Luas Inspector's shot at MMA takedown

LollipopJimmy

https://www.independent.ie/videos/luas-ticket-inspectors-scuffle-with-commuter-at-bluebell-stop-38544763.html

An absolute vile individual, even if the person they wrestled to the ground had been acting the idiot with them there were far better ways of de-escalating the situation. People on SM are calling for this man to loose his job but he should be in front of the courts for assault. At the end of the day even if this guys was travelling without paying there are ways and means of dealing with it, two grown men wrestling him to the ground isn't the answer

Muller1991

From the video it looks like they had a notebook and they young lad was trying to get it off him.

I think he was issued a fine of some sort and it looked like he was trying to grab the fine or book of fines of the RPU ( Revenue Protection Unit). No need for them to react that way at all its a scummy thing to do, Furthermore he looks like he could be under 18.

If the person is underage there will be a major claim.

Slippin Jimmy

We didn't see what happened before the video. I will reserve judgement until the full facts are known.

LollipopJimmy

Muller1991 wrote: »

From the video it looks like they had a notebook and they young lad was trying to get it off him.

I think he was issued a fine of some sort and it looked like he was trying to grab the fine or book of fines of the RPU ( Revenue Protection Unit). No need for them to react that way at all its a scummy thing to do, Furthermore he looks like he could be under 18.

If the person is underage there will be a major claim.

According to others the inspector was refusing to return the lads bank card.

Slippin Jimmy wrote: »

We didn't see what happened before the video. I will reserve judgement until the full facts are known.

That level of violence is enough for me to make judgement, there was no clear danger to the inspector and slamming somebody the way he did was uncalled for no matter what.

magicbastarder

do the ticket inspectors receive any training in self defence? not that the video appears to show self defence.
i had assumed that any sort of proactive physical contact would be specifically left to security staff, that the inspectors would be under instruction not to engage in this manner, in any way.

Jamie2k9

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

According to others the inspector was refusing to return the lads bank card.



That level of violence is enough for me to make judgement, there was no clear danger to the inspector and slamming somebody the way he did was uncalled for no matter what.

Lets say the young lad said he had a knife on him, I presume you would wait for it to produced before acting?

There is clearly more to this and yes it does look excessive but it could be justified.

LegallyAbroad

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Lets say the young lad said he had a knife on him, I presume you would wait for it to produced before acting?

There is clearly more to this and yes it does look excessive but it could be justified.

Get a grip.

Addle

Were passengers locked in the luas?
Why didn’t anyone intervene?

magicbastarder

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Lets say the young lad said he had a knife on him, I presume you would wait for it to produced before acting?

apart from that being wild speculation, if someone claims they have a knife but has not produced it, are you suggesting that a ticket inspector should try to subdue him?

LegallyAbroad

Addle wrote: »

Were passengers locked in the luas?
Why didn’t anyone intervene?

The luas literally pulls away as it is being filmed.

Jamie2k9

magicbastarder wrote: »

apart from that being wild speculation, if someone claims they have a knife but has not produced it, are you suggesting that a ticket inspector should try to subdue him?

Wild speculation, hence why people shouldn't judge. Nobody was on the tram he got off or platform to give an informed opinion. So far only his sister has made various claims.

As for inspectors actions, yes especially when he started walking towards him.

Yer Da sells Avon

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Lets say the young lad said he had a knife on him, I presume you would wait for it to produced before acting?

There is clearly more to this and yes it does look excessive but it could be justified.

Only on Boards...

sexmag

Unless the rpu agent is under threat there is absolutely no excuse for it. As the video goes it seems the lad was trying to take something from his hand.

I for one wouldnt consider that under threat which would require such violence

Idbatterim

just read the headline, Ill hazard a guess that some degenerate was taking the piss as usual...

sexmag

Idbatterim wrote: »

just read the headline, Ill hazard a guess that some degenerate was taking the piss as usual...

Yeah RPU on power trip,he needs to be sacked

godtabh

Fair play to him. To many scrotes on that line taking the piss. Clearly he was going for the luas lad and he was defending himself.

Dtp1979

Do those rent a cops have authority to manhandle people like that?

LollipopJimmy

godtabh wrote: »

Fair play to him. To many scrotes on that line taking the piss. Clearly he was going for the luas lad and he was defending himself.

See here's the thing, I love in that area and these guys never ever get involved when there's hassle on the Luas from actual scumbags, they call for the security team and cower in the corner. But this lad is clearly a lot smaller so he had no problem slamming him onto the edge of the platform, lucky not seriously injure the lad.

Infini

Slippin Jimmy wrote: »

We didn't see what happened before the video. I will reserve judgement until the full facts are known.

I would be of this opinion as well, these videos always happen well after an initial provocation and to be honest there are a ton of self entitled pricks out there that hurl abuse at revenue staff and actually deserve a slap or two to teach em a lesson as they dont respond to reason only force.

Idbatterim

they will have cctv footage from the luas stop, wont be relying on the local scumbags to start the footage after scumbag perpetrator has taken things too far!

banie01

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Only on Boards...

Its Schroedinger's knife

godtabh

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

See here's the thing, I love in that area and these guys never ever get involved when there's hassle on the Luas from actual scumbags, they call for the security team and cower in the corner. But this lad is clearly a lot smaller so he had no problem slamming him onto the edge of the platform, lucky not seriously injure the lad.

Big or small if he was in fear he is justified in what he did in my eye.

lalababa

From the footage: Absolutely nothing wrong with that.....like has the world gone mad or something?? Are we supposed to lie down and wait for the cops or what?

That said we don't know the situation.

Mango Joe

Inspector was a classic wannabe hard man here - Itching to use all the MMA moves he saw on the telly.

Hope he loses his job, prick.

D3V!L

He could have snapped the boys neck against the kerb. That was an out and our body slam rather than trying to subdue him.

lawred2

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/videos/luas-ticket-inspectors-scuffle-with-commuter-at-bluebell-stop-38544763.html

An absolute vile individual, even if the person they wrestled to the ground had been acting the idiot with them there were far better ways of de-escalating the situation. People on SM are calling for this man to loose his job but he should be in front of the courts for assault. At the end of the day even if this guys was travelling without paying there are ways and means of dealing with it, two grown men wrestling him to the ground isn't the answer

That doesn't look like appropriate force at all... that lad will be dismissed and the assaulted will be compensated.

Nothing about that person assualted or their demeanour looked threatening.

Wannabe hard man in a hi viz... prick

lawred2

lalababa wrote: »

From the footage: Absolutely nothing wrong with that.....like has the world gone mad or something?? Are we supposed to lie down and wait for the cops or what?

That said we don't know the situation.

lawred2

godtabh wrote: »

Fair play to him. To many scrotes on that line taking the piss. Clearly he was going for the luas lad and he was defending himself.

He clearly wasn't 'going for him' - he was going after whatever was in the Luas inspector's hand. It was almost Benny Hill like before the neck lock and body slam.

Seemed like he was asking for something back!

katie275

godtabh wrote: »

Big or small if he was in fear he is justified in what he did in my eye.

Seriously?? Doesn't look like he was afraid to me...
There was no call for that and it was absolutely not justified. I hope he gets sacked!!

Addle

Admittedly, I don’t get the luas often.
I’ve seen people fined and not kicked off the luas.
What happens to have a ‘conversation’ taken outside?

Peregrine

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Do those rent a cops have authority to manhandle people like that?

No. It's not even the Luas security, they're ticket inspectors.

A bit like a parking warden beating someone up.

There should be a full investigation, of course, but I struggle to think of real world scenarios where that reaction is justifiable.

saabsaab

I wouldn't call this violence - no blows were struck home they were interfered with and subdued this individual.

Dyr

Nice takedown, good teamwork, bowsie subdued. Good job.

Doubtless little Jimmy the Bowsie will walk out of the courts without a blemish on his good name and a hefty claim for himself.

marieholmfan

Bambi wrote: »

Nice takedown, good teamwork, bowsie subdued. Good job.

Doubtless little Jimmy the Bowsie will walk out of the courts without a blemish on his good name and a hefty claim for himself.

Unfortunately the little scumbag may well have a claim. A hard working family man may lose his job for giving a scobe a couple of digs.




Disgraceful. Bring back lugs!

marieholmfan

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

See here's the thing, I love in that area and these guys never ever get involved when there's hassle on the Luas from actual scumbags, they call for the security team and cower in the corner. But this lad is clearly a lot smaller so he had no problem slamming him onto the edge of the platform, lucky not seriously injure the lad.

True - the inspectors need to be armed to the teeth. In fact all 'law abiding' Dubliners need to be given permission to open carry as in America and to 'blast' the 'junkies' to 'kingdom come'.

whisky_galore

Chances are there was good reason, so many scummers on the Luas and public transport in general who will never get the hole kicking they deserve.

theguzman

I saw the video on facebook, looked to me like the individual was perhaps trying to commit suicide as the other tram was approaching and tthe security restrained him for safety.

BDI

Perfectly acceptable takedown. What’s he meant to do throw a fisherman net with a duvet in it over him?
Just give him his notebook?

lawred2

BDI wrote: »

Perfectly acceptable takedown. What’s he meant to do throw a fisherman net with a duvet in it over him?
Just give him his notebook?

Takedown? Why was there any need for a 'takedown'?

magicbastarder

it's all gone very AH in here.

BDI

lawred2 wrote: »

Takedown? Why was there any need for a 'takedown'?

Have you ever been in a fight?

Holding somebody by the forehead and letting them punch the air until they run out of steam is fairly risky behaviour and not taught in any self defence classes I’m aware of.

The member of public was the aggressor here.

lawred2

BDI wrote: »

Have you ever been in a fight?

Holding somebody by the forehead and letting them punch the air until they run out of steam is fairly risky behaviour and not taught in any self defence classes I’m aware of.

The member of public was the aggressor here.

Why outside of the schoolyard would I be 'in a fight'?

What an odd question which has zero relevance to anything.

If that's what you consider an aggressor then I would hazard a guess that you're quite experienced in the fighting game yourself.

What punching were you referring to? I didn't see anything remotely resembling a punch in that video!?

Maybe I'm just not hard enough...

monument

Locking this thread given the low quality of posting.

Gatling

According to the person on the grounds he's on for a huge payout ,
Even worse is the person who recorded part of the incident giving his opinion on Luas staff to the media ,

They have a thankless job

facehugger99

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

See here's the thing, I love in that area

TMI buddy.

BDI

lawred2 wrote: »

Why outside of the schoolyard would I be 'in a fight'?

What an odd question which has zero relevance to anything.

If that's what you consider an aggressor then I would hazard a guess that you're quite experienced in the fighting game yourself.

What punching were you referring to? I didn't see anything remotely resembling a punch in that video!?

Maybe I'm just not hard enough...

We both know it wasn’t about how tough you were. It was about your unrealistic expectation that a poorly paid unskilled worker can neutralize a man trying to take his property safely without taking him to the ground.

Ginger83

$$$$$$$$ & 2 P45s

BDI

Ginger83 wrote: »

$$$$$$$$ & 2 P45s

You think the other fella should be sacked for holding his legs?

Paul_Mc1988

Hung around with the guy doing the throwing for a few years but that was many moons ago. He did MMA for a few years and that's a throw you learn. He was bullied for years as he has a severe eye sight condition which only allows him to see a few foot in front of him. Used to be a genuinely nice guy and that would be completely out of character. Still though the throw looks like it was unwarranted.

BDI

Paul_Mc1988 wrote: »

Hung around with the guy doing the throwing for a few years but that was many moons ago. He did MMA for a few years and that's a throw you learn. He was bullied for years as he has a severe eye sight condition which only allows him to see a few foot in front of him. Used to be a genuinely nice guy and that would be completely out of character. Still though the throw looks like it was unwarranted.

A headlock takedown? You see it in every school yard up and down the country it’s hardly Bruce lee territory.

Ginger83

BDI wrote: »

You think the other fella should be sacked for holding his legs?

He assisted an unprovoked assault.