Predict Irish XXIII for 2023 RWC

Richie_Rich89

1. Healy
2. Scannell
3. Furlong
4. Toner
5. Ryan
6. O'Mahony
7. van der Flier
8. Stander
9. Murray
10. Sexton
11. Stockdale
12. Henshaw
13. Ringrose
14. Earls
15. Kearney

16. Herring
17. Kilcoyne
18. Porter
19. Henderson
20. Murphy
21. McGrath
22. Carbery
23. Larmour

Squidgy Black

1. Eric O'Sullivan
2. Ronan Kelleher
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. James Ryan
5. Iain Henderson
6. Dan Leavy
7. Josh Van der Flier
8. Jack Conan
9. Conor Murray
10. Joey Carbery
11. James Lowe
12. Robbie Henshaw
13. Garry Ringrose
14. Shane Daly
15. Jordan Larmour

16. Adam McBurney
17. Jack McGrath
18. Andrew Porter
19. Ryan Baird
20. Scott Penny
21. Jamieson Gibson Park
22. Harry Byrne
23. Jacob Stockdale

Wegians89

1. Eric o Sullivan
2. Kelleher
3. Furlong
4. Gallagher
5. Ryan
6. Leavy
7. Vdf/ penny
8. Conan
9. Casey
10. H. Byrne
11. Lowe
12. Robb
13. Ringrose
14. Larmour
15. Carbery

16. Tierney-Martin
17. McGrath
18. Porter
19. Henderson
20. O Donofhue
21. Blade
22. Henshaw
23. Stockdale

awec

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

1. Healy
2. Scannell
3. Furlong
4. Toner
5. Ryan
6. O'Mahony
7. van der Flier
8. Stander
9. Murray
10. Sexton
11. Stockdale
12. Henshaw
13. Ringrose
14. Earls
15. Kearney

16. Herring
17. Kilcoyne
18. Porter
19. Henderson
20. Murphy
21. McGrath
22. Carbery
23. Larmour

If I see a 37 year old Rob Kearney tog out for Ireland at full back I'm officially done.

Squidgy Black

awec wrote: »

If I see a 37 year old Rob Kearney tog out for Ireland at full back I'm officially done.

Alongside a 36 year old Earls, 38 year old Sexton and 37 year old Toner no less.

Richie_Rich89

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Alongside a 36 year old Earls, 38 year old Sexton and 37 year old Toner no less.

Sexton has spoken about wanting to be like Tom Brady and play on till he's 40. Sportspeople in general are keeping going much longer than decades ago. There are loads of top level boxers in their mid or even late 30s. Look at Justin Gatlin winning a World Championships silver medal in the 100m at the age of 37. No reason Earls and Kearney can't keep going for another four years.

awec

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Sexton has spoken about wanting to be like Tom Brady and play on till he's 40. Sportspeople in general are keeping going much longer than decades ago. There are loads of top level boxers in their mid or even late 30s. Look at Justin Gatlin winning a World Championships silver medal in the 100m at the age of 37. No reason Earls and Kearney can't keep going for another four years.

You better convince me that you're not trolling at this stage.

The Lost Sheep

On my phone but can someone edit in the threads from 2011 for the 2015 world cup and same from 2015 for this competition

ClanofLams

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

On my phone but can someone edit in the threads from 2011 for the 2015 world cup and same from 2015 for this competition

2019 https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057474430/1

2015 https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056389107

Hanrahan at 15 with Rory Scholes on the wing for ‘19 and McFadden at 12 with a second row combination of Nagle and Tuohy for 2015, predictions taken from the first team in each thread show how ridiculous it is to try this. But a bit of craic I suppose.

jay0109

5 Clongowes
4 Blackrock
3 St Michaels
1 Gonzaga
1 Newbridge
1 King's Hospital

Guaranteed victory

Squidgy Black

Reading back through the 2019 thread, almost everyone had Marty Moore starting, the move to Wasps was really a terrible decision for him.

Also the below jem from IBF:

irishbucsfan wrote: »

If you put a player into this thread who has yet to play for their province, you curse them. That is a fact. And I know this because I did it to players myself.

Hard luck Jordan Larmour and James Ryan, I had high hopes for you.

gally74

My prediction,

4 players traveled injured,

7 players travel on poor form but have central contracts,

10 get left st home as they never got consistent enough exposure, not 10 mins here n there

Muligatawney

McGrath (33)
Scannell (31)
Furlong (30)
Henderson (31)
Ryan (27)
Leavy (29)
van der Flier (30)
Conan (31)
Marmion (31)
Carbery (27)
Stockdale (27)
Henshaw (30)
Ringrose (28)
Lowe (31)
Larmour (26)

Kelleher (25)
O'Sullivan (27)
Porter (27)
Dillane (29)
Deegan (27)
McGrath (30)
Lowry (25)
Addison (31)

Richie_Rich89

Thinking of predicting future teams, I think the 2023 RWC will come a bit too soon for Joe Tomane. To qualify for Ireland through the Olympic 7s loophole he'd first need citizenship, which he'd be eligible for in Summer 2023. Then he'd need to play in four Olympic qualifying 7s events to be able to switch his allegiance to Ireland. But if it's the same as it was this time the qualifying events for Paris 2024 will take place too early in 2023 for him to be qualified, so he'll have to wait until 2027 to qualify. But he should be an option in the green jumper for the 2027 tournament in Argentina, Australia or Russia anyway.

Tomane being away on international duty with Ireland from 2027 onwards would finally open the door for Conor O'Brien to get the gametime he needs to develop at age 31.

macslash

You were going well there for a while..

DonVito

1. Callum Reid
2. Ronan Kelleher
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Iain Henderson
5. James Ryan
6. Dan Leavy
7. Josh Van der Flier
8. Jack Conan
9. Conor Murray
10. Joey Carbery
11. Jacob Stockdale
12. Robbie Henshaw
13. Garry Ringrose
14. Aaron Sexton
15. Will Addison

Honourable Mentions: Jack Boyle, James Lowe, Harry Byrne & Ryan Baird

Not to toot my own horn here but I got 10/15 the last time we did this. Were it not for injury I should have had 11/15.

salmocab

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Reading back through the 2019 thread, almost everyone had Marty Moore starting, the move to Wasps was really a terrible decision for him.

Also the below jem from IBF:

To be fair that Furlong would have knocked him at both Leinster and Ireland anyway.

Cork29

If i was the manager my number 1 goal would to be get the 15 best athletes on the pitch. We have plenty of big men not as first choice.

These players will prob not be first choice ever in the centre.

In this 4 year cycle i would convert Stuart McCloskey to a back row position. He is sized up all ready, speed good hands etc.

Born: August 6, 1992 (age 27 years), Bangor, United Kingdom
Height: 1.93 m
Weight: 111 kg

Same with Chris Farrell

Born: March 16, 1993 (age 26 years), Belfast, United Kingdom
Height: 1.91 m
Weight: 110 kg

Same with Sam Arnold

Born: April 8, 1996 (age 23 years), Surrey, United Kingdom
Height: 1.83 m
Weight: 95 kg

The Lost Sheep

Cork29 wrote: »

If i was the manager my number 1 goal would to be get the 15 best athletes on the pitch. We have plenty of big men not as first choice.

These players will prob not be first choice ever in the centre.

In this 4 year cycle i would convert Stuart McCloskey to a back row position. He is sized up all ready, speed good hands etc.

Born: August 6, 1992 (age 27 years), Bangor, United Kingdom
Height: 1.93 m
Weight: 111 kg

Same with Chris Farrell

Born: March 16, 1993 (age 26 years), Belfast, United Kingdom
Height: 1.91 m
Weight: 110 kg

Same with Sam Arnold

Born: April 8, 1996 (age 23 years), Surrey, United Kingdom
Height: 1.83 m
Weight: 95 kg

I dont get why you would do that.

Getting best athletes on pitch is first but you need to look at basics of a position as well and these wouldnt do in the backrow.
Why do we need to be going way of getting all big men in the team.

Cork29

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

I dont get why you would do that.

Getting best athletes on pitch is first but you need to look at basics of a position as well and these wouldnt do in the backrow.
Why do we need to be going way of getting all big men in the team.

These are big men with serious speed also, that is the difference better athletes than say Peter O'Ma.

Can you tell me why they would not do in the backrow?

They have 4 years to be ready for a world cup.

The Lost Sheep

Cork29 wrote: »

These are big men with serious speed also, that is the difference better athletes than say Peter O'Ma.

Can you tell me why they would not do in the backrow?

They have 4 years to be ready for a world cup.

Peter o mahony is an excellent athlete
And they've never played backrow. You have a very different outlook to playing the game in backrow to centre.they are big but that doesnt mean they'll be any good in backrow. Care to show why other than them being big and quick(quick compared to who btw) that they would be good in backrow?

Cork29

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Peter o mahony is an excellent athlete
And they've never played backrow. You have a very different outlook to playing the game in backrow to centre.they are big but that doesnt mean they'll be any good in backrow. Care to show why other than them being big and quick(quick compared to who btw) that they would be good in backrow?

This is why i would convert 3 or more if possible, those players are not the future in centre you agree with that? If 1 or 2 works out we hit the jackpot.

Compared to Peter OMahony all 3 have would burn him speed wise.

Podge_irl

Has outright speed generally been a key factor in playing number 6?

Cork29

Podge_irl wrote: »

Has outright speed generally been a key factor in playing number 6?

Look up Stephen Ferris in youtube.

Ardie Savea, Tom curry serious athletes

Podge_irl

Cork29 wrote: »

Look up Stephen Ferris in youtube.

I don't need to, I've seen him play plenty. First of all, his main asset was not his speed and secondly none of the players you mention have the remotest chance of ever being anything like him. Why on earth you think Ulster or Munster would even entertain both losing good centres and putting up with **** backrows for a number of years is beyond me.

This is about as good an idea as moving Jordan Coughlan to number 12 was.

Cork29

Podge_irl wrote: »

I don't need to, I've seen him play plenty. First of all, his main asset was not his speed and secondly none of the players you mention have the remotest chance of ever being anything like him. Why on earth you think Ulster or Munster would even entertain both losing good centres and putting up with **** backrows for a number of years is beyond me.

This is about as good an idea as moving Jordan Coughlan to number 12 was.

What was his main asset..

He was a freak, strong fast etc. Same build as Farrell etc

How you know they are **** backrows what are they missing?

Also are any the 3 players i mentioned good enough for starting centre for Ireland?

Podge_irl

I would conjecture that any player who has never once played a professional game in the backrow, or anywhere in the forward pack, will be pretty **** when they try.

Cork29

Podge_irl wrote: »

I would conjecture that any player who has never once played a professional game in the backrow, or anywhere in the forward pack, will be pretty **** when they try.

Short term view..... I agree but maybe in 4 years time they be world class?

aloooof

Cork29 wrote: »

Short term view..... I agree but maybe in 4 years time they be world class?

If this is such a good idea, presumably you can name countless players who have transitioned from centre to world class backrows in a 4 year cycle?

Mr Tickle

Podge_irl wrote: »

I would conjecture that any player who has never once played a professional game in the backrow, or anywhere in the forward pack, will be pretty **** when they try.

I know it's lunch time but maybe don't feed the trolls

Cork29

aloooof wrote: »

If this is such a good idea, presumably you can name countless players who have transitioned from centre to world class backrows in a 4 year cycle?

I can name a team that has never won a knockout world cup match.

Did we have out best 15 athletes on the pitch sadly no

We need to try something?