick one of them started a fire the other day.
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/505846/man-arrested-after-fire-at-direct-provision-centre-in-limerick.html

next flight out , thanks for the memories. In reality it'll probably speed up him getting his gaff n Dole - someone's else's problem then.

Will I Am Not · 05-01-2020 11:33AM

greendom wrote: »

For punishment, a crime needs to have been committed.

Not necessarily. There are repercussions for poorly conducting yourself in all walks of life.

Wibbs · 05-01-2020 11:47AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

If they are entitled to international protection, then their character is irrelevant

If they are entitled to international protection, then why the need to falsify their state?

US2 · 05-01-2020 11:49AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

If they are entitled to international protection, then their character is irrelevant

That's actually a scary mindset you have there.

Boredstiff666 · 05-01-2020 11:50AM

If I was in danger or homeless and somebody offered me refuge. I would be glad to be safe......have a roof over my head.....and to be given food.

The last thing I would ever do is complain about having to share a room or a few wires loose in the ceiling.

I would imagine any other 'genuine' refugee would be exactly the same as me.

Nobody gives the homeless sleeping on our streets such luxuries.

Send them back to where they came from if they don't like what they are given good or bad and then they can take the hospitality of somebody else willing to offer it them.

Meanwhile I would put some homeless people in their terrible nasty rooms.

is_that_so · 05-01-2020 11:50AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

If they are entitled to international protection, then their character is irrelevant

Ordinary, decent criminal standard at least, please!

Kermit.de.frog · 05-01-2020 11:51AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I very much think it should be noted on their file when it comes to assessing their claim for international protection.

We want people of good character right? This in my view does not display good character.

What will the children be like?

Diversity - is that going to be the mantra?

JohnCleary · 05-01-2020 11:52AM

A non working fire alarm?
An electrical cable hanging from the ceiling?

B1tch please, I've had to pay for worse in Thailand.

If you don't like it, go sleep under a shelter. I'm sure there's people who would bite their hand off for a roof over their heads.

This country needs to wake up.

05-01-2020 12:29PM

JohnCleary wrote: »

A non working fire alarm?
An electrical cable hanging from the ceiling?

B1tch please, I've had to pay for worse in Thailand.

If you don't like it, go sleep under a shelter. I'm sure there's people who would bite their hand off for a roof over their heads.

This country needs to wake up.

I pay for worse here in our country! I don't complain. We get on with it. Work hard to ensure a nicer home in the future.
We've got wires coming out of a wall. We covered them up. We've got mould we take care of it. We got many problems in out rented accommodation but there's feck all else to rent so we do the best we can do with what we have.
If I were in dire straights in another country and a country gave me refuge I'd be thankful grateful and work towards a better life. Not moaning and waiting to get on the social jackpot for life.
These people don't see the woods for the trees all they want is more more and more.

Asylum seekers accused of staging room to look bad.

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