If Fianna Fail win the next election, will we see boom time policies?

Sleeper12

Plumbthedepths wrote:

Before I say goodnight, what has seen the rise of FF after they brought this country to the brink of bankruptcy has been the behaviour of FG since 2011, well done FG on the rehabilitation of FF. Even the recent headlines in the papers have 3 FG politicians having to repay the state after fraudulently claiming expenses.

Totally agree. I blame the typical FG voters too though. Whenever you point out the waste of FG you get back "but sure look at what FF did". That's the bar FG supporters set for their party. But FF did the same is not good enough imo

lola85

TheRiverman wrote: »

I know it is still extremely difficult to try and support Fianna Fail after what they did to the country, but the current shower have savaged us with taxes and cut backs and need to be obliterated at the next election.

Why is there taxes and cut backs?

Go on use your head.

Loafing Oaf

TheRiverman wrote: »

I know it is still extremely difficult to try and support Fianna Fail after what they did to the country, but the current shower have savaged us with taxes and cut backs and need to be obliterated at the next election.

Surely someone who doesn't like either party should be looking for someone else to vote for...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

antimatterx wrote: »

There's going to be an election within the next year. That's for certain. But if FF won, do you reckon we will see a return to boom time policies?

Tax cuts, money thrown at people. Big big plans on paper? Relaxed mortgage rules, big capital investment projects?

Oh absolutely, sure. Definitely. If you're a Fianna Fail politician, a bank manager or have dirt on them.

jmreire

road_high wrote: »

That’s quite an admirable thing, the way we look after OAPs but I just wish there was a lot more honesty and appreciation about it from that section. In reality they are very well looked after compared to European peers and the image of the destitute struggling old pensioner is pretty bloody far from the reality (and thankfully so). Many working people do not get a yearly salary rise or Xmas bonus so don’t see why people on OA pensions expect and demand the same. It’s very weak government and fiscal management that panders to this

Honesty and appreciation from that section....why the hell should they? They have well earned what ever they now get,,,it's been paid for. Ask yourself the same question after you have finished 45-50 years working in this state, and see what you think then. Good Luck to them, they carried this Country on their backs, when it needed carrying... but that's forgotten pretty quick though, isn't it?

TheRiverman

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Surely someone who doesn't like either party should be looking for someone else to vote for...

Sinn Fein,never.
Labour, once did,never again.
Green Party,never,never,never.
All the other misfits,never.

Loafing Oaf

TheRiverman wrote: »

Sinn Fein,never.
Labour, once did,never again.
Green Party,never,never,never.
All the other misfits,never.

Was making a general point, not particularly asking about your voting intentions. You seemed to be implying that people who want to put FG out of office have to vote for FF whether they like them or not...

LillySV

Well fg kind to everyone but the middle income taxpayer ..... the middle income paye worker treated like ****... constantly hit with hidden taxes and charges in every budget... the current Fianna Fáil govt be no better though... they’ve happily stood by in the background for last no of years doing nothing and blaming the confidence and supply agreement ...they’re just happy to sit by doing nothing and getting paid ... something has to change with the political system in Ireland as too many people getting paid too much to do nothing

Wanderer78

LillySV wrote:

Well fg kind to everyone but the middle income taxpayer ..... the middle income paye worker treated like ****... constantly hit with hidden taxes and charges in every budget... the current Fianna Fáil govt be no better though... they’ve happily stood by in the background for last no of years doing nothing and blaming the confidence and supply agreement ...they’re just happy to sit by doing nothing and getting paid ... something has to change with the political system in Ireland as too many people getting paid too much to do nothing

Our political systems have effectively been de-powered, it doesn't really matter who's voted in, as they would have limited abilities to change things, and this isn't confined to Ireland either

suicide_circus

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Our political systems have effectively been de-powered, it doesn't really matter who's voted in, as they would have limited abilities to change things, and this isn't confined to Ireland either

Loafing Oaf

LillySV wrote: »

Well fg kind to everyone but the middle income taxpayer ..... the middle income paye worker treated like ****... constantly hit with hidden taxes and charges in every budget... the current Fianna Fáil govt be no better though... they’ve happily stood by in the background for last no of years doing nothing and blaming the confidence and supply agreement ...they’re just happy to sit by doing nothing and getting paid ... something has to change with the political system in Ireland as too many people getting paid too much to do nothing

Why would you expect any different from FF, irrespective of confidence and supply? They're not trying to hoodwink people about where they stand.

Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin has sought to position his party “a bit to the left” ahead of the general election, and criticised Taoiseach Enda Kenny’s plans for United States levels of personal taxation.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fianna-f%C3%A1il-a-bit-to-the-left-says-miche%C3%A1l-martin-1.2487360

noodler

jmreire wrote: »

So Harry, the "Grey Vote" IE OAP's are Pandered to in a way that the working poor are not....What about the 50 odd years they worked, and were the "working Poor" them selves??? Don't be so quick to blame the OAPs for the ill's of this Country, they are not the cause of it. It was not the OAP's who made the financial mess was it? so pick some other category to blame, banker's, politician's maybe? Leave the OAP's out of it...they have done their bit to keep the Country afloat.

They are the least at risk of poverty, by and large have pensions many now working will never obtain and have their mortgages paid for

The hollowing out of key services for other key areas of the population in favour of enriching the already rich is Mindboggling. As is the championing of it by people who will never enjoy such benefits.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt49DsfKDMc

Danzy

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Strange that the route to power is so straightforward yet nobody is availing of it

They might have some level of basic economics.

Funny how those with all the answers are never running anything large.

Eric Cartman

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The unemployed? There was an anti charges protest that hit the streets in Dublin which had over a 100k march are you claiming every protester was unemployed?

Lets be honest with ourselves here, the vast majority of people protesting against the water charges were unemployed or low earners. People on 25k+ are well used to taxes and charges , wouldnt he half as rialled up.

All those blocking meter installs, the jobstowm thugs etc... they werent exactly doing 9-5s

Eric Cartman

Danzy wrote: »

They might have some level of basic economics.

Funny how those with all the answers are never running anything large.

Politics isnt about having the right answers or right aolutions, its about telling enough lies to make everyone feel warm inside for voting for you, feel like theyre helping others but in reality doing nothing

Geuze

TheRiverman wrote: »

I have savaged us with taxes and cut backs and need to be obliterated at the next election.

cUT BACKS??

Cut backs?

Public spending has risen strongly................

Plumbthedepths

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Lets be honest with ourselves here, the vast majority of people protesting against the water charges were unemployed or low earners. People on 25k+ are well used to taxes and charges , wouldnt he half as rialled up.

All those blocking meter installs, the jobstowm thugs etc... they werent exactly doing 9-5s

The last thing you are doing is being honest. Over 1.6 million households in the state at the inception of charges. Compliance hadn't reached 1 million before the regime was parked.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Lets be honest with ourselves here, the vast majority of people protesting against the water charges were unemployed or low earners. People on 25k+ are well used to taxes and charges , wouldnt he half as rialled up.

All those blocking meter installs, the jobstowm thugs etc... they werent exactly doing 9-5s

They were or you want them to be because it makes it easier for you to make a point?

This logic of protester automatically means unemployed doesn't make for a sound argument, especially when you can't back it up.

Boggles

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Lets be honest with ourselves here

You start.

jmreire

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Lets be honest with ourselves here, the vast majority of people protesting against the water charges were unemployed or low earners. People on 25k+ are well used to taxes and charges , wouldnt he half as rialled up.

All those blocking meter installs, the jobstowm thugs etc... they werent exactly doing 9-5s

Complete and utter B***Sht.....you working for Irish Water, Eric? What have you to say about the way Irish Water was foisted on people? Private company pretending to be the Govt, and insisting on PPS nrs? Illegal from start to finish.

Loafing Oaf

Eric Cartman wrote: »

they always add a religious angle or somethign else to crock it up.

PDs were as secular as any other party of their time, didn't seem to make their brand of 'right wing' any more popular with voters...

Eric Cartman

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

PDs were as secular as any other party of their time, didn't seem to make their brand of 'right wing' any more popular with voters...

Well they were in government with FF , which is more than can ever be said for any of the left or the shinners.

Loafing Oaf

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Well they were in government with FF , which is more than can ever be said for any of the left or the shinners.

Well doesn't their long spell in government and the attendant high profile they enjoyed only underscore my point. Despite all that they never established a solid presence on the political landscape, and whatever success they enjoyed seemed to be largely dependent on the personal support bases of their prominent members

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Well they were in government with FF , which is more than can ever be said for any of the left or the shinners.

Weren't Labour in a coalition in 92?

Eveyone left of far left of any substance has pretty much been in government with FF at some point.

Loafing Oaf

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Weren't Labour in a coalition in 92?

Eveyone left of far left of any substance has pretty much been in government with FF at some point.

He probably means the 'hard left'

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

He probably means the 'hard left'

To Eric, that's pretty much everything left of strong right.

rossie1977

lola85 wrote: »

Have to laugh when people say FG only care about the rich.

The welfare brigade have been spoiled under this government.

Ireland has the one of the lowest welfare spending per capita in Europe. Social welfare rates are same now as in 2009.

Irelands population like most of developed countries is aging at a rapid rate and living longer than ever.

In just the last year the number of people over 65 in Ireland increased by 3.5%. You are going to come to a point in next few decades where nobody might be on dole but social welfare budget increases due to our aging population.

noodler

rossie1977 wrote: »

Ireland has the one of the lowest welfare spending per capita in Europe. Social welfare rates are same now as in 2009.

Irelands population like most of developed countries is aging at a rapid rate and living longer than ever.

In just the last year the number of people over 65 in Ireland increased by 3.5%. You are going to come to a point in next few decades where nobody might be on dole but social welfare budget increases due to our aging population.

Because we have one of the youngest populations in the EU.

Our GDP is also a terrible, inflated metric for the comparison you put forward. Rather than copy that graph from rte, go to Eurostat and make it again using GNI* from the CSO and we'll be closer to average.

ChikiChiki

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Lets be honest with ourselves here, the vast majority of people protesting against the water charges were unemployed or low earners. People on 25k+ are well used to taxes and charges , wouldnt he half as rialled up.

All those blocking meter installs, the jobstowm thugs etc... they werent exactly doing 9-5s

The delusion is strong in this one.