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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    To be fair to a poster who linked the following, I actually went and had a quick scan read of them.

    The World Health Organization which is part of the UN
    https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-t...sgender-people

    European Union
    https://www.ilga-europe.org/what-we-...intersex/trans

    The World Economic Forum
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/...ovements-meet/

    ACLU
    https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbt-right...etes-debunked/


    Jesus Christ. If these examples are representative of the level of intellectual and rational prowess available among contributors to the official publishing platforms of such ''respected'' institutions, I do despair.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭mohawk


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    What choice do we (especially women) have if the UN, the WHO, the Cancer Research people, Amnesty International, the whole shagging woke lot of them have started to actually call us in public, straight to our faces ''menstruators'', ''chest feeders'' and ''people with cervix''? You'd have to laugh or you'd cry.

    The more it happens the more women are becoming aware of it. The lies about it being about inclusive language are so see through. When talking about men they say men.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    What choice do we (especially women) have if the UN, the WHO, the Cancer Research people, Amnesty International, the whole shagging woke lot of them have started to actually call us in public, straight to our faces ''menstruators'', ''chest feeders'' and ''people with cervix''? You'd have to laugh or you'd cry.
    It'll go one of 2 ways. Either it will be recognised as a hideous mistake when it dawns on those pushing this stuff that engaging in a mass tongue in cheek deception dosnt actually make these people's demons go away. Or it will go full sci-fi with gender and biological sex becoming completely irrelevant. This current deranging, top down enforced newspeak will meet ever increasing resistance as it spills out of twitter and medical literature.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    It'll go one of 2 ways. Either it will be recognised as a hideous mistake when it dawns on those pushing this stuff that engaging in a mass tongue in cheek deception dosnt actually make these people's demons go away. Or it will go full sci-fi with gender and biological sex becoming completely irrelevant. This current deranging, top down enforced newspeak will meet ever increasing resistance as it spills out of twitter and medical literature.

    I think the push is for the latter. Full sci fi. Pater Tatchell, inglorious darling hero to some, has spoken of the rise of the post-heterosexist society, where everyone will be pretty much bi sexual. To me that looks like a chap looking to broaden his dating pool but it is certainly something gaining some traction. Saw recently some big percent of younger generation identify as some variant of alternative identity. Couple that with the pharmaceutical and medical industries looking to cash in on the hugely lucrative body modification market, all the way from merely puffy lips to full on nullo surgery and who knows what next. Womb transplants etc. I suppose really if one took a macro over-arching view of the novel of planet earth it is the only way the narrative could go on a planet at our stage of technical advancement coupled with ever more prevalent emotional instability and narcissism. Medicate every mental and emotional ill from child hood, sexualise from infancy with omnipresent porn and liminal sex-based advertising, pour endocrine-disrupting chemicals into the environment and food, break down all traditional concepts of family life, make everyone into dumb feudal consumers rather than thoughtful citizens, encourage anti-natalism, blare constant eco-disaster prognostications. Etc etc. No wonder the place is going fcuking mad.
    Anyways!! Enough cheerfulness from me! :) I have actual work to be doing!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    National Geographic sounding their woke-klaxon now...article published yesterday.

    Women hunted. Of course they did. But that is not enough for National geographic...

    :rolleyes:
    Importantly, the team cannot know the individual’s gender identity, but rather only biological sex (which like gender doesn’t always exist on a binary). In other words, they can’t say whether the individual lived their life 9,000 years ago in a way that would identify them within their society as a woman.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/11/prehistoric-female-hunter-discovery-upends-gender-role-assumptions/#:~:text=The%20Haas%20team's%20find%20was,could%20have%20been%20biologically%20female.&text=The%20common%20assumption%20was%20that,gathered%20and%20reared%20their%20young


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    Gruffalux wrote: »


    I saw that. Totally depressing. I used to like national geographic.

    Best response on twitter:

    “Was it the Stonewall age?”


    Can’t lose our sense of humour!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    I saw that. Totally depressing. I used to like national geographic.

    Best response on twitter:

    “Was it the Stonewall age?”


    Can’t lose our sense of humour!

    :pac::D

    PS I saw the 9000 years ago non-binary possibly lady hunter in the reconstruction had a very fetching, suspiciously-clean, well-cut, salmon-coloured tunic, that looked like something one could buy in Penneys nowadays. Silly billys.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭derfderf


    Wibbs wrote: »
    No they don't. Yes oestrogen helps with bone density, but testosterone more so. Men start with higher bone density and lose it at a slower rate than women. M-F trans typically have lower bone density than men, but higher than women.

    Where did you see that?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    :pac::D

    PS I saw the 9000 years ago non-binary possibly lady hunter in the reconstruction had a very fetching, suspiciously-clean, well-cut, salmon-coloured tunic, that looked like something one could buy in Penneys nowadays. Silly billys.

    Also on twitter:

    Oscar Wilde was a transwoman.

    Dr James Barry was a transman

    You couldn’t make this sh1te up.
    Unless you’re deep in the gender ideology black hole. Then it seems you can make up any crap you want.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    derfderf wrote: »
    Where did you see that?

    In this thing called ‘science’.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Because obviously if she was involved in a male thing like hunting she identified as a man. Couldn't gave been driven by necessity or anything. Like having to eat.

    We don't know what she identified as. I am literally gobsmacked by this. It's unbelievable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,986 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Because obviously if she was involved in a male thing like hunting she identified as a man. Couldn't gave been driven by necessity or anything. Like having to eat.

    We don't know what she identified as. I am literally gobsmacked by this. It's unbelievable.


    More and more, trans ideology begins to resemble a religious cult.


    This is like the Mormons, who belive in conducting 'vicarious baptisms' to give the deceased a final chance to join the Mormon fold and thus go around gravyards babtizing the dead inhabitants whether asked to or not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Because obviously if she was involved in a male thing like hunting she identified as a man. Couldn't gave been driven by necessity or anything. Like having to eat.

    We don't know what she identified as. I am literally gobsmacked by this. It's unbelievable.

    Zer probably had short hair too


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Also on twitter:

    Oscar Wilde was a transwoman.

    Dr James Barry was a transman

    You couldn’t make this sh1te up.
    Unless you’re deep in the gender ideology black hole. Then it seems you can make up any crap you want.
    And of course, the revising of history in regards to Stonewall (the event not the UK corporate charidee for gender identity ideology) - a drag queen who always said he was a man and a gnc butch lesbian woman who was nowhere near the bar according to the drag queen were the starting leaders of everyone. History-to-go with your gender ideology cookie!

    Gleefully pushed by nuts/queer theorists/universities/companies/police/civil service/public institutes/UN orgs/NGOs and repeated by mainstream-established media and dopes.
    Just like the list of institutions proposed above as proof that non-believers are nuts, it's the pre-decided end (political) goal which demands history & logic, inconvenient facts and truths are disregarded/changed sprinkled with a 'be kind' catcher for the ordinary populace - I mean, how could you be unkind?

    This runs across the whole gamut of critical theories - queer/race/social justice/identity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    It would be a little easier to take if it was Also happening to men but they are still mentioned. I haven't heard people with testicles yet we are people with vaginas.

    It's weird. It sounds weird.

    As somebody astutely pointed out on Twitter the other day, will we soon be calling girls "children with vaginas"? And will that finally highlight the madness?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    As somebody astutely pointed out on Twitter the other day, will we soon be calling girls "children with vaginas"? And will that finally highlight the madness?

    I want to ‘like’ your comment, but it just feels ..... wrong. Eugh.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Because obviously if she was involved in a male thing like hunting she identified as a man. Couldn't gave been driven by necessity or anything. Like having to eat.

    We don't know what she identified as. I am literally gobsmacked by this. It's unbelievable.

    Ffs, do they really think that 9000 years ago people had the luxury of naval gazing about gender ideology rather than doing whatever necessary to survive. No, women of any era couldn't possibly do anything that goes against modern gender stereotypes without somehow not being women. Ridiculous


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭mohawk


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Ffs, do they really think that 9000 years ago people had the luxury of naval gazing about gender ideology rather than doing whatever necessary to survive. No, women of any era couldn't possibly do anything that goes against modern gender stereotypes without somehow not being women. Ridiculous

    Wonder what will be next... Marie Curie perhaps as scientists in her era were nearly all men or maybe the suffragettes because they wanted women to be able to vote and only men had the vote.
    It’s not even surprising to read stuff like this anymore.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I saw that. Totally depressing. I used to like national geographic.

    Best response on twitter:

    “Was it the Stonewall age?”


    Can’t lose our sense of humour!
    To be fair sciences have always followed cultural fashions of the day and in archaeology that is very much in play. So when it was White European Christians digging up old bones they applied White European Christian views to things. EG Neandertals were "before Adam" or cast off apemen so portrayed as lumpen gnomes carrying crude cudgels. Even when more evidence came to light they were shown as lesser. Then we found out that we carry their DNA with us and magically they start to look like smiling beardie hipsters. :D So yer wan coming out with this stuff: For Geller, the debate has important implications for today. “There’s so much gender disparity going on right now, if we were to presume that there’s something that biologically predisposes us, then you’d be able to justify that gender disparity,” she says. “To me that’s dangerous, and completely unsubstantiated.” or projecting right on US campus stuff like this: "they can’t say whether the individual lived their life 9,000 years ago in a way that would identify them within their society as a woman." is just another run of the popular current cultural bias like it did before and just as much BS. Sciences where there is room for much conjecture like archaeology are a charm for it. Never mind it's what she claims is not unsubstantiated. Never mind there are cultures today where women hunt for game like fish and smaller animals.

    TL;DR, science is remarkably prone to current cultural bias so not a shock identity politics are in play today with some, just like race theory was in play in the past.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Wibbs wrote: »
    To be fair sciences have always followed cultural fashions of the day and in archaeology that is very much in play. So when it was White European Christians digging up old bones they applied White European Christian views to things. EG Neandertals were "before Adam" or cast off apemen so portrayed as lumpen gnomes carrying crude cudgels. Even when more evidence came to light they were shown as lesser. Then we found out that we carry their DNA with us and magically they start to look like smiling beardie hipsters. :D So yer wan coming out with this stuff: For Geller, the debate has important implications for today. “There’s so much gender disparity going on right now, if we were to presume that there’s something that biologically predisposes us, then you’d be able to justify that gender disparity,” she says. “To me that’s dangerous, and completely unsubstantiated.” or projecting right on US campus stuff like this: "they can’t say whether the individual lived their life 9,000 years ago in a way that would identify them within their society as a woman." is just another run of the popular current cultural bias like it did before and just as much BS. Sciences where there is room for much conjecture like archaeology are a charm for it. Never mind it's what she claims is not unsubstantiated. Never mind there are cultures today where women hunt for game like fish and smaller animals.

    TL;DR, science is remarkably prone to current cultural bias so not a shock identity politics are in play today with some, just like race theory was in play in the past.

    It's just a bit depressing that we aren't past it. However I suppose everything is subject to the bias of the time. You just naively expect science not to have bias but as everything it's going to.

    To my mind it sounds as stupid as race theory.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Plus add in looking to get or keep funding going and the sciences can be right trollops when the want to be.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    Wibbs wrote: »
    To be fair sciences have always followed cultural fashions of the day and in archaeology that is very much in play. So when it was White European Christians digging up old bones they applied White European Christian views to things. EG Neandertals were "before Adam" or cast off apemen so portrayed as lumpen gnomes carrying crude cudgels. Even when more evidence came to light they were shown as lesser. Then we found out that we carry their DNA with us and magically they start to look like smiling beardie hipsters. :D So yer wan coming out with this stuff: For Geller, the debate has important implications for today. “There’s so much gender disparity going on right now, if we were to presume that there’s something that biologically predisposes us, then you’d be able to justify that gender disparity,” she says. “To me that’s dangerous, and completely unsubstantiated.” or projecting right on US campus stuff like this: "they can’t say whether the individual lived their life 9,000 years ago in a way that would identify them within their society as a woman." is just another run of the popular current cultural bias like it did before and just as much BS. Sciences where there is room for much conjecture like archaeology are a charm for it. Never mind it's what she claims is not unsubstantiated. Never mind there are cultures today where women hunt for game like fish and smaller animals.

    TL;DR, science is remarkably prone to current cultural bias so not a shock identity politics are in play today with some, just like race theory was in play in the past.

    Yeah, I wouldn’t mind the actual discussion that was written in the paper - assumed roles of men and women in society at that time and how we might have been looking at it through our own biases etc - that’s a legitimate discussion - but the framing of it in terms of gender identity by the Nat Geographic writer was just stupidly ridiculous. That wasn’t mentioned or implied in the original article. It was put there purely for wokism.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    mohawk wrote: »
    Wonder what will be next... Marie Curie perhaps as scientists in her era were nearly all men or maybe the suffragettes because they wanted women to be able to vote and only men had the vote.
    It’s not even surprising to read stuff like this anymore.

    If only the suffragettes had known that they could have just identified as men at voting time they could have saved themselves a whole lot of bother. Saved themselves a fortune at the hardware store too what with all those chains they needed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭derfderf


    In this thing called ‘science’.

    I just asked for some information you snarky ****. I've read a few articles that said the opposite
    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jos/2011/240328/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC381474/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 355 ✭✭46 Long


    It'll go one of 2 ways. Either it will be recognised as a hideous mistake when it dawns on those pushing this stuff that engaging in a mass tongue in cheek deception dosnt actually make these people's demons go away. Or it will go full sci-fi with gender and biological sex becoming completely irrelevant. This current deranging, top down enforced newspeak will meet ever increasing resistance as it spills out of twitter and medical literature.
    My feeling is that fifty years from now we'll look back on this like we do now with lobotomies.

    There's a grain of truth there, but ultimately a very, very crude attempt at resolving something we really don't understand.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    derfderf wrote: »
    I just asked for some information you snarky ****. I've read a few articles that said the opposite
    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jos/2011/240328/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC381474/
    If you read them they are studies of a particular demographic: We conclude that in aging men, E is the dominant sex steroid regulating bone resorption, whereas both E and T are important in maintaining bone formation. Both are saying that testosterone and estradiol are important for bone formation and density.

    Your first link in the very first sentence opens with: Testosterone is an important hormone for both bone gain and maintenance in men. Hypogonadal men have accelerated bone turnover and increased fracture risk. So testosterone is the biggie and men with low testosterone have lower bone densities. Which makes sense as men have higher bone densities than women on average and hold onto that density for longer in life, outside of those with other conditions and diseases. M-F Trans if they're receiving hormone therapy are in basic terms hypogonadal so will have lower bone densities on average.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    The assumption has not been that Mesolithic men did all the hunting, the assumption has been that because life was brutal and short it was necessary for everyone, including children, to hunt otherwise they would starve.

    Fact remains that men would have been the most effective hunters. That has never meant that only they hunted.

    The world has gone mad. Men are men, women are women and some men and women like to do things that the other sex tend to like doing more, that's it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27 speelunker22


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    And of course, the revising of history in regards to Stonewall (the event not the UK corporate charidee for gender identity ideology) - a drag queen who always said he was a man and a gnc butch lesbian woman who was nowhere near the bar according to the drag queen were the starting leaders of everyone. History-to-go with your gender ideology cookie!

    Gleefully pushed by nuts/queer theorists/universities/companies/police/civil service/public institutes/UN orgs/NGOs and repeated by mainstream-established media and dopes.
    Just like the list of institutions proposed above as proof that non-believers are nuts, it's the pre-decided end (political) goal which demands history & logic, inconvenient facts and truths are disregarded/changed sprinkled with a 'be kind' catcher for the ordinary populace - I mean, how could you be unkind?

    This runs across the whole gamut of critical theories - queer/race/social justice/identity.

    Very much the core of "The Madness of Crowds" by Douglas Murray which I presume you have read. If not, it's well worth a read, can't say I agree with everything he says but there's plenty in there for people who believe in common sense, reasoned discussion about subjects that matter.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    The assumption has not been that Mesolithic men did all the hunting, the assumption has been that because life was brutal and short it was necessary for everyone, including children, to hunt otherwise they would starve.

    Fact remains that men would have been the most effective hunters. That has never meant that only they hunted.

    The world has gone mad. Men are men, women are women and some men and women like to do things that the other sex tend to like doing more, that's it.

    100%!!!!!!!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭political analyst


    This was on Newsnight earlier this year.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51806962
    Homophobia in families attending GIDS is mentioned in all the transcripts Newsnight has seen.

    As well as seeing young people struggling with their sexuality, staff say some parents appeared to prefer their children to be transgender and straight, rather than gay.

    In one example, a GIDS clinician describes a young person who had come out as a lesbian and faced homophobic bullying, "within the family and quite openly in school".

    "Suddenly the young person changed their mind and they started identifying as trans."

    In some of these cases, clinicians thought that it wouldn't be appropriate for the patient to be referred for puberty blockers, with one child apparently saying: "My mum wants the hormone more than I do."

    But I thought Britain had become a much better place for homosexual people, e.g. same-sex marriage.


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