Were people in RTE always disliked or is it a new thing? thing?

freshpopcorn

I'm in my late twenties now When I was at school there was the odd thing about Gay Byrne, Pat Kenny, an Anne Doyle joke, etc.
However I don't think there was the dislike there compared to now that you hear about Ray Darcy, Ryan Turbidy, Eoghan McDermott, Garrihy's, etc.
Is it we are all jealous people now and can't praise people or has the standards dropped or were people in RTE always disliked/criticised?

freshpopcorn

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Is it we are all jealous people now and can't praise people or has the standards dropped or were people in RTE always disliked/criticised?

You're really asking this question? The level of talent has plummeted off a cliff in the past twenty years, while salaries have escalated to absurd levels.

The auld begrudgery argument doesn't hold up.

Quantum Erasure

I preferred Darcy's early work

Church on Tuesday

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

I preferred Darcy's early work

I preferred Zig and Zag.

pixbyjohn

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

I preferred Darcy's early work

Yes, but you were a child then:D:p

blade1

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

I preferred Darcy's early work

He was in his comfort zone quizzing school kids but started to get overshadowed by a few puppets shortly afterwards.

Woodenfloor

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'm in my late twenties now When I was at school there was the odd thing about Gay Byrne, Pat Kenny, an Anne Doyle joke, etc.
However I don't think there was the dislike there compared to now that you hear about Ray Darcy, Ryan Turbidy, Eoghan McDermott, Garrihy's, etc.
Is it we are all jealous people now and can't praise people or has the standards dropped or were people in RTE always disliked/criticised?

OK boomer

Better Than Christ

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

I preferred Darcy's early work

His producers should spend half the show throwing Ted at him.

razorblunt

They were always a bit shîte but one got the impression that they were the best available shîte but now it’s so obvious they’re all completely talentless.

What the fock is a Garrihy for example? One of them has “revealed” her newborn daughters name, like a secret of Fatima.

Yamanoto

freshpopcorn wrote: »

or has the standards dropped

Gay Byrne interview

vs

Ray D'Arcy interview





.......you decide.

freshpopcorn

Yamanoto wrote: »

Gay Byrne interview

vs

Ray D'Arcy interview




.......you decide.

My opinion was they have dropped but I thought I may be in the wrong.

Ted_YNWA

Better Than Christ wrote: »

His producers should spend half the show throwing Ted at him.

Leave me out of RTE politics.




There is too much nepotism & cronyism there.

Rothko

Better Than Christ wrote: »

His producers should spend half the show throwing Ted at him.

Wouldn't you do the same?

Ten of Swords

People would give far less of a crap about them one way or another if the RTE tax was abolished

Harry Palmr

Social media. That is all.

Had it existed in the 70s and 80s the attacks would be as they are now. Though 'the mothers of seven' probably wouldn't be online!

Leg End Reject

Too much bleating about their unique home produced content , whilst beating the "increase the license fee, we're worth it" drum.

freshpopcorn

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Social media. That is all.

Had it existed in the 70s and 80s the attacks would be as they are now. Though 'the mothers of seven' probably wouldn't be online!

I find people are kinder to RTE stars on social media than they are in reality to be honest.

topmanamillion

What annoys me is when the likes of Tubridy or D'Arcys salary are questioned we're told, either from them or management in RTE, it's justified because they'd get multiples of that working in England and they're doing us some sort of a favour working here.
I couldn't see either of them working on more than regional radio stations over there.
As if the BBC would shaft Graham Norton in favour of Ray D'Arcy.
Their salaries are simply not justified in a market the size of Ireland. The top BBC shows are syndicated all over the world while the majority of RTEs programmes aren't shown outside of this island.

Stacksofwacks

There was always a smugness and we know best attitude about RTE, but now we live in a woke society and people are calling out stuff more

Edgware

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

There was always a smugness and we know best attitude about RTE, but now we live in a woke society and people are calling out stuff more

Wow you're so cool using "woke" in your vocabulary.
Do you work as an 11 euro an hour researcher on the Daithi and Maura show?

Stacksofwacks

Edgware wrote: »

Wow you're so cool using "woke" in your vocabulary.
Do you work as an 11 euro an hour researcher on the Daithi and Maura show?

Nail on the head

Blaizes

Never heard much negatively about RTE growing up but tv was so much more limited back then people had nothing to compare it to till the advent of being able to get other channels here. Then the comparisons of presenters, selection of programmers etc began. Social media facilitated this big time. Another thing is the tv licence fee people hear about tv presenters salaries and it doesn’t inspire confidence.

JohnnyFlash

Public service broadcasting is struggling in an era where people believe everything should be free.

RTÉ needs to change. The end of a public service broadcaster would be a disaster for civic discourse and democracy though.

Tordelback

topmanamillion wrote: »

As if the BBC would shaft Graham Norton in favour of Ray D'Arcy.

That comparison says it all. Norton's talent for the chatshow format is genuinely remarkable - while obviously playing solely for laughs rather than the mixed diet of the others, he's still operating at the Wogan, Parkinson or Gay Byrne level. Whether you like them or hate them, D'Arcy and Tubirdy just aren't in the same league, possibly not even the same sport.

whisky_galore

Woodenfloor wrote: »

OK boomer

Can we just can it with that tiresome phrase?

It's like a toddler having discovered how to make an irritating noise at this stage.

Back OT, RTE "stars" are big fish in a small pond and that pond is drying up, big time.

lertsnim

At contract renewal offer the "stars" a fraction of what they get per annum or go elsewhere.

Arghus

I have never had a conversation about RTE in real life, but I've debated about it a few times on Boards.

I think people on boards are pissed off about RTE, but it's hard to know how much that reflects the general feeling of the nation because boards is always more full of pissed off people than real life. If you think After Hours reflects the reality as lived by most out there, then you're going to end up with a very askew perspective.

I'm not an RTE hater, I'm glad it exists, but there's no doubt, to my mind, that it needs some fresh ideas, a change of work practices and some of the salaries paid to top earners are outrageous.

Yamanoto

Tordelback wrote: »

That comparison says it all. Norton's talent for the chatshow format is genuinely remarkable - while obviously playing solely for laughs rather than the mixed diet of the others, he's still operating at the Wogan, Parkinson or Gay Byrne level.

Norton's certainly good at what he does, but his schtick is a different discipline to how Gaybo and Parky operated and is altogether more slight and disposable television as a result. Closer parallels with Wogan's chat show in some respects, though old Tel's real talent was radio.

The J Stands for Jay

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'm in my late twenties now When I was at school there was the odd thing about Gay Byrne, Pat Kenny, an Anne Doyle joke, etc.
However I don't think there was the dislike there compared to now that you hear about Ray Darcy, Ryan Turbidy, Eoghan McDermott, Garrihy's, etc.
Is it we are all jealous people now and can't praise people or has the standards dropped or were people in RTE always disliked/criticised?

No, I can confirm that as a toyshow watching kid, I hated Gaybo.

Before social media, venting tended to be at media such as TV and newspapers so a lot of the cranks targeted RTE, but by and large RTE was very popular.

It was also the harbinger of a lot of projected nonsenses, thus it could be both a mouthpiece for the catholic church and a hot bet of pro-abortion lefties at the same time.

The Irish press and the Sunday press were the most popular newspapers and they and RTE were most peoples only source of news.

Cee-Jay-Cee

I think a lot of it is down to the obscene salaries being paid to the likes of Tubridy, Darcy, O'Callaghan etc

Tubridy has to be one of the worst interviewers on the planet, he has absolutely no finesse or talent and regardless of the person or topic just barrels through his list of questions in a fashion that clearly shows he has absolutely no interest in the topic or person being interviewed. There is nothing natural about his interviewing techniques and he is unable to ad lib or let the conversation flow. His mid week show on the day Gay Byrne died was absolutely awful, Mike Murphy and Pat Kenny weren't allowed to stray from the question asked and reminisce as he just barged in with the next question. RTE try and justify his salary by saying that similar positions in other countries would be paid similarly...which may be so however tubs wouldn't get a job sweeping the floor elsewhere so if he thinks he's so valuable, let him go elsewhere and see what he can get.

Darcy is a joke, he was suited to light hearted radio and kids TV, he has absolutely no credibility and hopefully will be released from his contract in the next year or so. The same goes for Miriam, she is so fcuking fake that its unreal she's still employed.

I think if RTE were to get rid of those three, their fortunes would change for the better.

nkl12xtw5goz70

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

RTE try and justify his salary by saying that similar positions in other countries would be paid similarly...which may be so however tubs wouldn't get a job sweeping the floor elsewhere so if he thinks he's so valuable, let him go elsewhere and see what he can get.

Only a handful of top presenters at the BBC, such as Gary Lineker, Graham Norton, and Huw Edwards, earn more than Tubridy — and they broadcast to a population approx 14 times the size of Ireland's.

Can RTE provide us with a list of countries with populations under 5 million where TV and radio presenters can earn nearly half a million a year?

Tubridy has already done stints on BBC Radio 2 and admitted that he found it challenging to connect with a British audience. Steve Wright and Zoe Ball are hardly worrying about him strolling in to take their jobs.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

You're really asking this question? The level of talent has plummeted off a cliff in the past twenty years, while salaries have escalated to absurd levels.

The auld begrudgery argument doesn't hold up.

Who were the talented people in RTE twenty years ago?

nthclare

It's the outright nepotism in RTE which grinds my gears.

And they way they're almost fake and talk to people as if they're a bunch of langers or idiot's.

There was a lot of mixed personalities and people from all over the country working on RTE back in the mid 90's back to the early day's of RTE

Dave Fanning would probably be my favourite personality who graced the doors of RTE

Bohemian type's, rocker's, new romanticism, flamboyance, quirky, jocks, culchies, dubs, pretty women, handsome men.

And there was a good balance of men and women, gay, straight, lesbian they all made RTE colorful.

I think Phillip Tyler could have had an amazing future on TV but I could be wrong but I read somewhere he passed away.

Some Bosco presenters got lucky , especially Marrion, I think Frank Twomey ended up trying to do stand up comedy.
I remember him introducing comedy acts in the comedy club in Gorbys Cork City in the 90's

There's different memories of RTE but I think the old school tallent was fantastic.

I'm into, society culture, history, nature and heritage myself so I suppose that's where I'm coming from with my conclusions.

Sadly we've a nation addicted to reality TV, pure narcissistic nonsense and they're so gullible they'ed swallow a brick.

With all the money the useless talent are earning and the Emperor's New Clothes culture we're living in, you can be dam sure these people are going to fight to the bitter end to hold onto their salaries, because they're mortgages, car's and lifestyles would be decimated if they had to take a huge cut...

They're all in it together,and rightly so that's the way the cookies crumble...

IM SLIGHTLY DYSLEXIC, SO I HOPE PEOPLE CAN READ MY POST AND UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM

Boggles

topmanamillion wrote: »

The top BBC shows are syndicated all over the world while the majority of RTEs programmes aren't shown outside of this island.

Do you think that may have anything to do with BBC having revenues of nearly 5 billion pounds?

The cost for the BBC Online website and the red button service is £290.3 million

Roughly RTE's entire budget.

Fair comparison all right. :rolleyes:

Your Face

For me it's a case for there being a lot of dislikeable people in primetime positions on RTE.
I like RTE as a whole.

nthclare

Your Face wrote: »

For me it's a case for there being a lot of dislikeable people in primetime positions on RTE.
I like RTE as a whole.

Lol a whole that should be filled in and top dressed with greener pastures...

Richard Hillman

topmanamillion wrote: »

What annoys me is when the likes of Tubridy or D'Arcys salary are questioned we're told, either from them or management in RTE, it's justified because they'd get multiples of that working in England and they're doing us some sort of a favour working here.
I couldn't see either of them working on more than regional radio stations over there.
As if the BBC would shaft Graham Norton in favour of Ray D'Arcy.
Their salaries are simply not justified in a market the size of Ireland. The top BBC shows are syndicated all over the world while the majority of RTEs programmes aren't shown outside of this island.

You look at somebody like Dan Walker. Mainly Presents BBC Breakfast, his full time gig but also does Match of the Day, the Olympics, Football tournaments every second year, The One Show. He gets £280k a year.

For that price we get Marian Finucane. Works a part time job, 2 days a week but thats all she does, no other shows. Seems to have an absurd amount of holidays.

Marian Finucane would be lucky to get a job in the BBC Canteen on minimum wage.

whisky_galore

McGaggs wrote: »

No, I can confirm that as a toyshow watching kid, I hated Gaybo.

The old showbiz adage, don't ever work with children or animals.

Most adults come off looking either awkward or condescending in that situation.

KWAG2019

RTE suffers from far too much self regard. Their “stars” are not worth it. It’s a propaganda channel at best churning out formulaic garbage. It believes its mission is to preach down to the great unwashed. That’s you and me.

nkl12xtw5goz70

The average age profile for RTE's "stars" seems a lot older these days. Marian Finucane is 69, Sean O'Rourke is 64, and Joe Duffy is almost 64. Miriam O'Callaghan is almost 60, Bryan Dobson is 59, and Ray D'Arcy is 55. Even RTE's "young" talent like Tubridy and Claire Byrne are in their mid-40s.

It's easy, then, for a 25-year-old to look at RTE and feel that it's an older person's network that doesn't cater well to younger people.

nthclare

Forrest Square Gumdrop wrote: »

The average age profile for RTE's "stars" seems a lot older these days. Marian Finucane is 69, Sean O'Rourke is 64, and Joe Duffy is almost 64. Miriam O'Callaghan is almost 60, Bryan Dobson is 59, and Ray D'Arcy is 55. Even RTE's "young" talent like Tubridy and Claire Byrne are in their mid-40s.

It's easy, then, for a 25-year-old to look at RTE and feel that it's an older person's network that doesn't cater well to younger people.

It doesn't cater for the middle ages either.

I suppose they've the older generation indoctrinated already....

Hail the St Bridget's cross

Your Face

nthclare wrote: »

Lol a whole that should be filled in and top dressed with greener pastures...

Perhaps you meant 'hole'.

Forrest Square Gumdrop

Forrest Square Gumdrop wrote: »

The average age profile for RTE's "stars" seems a lot older these days. Marian Finucane is 69, Sean O'Rourke is 64, and Joe Duffy is almost 64. Miriam O'Callaghan is almost 60, Bryan Dobson is 59, and Ray D'Arcy is 55. Even RTE's "young" talent like Tubridy and Claire Byrne are in their mid-40s.

It's easy, then, for a 25-year-old to look at RTE and feel that it's an older person's network that doesn't cater well to younger people.

25 year old are not interested in traditional media, how many 25 year old subscribe to the New york times for example?

Boggles

Forrest Square Gumdrop wrote: »

The average age profile for RTE's "stars" seems a lot older these days. Marian Finucane is 69, Sean O'Rourke is 64, and Joe Duffy is almost 64. Miriam O'Callaghan is almost 60, Bryan Dobson is 59, and Ray D'Arcy is 55. Even RTE's "young" talent like Tubridy and Claire Byrne are in their mid-40s.

It's easy, then, for a 25-year-old to look at RTE and feel that it's an older person's network that doesn't cater well to younger people.

Half of them are news and current affairs and are popular and extremely good at their job (Apart from Miriam, can't stand her), it's an age bracket replicated across the private networks and in the UK.

If a 25 year old is not engaging with politics or current affairs it's very little to do with the age of the presenter.

nthclare

Can anyone remember when St Bridget's Cross was the symbol of RTE ?

And they still have a sectarian prayer time at 6pm

nthclare

nthclare wrote: »

Can anyone remember when St Bridget's Cross was the symbol of RTE ?

And they still have a sectarian prayer time at 6pm

A good example of how RTE can be the repoitriy of everyone projected predigests and how its a hotbed of catholicism and full of pro-abortion leftists att the same time.

Anti-abortion protesters use to protests regularly from the 1980s on, outside RTE, because according to the protesters RTE supported abortion, while simultaneously there was a campaign to get catholic symbols off the screen becaue of the influence of the catholic church on RTE.

nthclare

I wonder was it true that they deleted and dumped a lot of archive's.

I heard or read somewhere about someone commenting about people lacking interest in some dude or lady weaving a wicker basket on on island of the west coast...

I'd prefer to learn about willow weaving than what some z list Grafton Street stomper is wearing for Christmas, compliments of Brown Thomas.

Although I'm a hypocrite,as I bought a Bellstaf biker jacket there last year, and I'd happily wrap it around a beach ball and kick it up and down Inch beach in Kerry until it's well worn and battered looking

chrissb8

-Nepotism.

-Vogue Williams

-Linda Martin


-An unwillingness to honestly appraise the talent of their staff and realise that most of them are useless, charmless and quite frankly fairly stupid considering some of the areas these people arrogantly go into and think they can do a good job. Think mediocre presenters who clearly haven't brushed up on knowledge about a big guest on their show and asking useless middle of the road questions.

-Remakes of shows from across the pond with an Irish spin. Usually awful. Usually pathetic.

-A really really poor line of just awful awful RTE produced crap. Dermot Bannon (useless, boring and soulless architecture) being a recent one I can think of. I know already mentioned but, Vogue Williams doing investigative pieces (wtf?), Ireland's fittest family, Living with Lucy...You get it anyway. Just tripe being served on a regular basis. Who wants these shows? No one. It's frustrating how wide of the mark they are.

-Terrible sports coverage of prominent Irish Athletes. No one is asking to watch an Irish table tennis champ but we sure could have done with watching Katie Taylor alot more over the years.

-The gross wages some of the staff are on in there. While doing absolutely nothing to warrant or justify that wage.

-Ryan Tubirdy, tries far too hard to be this suave charming man. He just puts me on edge and makes me cringe at the forced "banter". You can tell when there's a natural rhythm/rapport with guests and the crowd. Graham Norton being an excellent example and Ryan Tubirdy, not so much.

-Marian Finucane. I think most of her shows are her taking 5 minutes each time to finish one sentence. You can tell her age across the airwaves, she's picked up that dithering, next word gonna come to my mind any minute now speech thing that happens to some people as they get older. She needs to retire, pure and simple she's not able for it anymore.

It is an embaressment to national broadcasting. That's why the hate from me anyway.

Also cutting movies at really bad timings!

The f***ing Angelus. What progressive inclusive society needs that.

Bunch of old farts in there that need the boot and a good shaking up of the whole thing.

Sky King

Does anyone have an accurate figure for how many hours Marian actually works for her €300k salary?

Officially the show is 4 hours a week but Brendan O Connor seems to be filling in for her half the time.

300 grand for what is cumulatively about 3 weeks work is a nice oul gig alright. 100k a week. Not bad.

boombang

Forrest Square Gumdrop wrote: »

Only a handful of top presenters at the BBC, such as Gary Lineker, Graham Norton, and Huw Edwards, earn more than Tubridy — and they broadcast to a population approx 14 times the size of Ireland's.

Excellent observation.

Separately, the shocking standards on RTE constantly bug me. Irish people have great wit and canniness about them: we should have some of the most engaging, funny TV stars going, but it's clearly not the case.