WandaVision - Disney+ (***Spoilers***)

The Inbetween is mine

So we've had 3 episodes of generational sitcoms....we get it.... there's a coma situation or somesuch...it's all very unnecessary & could turn many people off the series....it's not just androids that can cry

Birneybau

jface187 wrote: »

I lost any interest in this show. I got Disney + for this and not going to renew it when the month comes up. I'm sure the second half of this show will pick up but I find this show a failure of storytelling.
You can say all you want about slow-paced, but they're just dragging things out. They have gone out of their way to recreate these classic American sitcoms which mean next to nothing to most foreign and younger audiences. I haven't laughed once at any of the attempts at comedy and there no attempt at moving the main story forward.
I worried about the Dinsey+ going down the Marvel Netflix route, but at least the Marvel Netflix would start strong and then hit the brakes in the middle, Wanda-Vision is still in the car park.

Why didn't you wait until it was all up? :rolleyes:

FunLover18

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't see the need to spoiler stuff that may never happen and people can scroll past what they don't want to read.

It makes page impossible to read on mobile devices.

I use the mobile site on my phone all the time and I've never found spoilers annoying. As I said some people may just want to discuss or read stuff about what has already happened, I'd rather make it easier for them to avoid stuff as it's something I myself appreciate.

jface187

Birneybau wrote: »

Why didn't you wait until it was all up? :rolleyes:

Cause I wanted to watch week to week to avoid spoilers, but since clearly much isn't going to happen and the show will have dropped off the radar by the time things ramp up, I can just wait till Falcon & Winter Solider comes out and watch the rest of it then.

Foxtrol

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

So we've had 3 episodes of generational sitcoms....we get it.... there's a coma situation or somesuch...it's all very unnecessary & could turn many people off the series....it's not just androids that can cry

How can building a world, the characters in it, and their relationships be deemed 'very unnecessary'?

FunLover18

In three 25 minute episodes Wanda has given birth to twins fathered by a dead android. We knew there were going to be 9 episodes so I'm not sure what pace people were expecting.

The Inbetween is mine

Foxtrol wrote: »

How can building a world, the characters in it, and their relationships be deemed 'very unnecessary'?

Because when we are introduced to the real world when she awakes..all these characters either disappear...or they are incorporated into the real time scenario, as maybe hydra agents and fellow abductees.
Something that could be done in 15 mins in 1 episode.
As I alluded to a few days ago, its somebody's "oh look at me, aren't I clever" moment with the direction it's going...and I'm afraid it's just not working for me...
Compare it to Jessica Jones & Daredevil..not even in the same ballpark re production, storyline, building and connecting characters....
I am of course going to stick with it.. but at the moment it just seems to be all so unnecessary

FunLover18

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Because when we are introduced to the real world when she awakes..all these characters either disappear...or they are incorporated into the real time scenario, as maybe hydra agents and fellow abductees.
Something that could be done in 15 mins in 1 episode.
As I alluded to a few days ago, its somebody's "oh look at me, aren't I clever" moment with the direction it's going...and I'm afraid it's just not working for me...
Compare it to Jessica Jones & Daredevil..not even in the same ballpark re production, storyline, building and connecting characters....
I am of course going to stick with it.. but at the moment it just seems to be all so unnecessary

Jesus that would have been awful!! Where's the drama in that? Those kinds of reveals have to have a dramatic impact for the audience and the characters, there's literally no consequences at all if someone the audience and Wanda have known for 15 minutes turns out to be a hydra agent or a figment of her imagination. The show is literally building and connecting characters, something you claim to want and we don't know who will be left standing or what side they'll be on when this reality all comes crumbling down. The introduction to the real world has to mean something to the audience and the characters, there has to be stakes. This is a very different type of show to the Netflix shows but I'm actually at a loss as to how you could think the production is of a lower standard.

The Inbetween is mine

FunLover18 wrote: »

Jesus that would have been awful!! Where's the drama in that? Those kinds of reveals have to have a dramatic impact for the audience and the characters, there's literally no consequences at all if someone the audience and Wanda have known for 15 minutes turns out to be a hydra agent or a figment of her imagination. The show is literally building and connecting characters, something you claim to want and we don't know who will be left standing or what side they'll be on when this reality all comes crumbling down. The introduction to the real world has to mean something to the audience and the characters, there has to be stakes. This is a very different type of show to the Netflix shows but I'm actually at a loss as to how you could think the production is of a lower standard.

Well we are still guessing as to what the big reveal will be...there's actually no guarantee that any of these people will play any part in the final reveal after the 80's and 90's episodes.
And if anyone is being honest, it's obvious the production so far is of a lower standard...it's not even close.
But as I said, I will stick with it... only in the hopes that the show will finally redeem itself in the second half

Foxtrol

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Because when we are introduced to the real world when she awakes..all these characters either disappear...or they are incorporated into the real time scenario, as maybe hydra agents and fellow abductees.
Something that could be done in 15 mins in 1 episode.
As I alluded to a few days ago, its somebody's "oh look at me, aren't I clever" moment with the direction it's going...and I'm afraid it's just not working for me...
Compare it to Jessica Jones & Daredevil..not even in the same ballpark re production, storyline, building and connecting characters....
I am of course going to stick with it.. but at the moment it just seems to be all so unnecessary

You're entitled to your opinion but I have seen more character, relationships, and worldbuilding in a single episode of children's cartoons than what you are asking for.

I'm really happy they haven't gone your direction as not only do I believe it would be absolutely rubbish, it would have made the whole dream/sitcom piece completely pointless. From what we've seen so far, the investment we're making in the dream scenes have direct real world consequences, something that is normally lacking from these and drives me crazy about them.

The Inbetween is mine

Foxtrol wrote: »

I'm really happy they haven't gone your direction as not only do I believe it would be absolutely rubbish, it would have made the whole dream/sitcom piece completely pointless..

The very fact that my direction would not include any dream sequence whatsoever seems to have escaped you
I could maybe have taken 15 mins to set a tone for forthcoming episodes... but that would have been more than sufficient

Foxtrol

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

The very fact that my direction would not include any dream sequence whatsoever seems to have escaped you
I could maybe have taken 15 mins to set a tone for forthcoming episodes... but that would have been more than sufficient

That hasn't escaped me at all. In this thread I've repeatedly stated that though I'm not a fan dream sequences, nearly every minute of the entire MCU and nearly every minute that is lined up for the future is in the 'real world', so I'm open to them trying something different here. It isn't like they snuck it in, it was advertised heavily.

To me the worst thing would be for them to completely half ass the dream scenes and do them for part of an episode or two and it all just be some nod to her mental state or to set 'a tone' and have zero 'real world' impacts. Time we're investing in the dream scenes look to actually mean something, I'm definitely coming around to it more as the episodes go on.

FunLover18

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Well we are still guessing as to what the big reveal will be...there's actually no guarantee that any of these people will play any part in the final reveal after the 80's and 90's episodes.
And if anyone is being honest, it's obvious the production so far is of a lower standard...it's not even close.
But as I said, I will stick with it... only in the hopes that the show will finally redeem itself in the second half

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that the production is of a lower standard but I feel I should point out that the show is aiming for the production values of the sitcoms it is mimicking, so the sets are studio sets as they would be for a multicam sitcom and the outdoor scenes are shot deliberately on a back lot. In the last episode I think they were in a studio with painted backgrounds, again this isn't bad production, if anything it's the opposite, they're just committing to a format which would not usually have high production standards. The costumes and hair has been spot on too and it's changing from episode to episode, even the layout of the house has changed three times now to match the era. Personallly I think the production is amazing.

Smacruairi

I think it comes down to plot vs characters. Vision was used sparingly in her movies. Wanda a bigger role, but their romance in endgame was very much a "oh they've been dating for ages now". Its nice to actually get to know the characters a bit more, particularly for those who don't get their own film.

If you want the mystery box opened and the problem solved, I understand why you might be frustrated with the show. Me, I'm enjoying the characters. I didn't know vis was a family man, that he could gum up his parts, that he is not as slick as iron man with distraction. Similarly I didn't know Wanda was so maternal, how much she wanted to fit in, how deeply pietros death affected her. I have an idea of this now.

I like breaking bad, but Jesus it was slow. But it meant we got to realise skyler was a bitch, Walts slow turn, and that he had the capacity for great evil. That's what the show is trying to do. I like it. Means at the end myself and the wife actually discuss the show.

AlmightyCushion

Smacruairi wrote: »

I think it comes down to plot vs characters. Vision was used sparingly in her movies. Wanda a bigger role, but their romance in endgame was very much a "oh they've been dating for ages now". Its nice to actually get to know the characters a bit more, particularly for those who don't get their own film.

If you want the mystery box opened and the problem solved, I understand why you might be frustrated with the show. Me, I'm enjoying the characters. I didn't know vis was a family man, that he could gum up his parts, that he is not as slick as iron man with distraction. Similarly I didn't know Wanda was so maternal, how much she wanted to fit in, how deeply pietros death affected her. I have an idea of this now.

I like breaking bad, but Jesus it was slow. But it meant we got to realise skyler was a bitch, Walts slow turn, and that he had the capacity for great evil. That's what the show is trying to do. I like it. Means at the end myself and the wife actually discuss the show.

This really shouldn't be compared to Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad was slow at times but it was amazing. I actually don't think Wandavision is slow. The pace is decent and it is revealing more about the mystery in each episode. However, it is also not amazing. Quite the opposite, so far it has mostly been rubbish.

Smacruairi

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

This really shouldn't be compared to Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad was slow at times but it was amazing. I actually don't think Wandavision is slow. The pace is decent and it is revealing more about the mystery in each episode. However, it is also not amazing. Quite the opposite, so far it has mostly been rubbish.

The comparison to breaking bad was for those who want to truncate the series. How many shots of Walter Jr eating breakfast did we need. Patience was my point. And no, this isn't prestige TV, but I still think its rather good. But different opinions are OK. (unless it's about star trek discovery, which is muck)

AlmightyCushion

Smacruairi wrote: »

The comparison to breaking bad was for those who want to truncate the series. How many shots of Walter Jr eating breakfast did we need. Patience was my point. And no, this isn't prestige TV, but I still think its rather good. But different opinions are OK. (unless it's about star trek discovery, which is muck)

Please don't insult muck like that. :pac:

joficeduns1

Agree on the production quality being exactly what it needs to be. The authenticity for the "period" sets is tribute to the time they're representing. The budget for WV is $150m if I remember correct. So far I'd say we've seen a very small fraction, with the later episodes ramping up in sets, CGI, and action sequences.

pixelburp

I haven't seen a single episode of the show, yet this thread has been kinda fascinating to read for the back & forth. A "divisive" show by the looks of things but nice to see Marvel at least know how to make something a bit off their beaten track all the same ...

EoinMcLovin

They have some previews for tomorrow's episode on youtube so I'd say it will definitely pick up the pace tomorrow

The Inbetween is mine

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Well we are still guessing as to what the big reveal will be...there's actually no guarantee that any of these people will play any part in the final reveal after the 80's and 90's episodes.
And if anyone is being honest, it's obvious the production so far is of a lower standard...it's not even close.
But as I said, I will stick with it... only in the hopes that the show will finally redeem itself in the second half

You realise that the lower standard is because they are trying to mimic the old shows? Thats why it is in black and white and then 4-3.

I like it more than I expected. I am not marvel geek but I have watched about half of them, and what's good to me is how the episodes are fairly self contained and often funny in their own way. The magic show for instance.

As to what is going on, it seems fairly clear to me who is controlling this and why.

The Inbetween is mine

Incorrect assumption is incorrect.

Varik

Episode 4.

Woo seems to have been practicing his close up magic.

Agent Coulson

That was Brilliant.

shawki

In Marvel we Trust.

Opening took me by surprise, took me a minute to realise what was happening.

On a unrelated note, I guess this confirms that all the people who got blipped while on a plane didn't have a happy ending since Monica returned to the exact same spot she was in 5 years ago.

Gunmonkey

Varik wrote: »

Episode 4.

Woo seems to have been practicing his close up magic.

Yeah, loved that part.

Also

On Woos board "Why is it a hexagon?"...could it still be AIM (use a hexagon as their symbol) or just a TV transmission reference (some old sets used multiple hexagons to display images).

CastorTroy

shawki wrote: »

In Marvel we Trust.

Opening took me by surprise, took me a minute to realise what was happening.

On a unrelated note, I guess this confirms that all the people who got blipped while on a plane didn't have a happy ending since Monica returned to the exact same spot she was in 5 years ago.

Cool to see ones coming back.

Think the last Spidey showed a bit on news, but think they just appeared rather than undusting. But seeing ones coming back I was thinking what happens if they come back where someone else is. Like if someone was sitting in the chair Monica was sitting in.

And we got a timeline of when it takes place anyway. 3 weeks after the return.

Mr E

Bloody brilliant.

horgan_p

That was amazing. Closer and closer to the House of M.

schmoo2k

So I watched ep1 and gave up, not a Marvel fan boy but do enjoy the genre - should I have persevered?

dingledosser

1-3 were sh1te, but 4 was superb. To be honest, I think you could skip 2 and 3 without missing much.

Penn

dingledosser wrote: »

1-3 were sh1te, but 4 was superb. To be honest, I think you could skip 2 and 3 without missing much.

Except the entire setup and premise for the show and almost everything that's referenced in this episode.

brianregan09

4 is only superb because it answers alot of the questions episode 1-3 laid out

dingledosser

Put it this way... if you started on ep 4, having skipped 1-3, what would you miss? The fact that they're in a sitcom reality? You'd pick that up in ep 4 easily.

1-3 were unnecessary. 4 was great.

FunLover18

Honestly some of the complaints about this show just seem like trolling at this stage. To suggest you could skip the episode where Wanda is pregnant and gives birth to twins and ejects another character, fúcking hell.

Episode 4 was fantastic, I usually don't like episodes

that go back in time because they can sometimes feel like filler

but what was great and gave some really important context. I'll come back later when more people have watched it.

dingledosser

FunLover18 wrote: »

To suggest you could skip the episode where Wanda is pregnant and gives birth to twins and ejects another character, fúcking hell.

Both of these also happen in ep 4!

FunLover18

dingledosser wrote: »

Both of these also happen in ep 4!

Yeh but you see it from the perspective of the people in SWORD so you're getting what's almost a recap when there's a lot more in that episodes that adds to the mystery and characters. Wanda isn't even pregnant until the end of episode 2 and Monica/Geraldine doesn't show up till episode 2 either so her ejection means nothing.

tbahh

I've seen Marvel films over the years but I wouldn't say I am totally invested in the MCU. I found the idea of this show intriguing so I said I'd give it a go.

I tend to watch TV shows more than film so I appreciate the episodic nature of Wandavision but it's obvious not everyone is a fan of this truncated format. And this is perhaps down to Netflix, who, for the most part, release all episodes of a season in one go. Disney+, and Amazon Prime to an extent when it released season two of The Boys, obviously prefer to release it weekly. It spreads their new content over a longer period time and it, which I believe more in Disney's case, makes people subscribe for longer and therefore earn the House of M more money. Netflix is in the fortunate position of having so much content that it can constantly throw out something new, which can then be followed by something new again. Disney+ is still new to the streaming scene and their lack of new content also forces them to release it sparingly.

This is why a lot of people are frustrated. They want it all now, à la Netflix, and are not happy to have to wait around. I, too, have often fallen prey to this Netflix state of mind, but I must admit that I'm enjoying the weekly release of Wandavision. If anything, I find the episodes are a bit too short. As you soon as you get into one, the closing credits aren't too far away.

Controversial opinion but I would have preferred if Episode 4 had happened later. I know more sitcom eras are going to be used going forward but the mystery of it has been taken away a bit.

shawki

tbahh wrote: »

makes people subscribe for longer and therefore earn the House of M more money.

#UnintendedReference

dingledosser

FunLover18 wrote: »

Wanda isn't even pregnant until the end of episode 2 and Monica/Geraldine doesn't show up till episode 2 either so her ejection means nothing.

Seriously, do you think it needed 90 minutes of program to get to that?

Look, I'm delighted that you and others enjoyed eps 1-3. I found them ridiculously long for a couple of key scenes, that ultimately, were shown again in ep 4 anyway.

AlmightyCushion

tbahh wrote: »

This is why a lot of people are frustrated. They want it all now, à la Netflix, and are not happy to have to wait around. I, too, have often fallen prey to this Netflix state of mind, but I must admit that I'm enjoying the weekly release of Wandavision. If anything, I find the episodes are a bit too short. As you soon as you get into one, the closing credits aren't too far away.

No, people are frustrated because the first 3 episodes were shíte. It has nothing to do with not being able to binge watch it. There are plenty of great shows that are released weekly that don't get the same response. That is because those shows aren't ****e. We can see this show is going somewhere potentially great so is worth sticking with but it means having to put up with the rubbish that is the sitcom side of things. The solution here was to make the sitcom side of things actually decent.

tbahh wrote: »

Controversial opinion but I would have preferred if Episode 4 had happened later. I know more sitcom eras are going to be used going forward but the mystery of it has been taken away a bit.

I would agree with you here. I loved the mystery part of it and would love to have seen it teased out a bit more. However, I have a feeling it's going to be a split between the sitcom and the real world from now on so it was necessary to do this episode now. On the positive side, the sitcom parts taking up less of the screen time should make the episodes far, far better.

tbahh

shawki wrote: »

#UnintendedReference

Or was it?

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

No, people are frustrated because the first 3 episodes were shíte. It has nothing to do with not being able to binge watch it. There are plenty of great shows that are released weekly that don't get the same response. That is because those shows aren't ****e. We can see this show is going somewhere potentially great so is worth sticking with but it means having to put up with the rubbish that is the sitcom side of things. The solution here was to make the sitcom side of things actually decent.

I would agree with you here. I loved the mystery part of it and would love to have seen it teased out a bit more. However, I have a feeling it's going to be a split between the sitcom and the real world from now on so it was necessary to do this episode now. On the positive side, the sitcom parts taking up less of the screen time should make the episodes far, far better.

I'd hardly call the episodes shíte. It is trying something different. It is a television series that has branched out from a film series and the consequences of this television series are apparently setting up what is to happen in this new Phase. Divisive? Sure! Sometimes annoying? Probably! Shíte? Not at all.

Yeah, I can imagine it'll be us watching Kat Denning's character watching WandaVision.

As an aside, the name is starting to make more sense now since it is apparently Wanda's vision of this new world, even going as far to set up Wanda as the villain in her own story. However, I think it'll be probably be Kathryn Hahn's character who is the main baddie and somehow manipulating Wanda in this distorted reality.

Penn

tbahh wrote: »

As an aside, the name is starting to make more sense now since it is apparently Wanda's vision of this new world, even going as far to set up Wanda as the villain in her own story. However, I think it'll be probably be Kathryn Hahn's character who is the main baddie and somehow manipulating Wanda in this distorted reality.

Yeah I'm guessing there's more to it than it just being Wanda who created this off her own back. Even the little bit of her we saw at the funeral in Endgame, while obviously still grieving for Vision, trapping an entire town of people in an alternate reality bubble she created to bring Vision back doesn't seem like something she would have done three weeks later. I also doubt they would have Wanda be the villian for the show, so there's definitely more going on and someone else who helped engineer this.

Gunmonkey

Penn wrote: »

Yeah I'm guessing there's more to it than it just being Wanda who created this off her own back. Even the little bit of her we saw at the funeral in Endgame, while obviously still grieving for Vision, trapping an entire town of people in an alternate reality bubble she created to bring Vision back doesn't seem like something she would have done three weeks later. I also doubt they would have Wanda be the villian for the show, so there's definitely more going on and someone else who helped engineer this.

Yeah, the way she reacts at the end after Geraldine "had to leave" makes it look like she didnt have much control over it/was shocked by it.

Also

at the point she lost focus and we see dead eyed, migraine suffering Vision; since everyone else is real but being puppeted along to an extent....does that mean Wanda is marionetting the corpse of her dead BF around this whole time? Creepy!

Eduard Khil

Darcy Lewis Astro Physics hahahaha took me a few minutes to figure that out.

kerplun k

Great episode, but I have some serious issues with the season.

It’s absolutely criminal viewing this weekly. If ever a show made a case for the Netflix dump approach, this is it.

The show could have been enjoyed 10 fold if all the episodes were released at once. Honestly, when the credits rolled on this, part of me actually thought it was a cold opening, with a delayed title sequence, but boom, it’s over.

So here we are, half way through this, the first 3 episodes are basically exposition, followed by a teaser of a fourth. I knew the payoff for this was gonna be good, but it’s been absolute bollox getting here.

pah

I'm enjoying this immensley. For the people complaining that it should be released altogether why don't you just wait and binge it?

I'd love to know the age breakdown between the 2 viewpoints on this.

kerplun k

pah wrote: »

I'm enjoying this immensley. For the people complaining that it should be released altogether why don't you just wait and binge it?

I'd love to know the age breakdown between the 2 viewpoints on this.

Yeah. Raging I didn’t wait. I held out for both Mandalorians and felt it improved the experience on that show. Anyways, looks like we are into the juicy parts now.

RobbingBandit

Don't get this one

Continuity error the people coming back from the snap all rematerialised right where they vanished

Zhane

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Don't get this one

Continuity error the people coming back from the snap all rematerialised right where they vanished

I don’t see that as a error, think that was established in Spider-Man Far from home

people materialised where they disappeared. There’s a brief video where it’s a mobile video of teenagers just appearing on the basketball court