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HGV overtaking on motorway

  • 21-11-2019 8:06am
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭ jarvis


    I was on the N2 this morning and doing 100kmph with cruise control keeping it there. It was raining and traffic was decent and moving well. I seen lights as someone in the overtaking lane was passing me. Couldn’t believe it was a HGV. He seemed to be fine passing by as in he wasn’t struggling to pass me. He then returned to the inside lane in front of me but only for about 30 seconds as he then decided to over take the car he’d gone in behind. I was able to keep my 100kmph cruising speed throughout but I was a bit taken aback by this guy. It was a northern reg.

    Is there not supposed to be speed restricters on these vehicles and does anyone know have they a different speed limit because of their size and weight? He had to be doing 120 to overtake me doing 100. If he’d lost control it would have been absolute carnage.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 61,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    Limit is 90 on motorways, and they aren't allowed in the outside lane in motorways either. Limiter has to be there at 90 on Irish registered vehicles and 56mph which is much the same on UK ones.

    UK drivers will feign ignorance of the outside lane rules but that doesn't absolve them!


  • Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭✭✭ sandrat


    I thought it was a bad idea to use cruise control in the rain?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭ Infernal Racket


    sandrat wrote: »
    I thought it was a bad idea to use cruise control in the rain?

    It is. If he lost control it would be absolute cornage


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭ Tacitus Kilgore


    Gerry G wrote: »
    It is. If he lost control it would be absolute cornage

    It is - on very old tech vehicles where the cruise setup is basic, nothing to worry about with a modern car that has tcs and such


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,314 ✭✭✭✭ Cookie_Monster


    anyone who believes any of those limiters is remotely accurate is kidding themselves IMO


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭ chooseusername


    L1011 wrote: »
    Limit is 90 on motorways, and they aren't allowed in the outside lane in motorways either. Limiter has to be there at 90 on Irish registered vehicles and 56mph which is much the same on UK ones.

    UK drivers will feign ignorance of the outside lane rules but that doesn't absolve them!
    He doesn't say he was in the outermost lane , just the overtaking lane.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 43,472 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    i assume he was on a two lane stretch; the M2 is two lanes for the considerable majority of the road.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭ chooseusername


    i assume he was on a two lane stretch; the M2 is two lanes for the considerable majority of the road.
    In which case , is he not allowed to use the overtaking lane?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,314 ✭✭✭✭ Cookie_Monster


    In which case , is not allowed to use the overtaking lane?

    no


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,141 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so


    L1011 wrote: »
    Limit is 90 on motorways, and they aren't allowed in the outside lane in motorways either. Limiter has to be there at 90 on Irish registered vehicles and 56mph which is much the same on UK ones.

    UK drivers will feign ignorance of the outside lane rules but that doesn't absolve them!
    Quite a few of the overtaking trucks I see on the M1 are northern reg. They are usually the primary cause of sudden brake light tailbacks and I can't say they are anywhere near 90kph.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,774 ✭✭✭✭ ted1


    N2 or M2?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,853 ✭✭✭✭ HeidiHeidi


    no

    What? So no HGV can ever overtake another slower vehicle? :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,933 ✭✭✭ GM228


    HeidiHeidi wrote: »
    What? So no HGV can ever overtake another slower vehicle? :confused:

    That is correct, vehicles limited to 90km/h or less are not permitted to enter the right most lane of a motorway except in an emergency or obstruction.

    See the Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations 1997 S33 (1)(d) as amended by the Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) (Amendment) Regulations 2012:-
    Rules for Traffic on Motorways

    33 (1) A driver on a motorway shall not—

    (d) drive a vehicle of a class for which an ordinary speed limit of not more than 90 kilometres per hour is prescribed by regulations under section 3 and 4 of the Road Traffic Act, 2004in the traffic lane nearest the right hand edge of a carriageway having more than one traffic lane except where it is necessary to proceed in that lane due to an obstruction or because another lane or lanes is or are for the time being closed to traffic.

    And no, slow moving traffic is not an obstruction.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭ chooseusername


    no
    You got in before I could edit,Cookie


  • Registered Users Posts: 546 ✭✭✭ eusap


    which also means on a 3 lane road they can use lane 1 & 2


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,853 ✭✭✭✭ HeidiHeidi


    GM228 wrote: »
    That is correct, vehicles limited to 90km/h or less are not permitted to enter the right most lane of a motorway except in an emergency or obstruction.

    See the Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations 1997 S33 (1)(d) as amended by the Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) (Amendment) Regulations 2012:-



    And no, slow moving traffic is not an obstruction.


    Well, I stand corrected, thank you!

    Always thought that applied to three lane carriageways, but not two.

    That's motorways, though, does the same apply on non-motorways?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,933 ✭✭✭ GM228


    HeidiHeidi wrote: »
    Well, I stand corrected, thank you!

    Always thought that applied to three lane carriageways, but not two.

    That's motorways, though, does the same apply on non-motorways?

    Only applies to the right most lane of motorways.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,853 ✭✭✭✭ HeidiHeidi


    eusap wrote: »
    which also means on a 3 lane road they can use lane 1 & 2
    I realise now I had it backwards in my head. More coffee required.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭ Del2005


    GM228 wrote: »
    That is correct, vehicles limited to 90km/h or less are not permitted to enter the right most lane of a motorway except in an emergency or obstruction.

    See the Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations 1997 S33 (1)(d) as amended by the Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) (Amendment) Regulations 2012:-



    And no, slow moving traffic is not an obstruction.

    The OP said N2 thought so the HGV can use the overtaking lane.

    Why do motorists think that cyclists and tractors, slow moving traffic, are an obstruction that can be passed on continuous white lines yet slow moving vehicles aren't on a motorway aren't when trucks when to overtake?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 43,472 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    ted1 wrote: »
    N2 or M2?
    yeah, this can be confusing - leaving the M50 nortbound on this road, it's the N2 for the first roughly 4km, then turns into the M2 for the next 12km or so, before reverting to the N2 just north of Ashbourne. for most of that first 4km of it being the N2, it's 3 lanes, but drops to two when it becomes the M2.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭ jarvis


    Sorry guys it was the M2 not the N2. It was two lane stretch not 3 and it’s not an old basic cruise control system. I was driving extremely carefully 😂🀣😂🀣


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭ McCrack


    Op if your speedometer was reading 100 you were likely doing 92/93 in real terms


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 61,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    McCrack wrote: »
    Op if your speedometer was reading 100 you were likely doing 92/93 in real terms

    Only on a needle speedo. Digital ones are going to be 98/99.

    And anyway, all are above the 90km/h the truck should be limited to.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,877 ✭✭✭✭ endacl


    Gerry G wrote: »
    It is. If he lost control it would be absolute cornage

    D4 carnage?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,751 ✭✭✭✭ Wishbone Ash


    GM228 wrote: »
    Only applies to the right most lane of motorways.
    ....and only where the speed limit of the motorway is above 80km/h. Otherwise they may use any lane.


  • Registered Users Posts: 578 ✭✭✭ JC01


    Your indicated 100k in your car is probably actually 85--95k in reality.

    The HGV has a calibrated tachometer that accurately limits him. That discrepancy in displayed vs actual speed is the reason he could overtake you.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 61,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    JC01 wrote: »
    Your indicated 100k in your car is probably actually 85--95k in reality.

    85 would be illegally out of spec and 95 would be a bad needle speedo.

    100 on a digital, which most cars with cruise have, is 98-100


    The truck was breaking the law in the outer lane and almost certainly speeding also - your scenario is implausible


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ Isambard


    my car with digital speedo is 4% out. thus 100km/h is 104 on the dash.(or thereabouts)

    10% out is implausible on a modern vehicle.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,933 ✭✭✭ GM228


    ....and only where the speed limit of the motorway is above 80km/h. Otherwise they may use any lane.

    No they can't, the prohibition is not subject to a minimum motorway speed limit.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,751 ✭✭✭✭ Wishbone Ash


    GM228 wrote: »
    No they can't, the prohibition is not subject to a minimum motorway speed limit.
    There are some sections where a truck must be in the rightmost lane - hence the reason why it doesn't apply to motorways where the limit is 80km/h or less.

    I'd be interested in how you would bring a truck to Dublin Airport from the M1 southbound without using the right lane as one must enter the motorway on the right lane on the section towards the airport.

    Further southbound, a truck entering the DPT make legally access it on the rightmost lane. Similarly, a truck may legally exit the DPT heading north on the rightmost lane.

    Perhaps you could enlighten us as to why you think the prohibition is not subject to speed limits.


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