How do people live off low wages?

Mad_maxx

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Who d employ them?

Most if they got their act together, poles with about six words of English can get work

Wanderer78

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Most if they got their act together, poles with about six words of English can get work

Would employers actually employ them?

jay136

some are dealing or stealing

Padre_Pio

Mad_maxx wrote: »

That tinkers can better afford kids than the average family

No.
The average family is having kids that are in daycare, Montessori, school from 5-18, college from 18-22, Summer camps, gaelteacht, foreign holidays, grinds, activities, toys etc etc.

You could probably support 10 kids if they had the same amenities that Traveller children have.

Mad_maxx

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Would employers actually employ them?

I don't see why not.

Mad_maxx

Padre_Pio wrote: »

No.
The average family is having kids that are in daycare, Montessori, school from 5-18, college from 18-22, Summer camps, gaelteacht, foreign holidays, grinds, activities, toys etc etc.

You could probably support 10 kids if they had the same amenities that Traveller children have.

I don't follow

Cyrus

Mango Joe wrote: »

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but selectively taking choice parts of my post in isolation like that while ignoring the intended point I was trying to make is wholly disingenuous.

I'm not sure why you'd even bother to be honest - I firmly believe that a lot of people on here will very clearly identify with what I wrote because they are living it daily.

*** Out of curiosity I had a very quick look at your posting history Cyrus.... Lets just say your stance here just shows your average form & I'm really, really not interested in arguing at your level ***

im sure if i was bothered i would find your posting history not to my taste either so i am glad you have saved me the bother of highlighting any of the other glaring holes in your post.

nthclare wrote: »

It should be around 5%

on what basis and how would you make up the lost revenue?

Padre_Pio

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I don't follow

Traveller children cost less.

Antares35

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Live cheap:

1. Shop in Aldi

2. Forgot about pointless expensive brands for clothes and such

3. Don't pay over the odds for any service you don't really need (ie full sky package, excessive phone contract etc)

4. Shop around for the essentials such as car insurance, gas/electricity providers. There are deals to be had, I've changed car insurer every year for the last 4 years and got my rate down from €950 per year to €480 per year (with its4women) and I'm a fella :-)

5. Set up an excel spreadsheet and log your spending every single day, I started doing this 3 years ago and it's been a huge help. Helps you keep track of your spending and cut out unnecessary nonsense.

Lastly while I'd say it's prudent to watch you're spending, don't become a complete miser either, lash out on things you enjoy every now and then, just be sensible about it.

Definitely agree on tracking spending. I moved jobs earlier this year and increased my net take home by 600 per month but was still struggling. When I really started seriously tracking my spend, I found it was the small things - pastries from the garage when I buy petrol, treats for the dog, coffees, bottles of wine etc. that were really adding up. The "big ticket" items are easier to keep track of.

Wanderer78

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I don't see why not.

I think you d be fairly naive to think many would be employed, some might of course

Mad_maxx

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Traveller children cost less.

In what way?

Fingerbang2

BDI wrote: »

Yes the ones on 25 k are the ones in year one and the ones in year 10 are the ones on 500k isn’t that how it works?

What’s all this nonsense about luck life and success. Year one 25k year 2 38k year 3 50 k year 4 90k

Year 5 work from home on half a mill a year.
That’s how computer degrees work.
Only the ones who don’t do an hour once a week upskilling arnt on this money.

Again spouting nonsense, talented people make huge money while other people work in help desk roles getting 25K. Not everyone is on 100K.

You are still embarrassing yourself as you don’t know what IT actually entails and the different types of jobs available.

Have a look at Irish jobs and plenty of jobs over 100K

Mad_maxx

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I think you d be fairly naive to think many would be employed, some might of course

I already said if they made a collective choice to behave themselves and improve themselves, they would have no trouble getting work, you should have more faith in people's agency

Wanderer78

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I already said if they made a collective choice to behave themselves and improve themselves, they would have no trouble getting work, you should have more faith in people's agency

Most employers would run a mile if they realised travellers were applying for jobs they had, you d be living on another planet if you didn't think so, most are unemployable

nthclare

Fingerbang2 wrote: »

Again spouting nonsense, talented people make huge money while other people work in help desk roles getting 25K. Not everyone is on 100K.

You are still embarrassing yourself as you don’t know what IT actually entails and the different types of jobs available.

Have a look at Irish jobs and plenty of jobs over 100K

Like the jobs advertised at 100K but that's just a possibility if you climb the ladder, just like saying zero sugar and it's full of artificial sweeteners.

It's all bull**** a lot of those jobs

Mad_maxx

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Most employers would run a mile if they realised travellers were applying for jobs they had, you d be living on another planet if you didn't think so, most are unemployable

You need to have more faith in people, the problem here rests with attitudes and behaviour amongst travellers, if travellers cop on, they will be accepted, unfortunately a very large industry has been built around the idea that travellers are inherent victims

Mango Joe

Wibbs wrote: »

or more J, they can churn out babies because of a benefit setup that was meant for those in genuine need. And I've known a few cases of those in genuine need not get help because they weren't the right demographic and felt shame at having to have their hand out.

Even worse than this.... When the person with the rubber stamp sitting behind the counter does occasionally say "no" then you can be sure its not to the big scary knacker that's going roar abuse at them for the next 20 minutes or smash their windscreen in later that night.

No its the genuine people trying to make ends meet that end up getting no support from the State when they sorely and legitimately need it.

Fingerbang2

nthclare wrote: »

Like the jobs advertised at 100K but that's just a possibility if you climb the ladder, just like saying zero sugar and it's full of artificial sweeteners.

It's all bull**** a lot of those jobs

How are they bull ****? IT pays well in the right field.

If your good in Specific areas of IT you can easily make this. You don’t have to climb the corporate ladder at all to get this money. Experience and knowledge is key

Just because you don’t understand the different roles available you talk down on it.

And saying your son is in a IT guru from editing a few videos and photos, give me a break. Funniest thing I ever read.

IT is booming baby!!

Cyrus

generally these threads go this way, people refuse to believe that there is a significant cohort earning 6 figures annually in finance, IT, Sales etc but they are and a decent grad in the right field should aspire to that not be told they are dreaming.

scamalert

i would get if poster said he was renting in Dublin and pays his way food rent bills clothes etc, sure enough he would have understanding that living on few k leftovers a year its hard but possible.


now a rant where one doesn't need to pay anything and omg i cant imagine living making minimum wage :cool: what does that say ?

Wanderer78

Mad_maxx wrote: »

You need to have more faith in people, the problem here rests with attitudes and behaviour amongst travellers, if travellers cop on, they will be accepted, unfortunately a very large industry has been built around the idea that travellers are inherent victims

I'm not victimising, they really are unemployable

nthclare

Fingerbang2 wrote: »

How are they bull ****? IT pays well in the right field.

If your good in Specific areas of IT you can easily make this. You don’t have to climb the corporate ladder at all to get this money. Experience and knowledge is key

Just because you don’t understand the different roles available you talk down on it.

And saying your son is in a IT guru from editing a few videos and photos, give me a break. Funniest thing I ever read.

IT is booming baby!!

Attack the post and not the poster and his son.

My very own stalker

Fingerbang2

nthclare wrote: »

Attack the post and not the poster and his son.

My very own stalker

Nope, just see you posted this nonsense in the thread.

Just trying to inform you that you couldn’t be more wrong.

Twister2

Bullsh1t thread, travellers low pay food

Experts in any field can earn big money

Goes without saying

Mad_maxx

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I'm not victimising, they really are unemployable

They have no incentive to get skilled, the state looks after them and encourages large families which for the average working family would be unworkable

Cyrus

Mad_maxx wrote: »

They have no incentive to get skilled, the state looks after them and encourages large families which for the average working family would be unworkable

travellers are effectively our native americans, aboriginals etc

same social problems as well.

nthclare

Fingerbang2 wrote: »

Nope, just see you posted this nonsense in the thread.

Just trying to inform you that you couldn’t be more wrong.

I was using what someone can do these day's with an app they can download in seconds.

Compared to what amount of work a graphic designer had to, to get something similar done years gone by.

Metaphorically speaking of course, what I'm alluding to is eventually a complex app will probably outdate some IT jobs in the not so far off future.

I wasn't comparing like with like, although IT departments do employ graphic designer s and people who specialise in media communication and marketing.

I think they all blend into each other one way or the other.

facehugger99

I reckon the average person could save thousands every year just by doing a bit of legwork.
Car insurance
Home Insurance
Mortgage provider
Electricity provider
Telecom provider
Digital TV provider
Grocery shopping
Tranportation

If you aggressively shop around you can save loads on all of the above, if you combine the savings it's very substantial.

Many people are either too lazy or not aware enough of the routes to take.

In my experience, being good with money has very little to do with the amount you're actually making, it's part of your personality.

runawaybishop

nthclare wrote: »

I was using what someone can do these day's with an app they can download in seconds.

Compared to what amount of work a graphic designer had to, to get something similar done years gone by.

Metaphorically speaking of course, what I'm alluding to is eventually a complex app will probably outdate some IT jobs in the not so far off future.

I wasn't comparing like with like, although IT departments do employ graphic designer s and people who specialise in media communication and marketing.

I think they all blend into each other one way or the other.

The app didn't just appear by magic, a team of people spent time developing it. Automation is definitely a thing, but it doesn't mean IT jobs will disappear, probably the opposite.

Mad_maxx

Cyrus wrote: »

travellers are effectively our native americans, aboriginals etc

same social problems as well.

Yawn