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    #752
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    easypazz wrote: »
    You gave me a link to a coordinated effort by a charity on 2 specific dates.

    You mention prague but cant say if its an organised effort or not.

    It's you that seems fixated on whether it's organised or random. I never mentioned in any comment whether it was random or organised. My point was the hanging of coats out in public happens in other cities. I went and posted links of two examples for you. Anyway made my point I'm done. You carry on whinging if you wish.


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    #753
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    This is what they don’t seem to be getting. A good idea badly executed.

    Even you, with your blinkered outlook have to be able to see that it was a very adhoc idea by a group out people with the best if intentions, granted it didn't work out perfectly but ya know , that's life

    "To err is human......


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    #754
    easypazz
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's you that seems fixated on whether it's organised or random. I never mentioned in any comment whether it was random or organised. My point was the hanging of coats out in public happens in other cities. I went and posted links of two examples for you. Anyway made my point I'm done. You carry on whinging if you wish.

    Off you go then. Its still a stupid idea the way it was implemented here.

    Your examples merely showed how other countries do it properly.


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    #755
    [Deleted User]
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    Even you, with your blinkered outlook have to be able to see that it was a very adhoc idea by a group out people with the best if intentions, granted it didn't work out perfectly but ya know , that's life

    "To err is human......

    We are in agreement there. No blinkers here. Just concerned about the waste of seemingly good clothes.


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    #756
    easypazz
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    Even you, with your blinkered outlook have to be able to see that it was a very adhoc idea by a group out people with the best if intentions, granted it didn't work out perfectly but ya know , that's life

    "To err is human......

    So you accept it was a stupid idea, albeit well intentioned.

    The concept if fine, the execution was the problem. Thats all we are saying.

    Dublin council were right to remove the coats, and give them to charity to use in a coordinated manner, but got slated for it.


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    #757
    Plumbthedepths
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    easypazz wrote: »
    Off you go then. Its still a stupid idea the way it was implemented here.

    Your examples merely showed how other countries do it properly.

    Fair play it must be difficult though to find a negative in everything.
    Not going anywhere just done with discussing the coats. Feel free to carry on whinging though about the good intentions of others. ;-)


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    #758
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    easypazz wrote: »
    Off you go then. Its still a stupid idea the way it was implemented here.

    Your examples merely showed how other countries do it properly.

    I wonder , in the examples of the other countries did it work out perfect first time.
    Did they think of wrapping the coats in plastic, were they clean and dry ,was the weather good at the time ?
    Did they have a bit of trial and error first couple of times ?
    Obviously round these parts theres no margin for error.


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    #759
    [Deleted User]
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    I wonder , in the examples of the other countries did it work out perfect first time.
    Did they think of wrapping the coats in plastic, were they clean and dry ,was the weather good at the time ?
    Did they have a bit of trial and error first couple of times ?
    Obviously round these parts theres no margin for error.

    From Plumthedepths earlier post “ Warm clothing like jumpers and scarves are put on hangers, covered in a waterproof cover and often tagged with a note explaining that they’re for people in need. “I’m not lost, I’m for you if you’re cold”, is one of the typical messages left on the labels.”


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    #760
    easypazz
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Fair play it must be difficult though to find a negative in everything.
    Not going anywhere just done with discussing the coats. Feel free to carry on whinging though about the good intentions of others. ;-)

    I see no negative in recycling and donating goods to charity etc.

    But a stupid idea will always be a stupid idea, no matter how well intentioned you are.


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    #761
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    corner of hells wrote: »
    I wonder , in the examples of the other countries did it work out perfect first time.
    Did they think of wrapping the coats in plastic, were they clean and dry ,was the weather good at the time ?
    Did they have a bit of trial and error first couple of times ?
    Obviously round these parts theres no margin for error.

    In Limerick they hung the coats on a rail under shelter.

    Its blindingly obvious that hanging them on a bridge in a storm was stupid.


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    #762
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    easypazz wrote: »
    In Limerick they hung the coats on a rail under shelter.

    Its blindingly obvious that hanging them on a bridge in a storm was stupid.

    So you keep saying.


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    #763
    [Deleted User]
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    So you keep saying.

    Yet you still think it’s ok to just hang them outdoors in inclement weather.


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    #764
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    From Plumthedepths earlier post “ Warm clothing like jumpers and scarves are put on hangers, covered in a waterproof cover and often tagged with a note explaining that they’re for people in need. “I’m not lost, I’m for you if you’re cold”, is one of the typical messages left on the labels.”

    Brilliant, again first time done in Dublin and it didn't work out perfect.
    Always room for improvement.


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    #765
    corner of hells
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yet you still think it’s ok to just hang them outdoors in inclement weather.

    Once again, theres high footfall of homeless in that area between MQI and various hostels, it wouldnt be a great leap of imagination for a homeless individual to get a coat back to their hostel or even a drop in centre to get any coat cleaned and dried.


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    #766
    BDI
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That’s grand and fine IF the coat is clean and dry. This is Ireland after all. Again I ask what use are cold wet clothes to cold wet people.
    It IS a good idea, but a bit of common sense is needed. At least put them in a waterproof cover.

    You want to put homeless people in waterproof covers until you are good and ready to deal with them?

    :)


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    #767
    [Deleted User]
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    BDI wrote: »
    You want to put homeless people in waterproof covers until you are good and ready to deal with them?

    :)

    Now, there’s a novel idea!


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    #768
    easypazz
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    Once again, theres high footfall of homeless in that area between MQI and various hostels, it wouldnt be a great leap of imagination for a homeless individual to get a coat back to their hostel or even a drop in centre to get any coat cleaned and dried.

    Bit stupid though. Putting extra strain on the overworked staff having to clean and dry additional clothes when it could be avoided.


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    #769
    ShamNNspace
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    I think a certain amount of homeless or streetsleepers will always be with us for whatever reason no matter what we or the government do. In this day and age there should be no reason for anyone to sleep in a doorway or outside. Just thinking would it be an idea to have these pods like they have in Japan which are lockable and clean with facility to charge a phone and sleep in peace in safety. There would be around 20 pods in a bank with shared shower facilities. In Japan workers and suchlike use them to catch a night or a few hours sleep


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    #770
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,998 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    easypazz wrote: »
    Off you go then. Its still a stupid idea the way it was implemented here.

    it's not.
    it's grand hence it's being done in other countries.
    easypazz wrote: »
    OYour examples merely showed how other countries do it properly.

    no his examples show that it is being done in other countries.


    easypazz wrote: »
    I see no negative in recycling and donating goods to charity etc.

    But a stupid idea will always be a stupid idea, no matter how well intentioned you are.


    it won't be if it's not, which it isn't, apart from in you and a couple of other's opinion.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #771
    easypazz
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    end of the road wrote: »
    it's not.
    it's grand hence it's being done in other countries.



    no his examples show that it is being done in other countries.






    it won't be if it's not, which it isn't, apart from in you and a couple of other's opinion.

    No other country randomly hangs clothes on a bridge exposed to the elements because they know its stupid.


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    #772
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    easypazz wrote: »
    Bit stupid though. Putting extra strain on the overworked staff having to clean and dry additional clothes when it could be avoided.

    You're flapping now , drop in centres and hostels provide laundry services for anyone accessing their services.


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    #773
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    easypazz wrote: »
    No other country randomly hangs clothes on a bridge exposed to the elements because they know its stupid.

    Hardly stupid , we all make mistakes, it doesn't mean we're stupid.


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    #774
    HeidiHeidi
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    Holy mother of the divine 😱



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    #775
    [Deleted User]
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    How long were you typing for to produce that drivel?



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    #776
    vriesmays
    Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    If it wasn't for people like Peter McVerry unemployable former addicts wouldn't be living 25 minutes from Grafton St on low rents while saps with jobs stand on trains for over an hours daily to get to work.



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    #777
    [Deleted User]
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    Imagine writing that wall of text only for no one to read it 😂



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    #778
    salmocab
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065668#Comment_118065668

    At the very least you’d stick in a tldr



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    #779
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,998 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065642#Comment_118065642

    yes they would.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #780
    apache
    Registered Users Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭apache


    Something about the man I don't like. I've met him a few times.


    Very fond of the prisoner and showers them with gifts. I'm not a fan



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    #781
    riclad
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    Those organisations provide hot food to people living on the streets and also advice to homeless people Re how to get accommodation

    They have to be trained and paid they drive around the city at night it's not an easy job it's getting very hard for single people to find accommodation we have a housing crisis some people do not use hostels they live on the streets in tents Theres also people who volunteer for free at soup kitchens mcverry provides services to help people find accomodation

    Do you expect people to work for nothing in 2021?

    It's not like working in an office they work weekends Bank Holidays etc every day



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