MOST HATED PERSON IN IRISH HISTORY?

sxt

Who is it?

Diarmuid Mac Murrough

He invited the English to Ireland in 1169 after losing his throne as King of Leinster. King Henry II took him up on it and the Irish have been trying to get rid of the British ever since.

Oliver Cromwell

He decided to use Ireland as his own killing field to advance his political career in Britain. Murdered and deported tens of thousands of Irish as slaves.



Charles Trevelyan

Britain’s overseer of Ireland during the Great Hunger. He decided that economic policy and ‘not coddling the poor’ was more important than millions starving.



Lord Lucan

The worst landlord in Ireland during the Great Hunger. He turned 10,000 people out of their homes in Ballinrobe in Mayo alone. Thousands starved to death as he ruthlessly cleared the land.


Captain William O’Shea

He decided to divorce Kitty O’Shea despite knowing it would bring down Charles Stewart Parnell, who was on the verge of achieving Home Rule. He was egged on by British interests to do so. Despite the fact that O’Shea and Kitty were separated when she met Parnell, the resulting Victorian era scandal took down Ireland’s "Uncrowned King."

David Lloyd George

Also known as ‘the Welsh Wizard,’ this British Prime Minister split the Irish delegation during the treaty talks and insisted on Irish partition and keeping his unionist backers happy at all costs.



Winston Churchill
A young Winston Churchill, responsible for the Black and Tans.

A young Winston Churchill, responsible for the Black and Tans.

He invented the Black and Tans and was responsible for sending them to Ireland to force the Irish rebellion into surrender.


General Eoin O’Duffy

In the 1930s, he started the Blueshirts, which was the Irish equivalent of the Nazis. He raised a brigade to fight with Franco in the Spanish Civil War and was an admirer of Hitler.


Margaret Thatcher

She allowed ten IRA prisoners, led by Bobby Sands, to starve to death in 1981. The bloody-handed move backfired when Sands was elected as MP and kick-started the Sinn Fein political rise a month before his death.


Colonel Derek Wilford

He was Parachute Regiment commander in Derry in 1972 when he unleashed the paras to fire on unarmed civilians on 'Bloody Sunday.' 26 were shot and 14 died. Subsequently known as “the Butcher of the Bogside.”


I copied this from below link but it was lacking an after hours poll!

https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/most-hated-people-irish-history

TheValeyard

Ahh, the League of Basterds



No poll?


I'd vote Cromwell.



Edit : cheers for the poll

Ruraldweller56

Al Porter. Hozier. Conor mcgregor. Jennifer from Jennifer and Eamonn. Alison Spittle.

Wayne Jarvis

My "hilarious" After Hours answer is me, Guy Person. A total fúcking wánker.




My serious actual answer is the same.

dxhound2005

It's the ones you never heard of were the real villains.

Jacob Rees Mogg should be on that list. He would probably come a close second to Cromwell these days. Many of the others can probably be excused in different ways, eg the Normans or their successors would eventually have come here anyway, and would have colonised us more comprehensively.

If anything, the Normans helped to modernise the country and then swiftly assimilated. I personally have no hard feelings towards Diarmuid McMurrough for that reason.

ZX7R

Larry Murphy

Harry Palmr

Finally, another Brit bashing thread! Its been a week at least some must have been getting twitchy

Shefwedfan

Lottie Ryan

Close the thread :-)

dxhound2005

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Lottie Ryan

Close the thread :-)

We needed that for a bit of gender balance.

chopperbyrne

SEPT 23 1989

Cromwell was a proud republican

Dravokivich

Ehm... It was the Normans, not English in 1169.

dxhound2005

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Cromwell was a proud republican

Some unkind Dundalk person said his biggest mistake was leaving a man and woman alive in Drogheda.

Ipso

McMurrough being the worse is laughable, Gaelic Ireland was very fragmented. After the Spanish invasion of Kinsale it took the O’Neills about six weeks to march down (and during that six weeks they plundered neighbouring chieftans) and when the O’Donnels marched down they plundered so much on their way that their survivors of the battle were attacked on the march home.
Then there were the locals who sold horses to the Spanish at high prices and then stole them back.
I’d vote for the people who bailed out Anglo and the muppets who thought we could buy and sell over inflated sh1t houses to each other for infinity.

Panthro

Charles Trevelyan, complete pr!ck.

Ipso

Dravokivich wrote: »

Ehm... It was the Normans, not English in 1169.

Shirn what’s the difference, they were all prods anyway.

Wayne Jarvis

Dravokivich wrote: »

Ehm... It was the Normans, not English in 1169.

People who start off correcting someone by saying Ehm... were definitely prefects in secondary school.

Tell me how

Ipso wrote: »

Shirn what’s the difference, they were all prods anyway.

Protestant Religion wasn't formed until nearly 500 years later.

Sheeps

Thierry Henry

normanoffside

Bono

smelly sock

John Connors should be a contender.

Dravokivich

Guy Person wrote: »

People who start off correcting someone by saying Ehm... were definitely prefects in secondary school.

Hope you dont feel bad about being wrong.

partyguinness

I'm sorry but Wim Kieft has to be right up there.

And Pascal Pape for trying to finger SOB in 2015.

Dravokivich

Dravokivich wrote: »

Ehm... It was the Normans, not English in 1169.

Pretty sure Strongbow was second or third generation English-born. They were Normans, but they were also English by then.

dxhound2005

partyguinness wrote: »

I'm sorry but Wim Kieft has to be right up there.

Him and King Billy.

Ipso

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Dravokivich wrote: »

Ehm... It was the Normans, not English in 1169.

Pretty sure Strongbow was second or third generation English-born. They were Normans, but they were also English by then.

I think they still considered themselves a class separate from the native Ingerlish.

Pinch Flat

Was in London there two weeks ago. Statue of Oliver Cromwell outside the Houses of Parliament. Bit like having a statue of Hitler in central Berlin.

smelly sock

partyguinness wrote: »

I'm sorry but Wim Kieft has to be right up there.

And Pascal Pape for trying to finger SOB in 2015.

Was he the guy SOB pissed on in the pub?

partyguinness

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Him and King Billy.

Indeed both Orange bastards.

IAMAMORON

Ipso wrote: »

Shirn what’s the difference, they were all prods anyway.

Someone needs to go back to school I think.

Protestantism did not even exist for another 400 years.

Ipso

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Ipso wrote: »

Shirn what’s the difference, they were all prods anyway.

Some one needs to go back to school I think.

Protestantism did not even exist for another 400 years.

Ah here. It was an attempt at humour. Mods, can we have comic sans font for special purposes?

partyguinness

Ipso wrote: »

I think they still considered themselves a class separate from the native Ingerlish.

Yeah but you see the vast vast majority of Brits honest to God could not tell you the first thing about Oliver Cromwell let alone his connection with Ireland.

You see when your history is full of murderous fcukers that went all around the world, where do start in teaching it? Answer: you just don't bother in the first place.

Living here I genuinely mean that.

Don't forget Frances Drake- he was another bad ****er.

yosser hughes

Eamon de Valera or Charlie Haughey. We're still living with the culture of corruption they created and propagated.
After them, Gerry Adams

Gregor Samsa

smelly sock

yosser hughes wrote: »

Eamon de Valera or Charlie Haughey. We're still living with the culture of corruption they created and propagated.
After them, Gerry Adams

Adams was a freedom fighter. Much like Collins or Pearse.

Ipso

partyguinness wrote: »

Ipso wrote: »

I think they still considered themselves a class separate from the native Ingerlish.

Yeah but you see the vast vast majority of Brits honest to God could not tell you the first thing about Oliver Cromwell let alone his connection with Ireland.

You see when your history is full of murderous fcukers that went all around the world, where do start in teaching it? Answer: you just don't bother in the first place.

Living here I genuinely mean that.

Don't forget Frances Drake- he was another bad ****er.

I find it hilarious how people fawn over the royal family. Their ancestors slaughtered each other to control land, glorified Milwall hooligans with fancy titles.

IAMAMORON

Ipso wrote: »

Ah here. It was an attempt at humour. Mods, can we have comic sans font for special purposes?

Only if you can tell me who Richard De Clare was without googling it?

He was Catholic btw , non British and his burial ground is open to spurious debate.

smelly sock

Wayne O'Donoghue . The man who killed little Robert Holohan in Cork.

Wayne Jarvis

Dravokivich wrote: »

Hope you dont feel bad about being wrong.

I don't, sure why would anyone?

Gregor Samsa

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Only if you can tell me who Richard De Clare was without googling it?

He’s the guy who invented twoies of cider.

MayoSalmon

smelly sock wrote:

Adams was a freedom fighter. Much like Collins or Pearse.

Lol

partyguinness

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Only if you can tell me who Richard De Clare was without googling it?

He was Catholic btw , non British and his burial ground is open to spurious debate.

Oh I remember this from a tour of Christchruch. Connected with Strongbow I think- I was hungover.

Ipso

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Ipso wrote: »

Ah here. It was an attempt at humour. Mods, can we have comic sans font for special purposes?

Only if you can tell me who Richard De Clare was without googling it?

He was Catholic btw , non British and his burial ground is open to spurious debate.

Norman lord (descended for the victors at hastings who had some connection to the English throne based a possible promise made by Edward the confessor to William the bastid).
Got invited to help with an internal gaelic struggle, married into Leister gaelicdom, became more Irish than the Irish themselves etc
More came after, Burkes, Joyces etc
I confess I have little knowledge on the detail of the period. I welcome recommendations for any good books on the subject/time period.

Ipso

Ipso wrote: »

I think they still considered themselves a class separate from the native Ingerlish.

But William Marshal 1st Earl of Pembroke, son in law of Strongbow, definitely considered himself English. And the Normans werent even a cohesive group of people in thr first place, so that's no surprise.

Ipso

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ipso wrote: »

I think they still considered themselves a class separate from the native Ingerlish.

But William Marshal 1st Earl of Pembroke, son in law of Strongbow, definitely considered himself English. And the Normans werent even a cohesive group of people in thr first place, so that's no surprise.

Was this time frame also post the White Ship, so the Normans were in their last legs?

Ipso

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ipso wrote: »

I think they still considered themselves a class separate from the native Ingerlish.

But William Marshal 1st Earl of Pembroke, son in law of Strongbow, definitely considered himself English. And the Normans werent even a cohesive group of people in thr first place, so that's no surprise.

Was this time frame also post the White Ship, so the Normans were on their last legs?

IAMAMORON

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

He’s the guy who invented twoies of cider.

That was his cousin I reckon. They all drank ale then anyway, unless you were in Clonmel.

dxhound2005

Ipso wrote: »

Norman lord (descended for the victors at hastings who had some connection to the English throne based a possible promise made by Edward the confessor to William the bastid).
Got invited to help with an internal gaelic struggle, married into Leister gaelicdom, became more Irish than the Irish themselves etc
More came after, Burkes, Joyces etc
I confess I have little knowledge on the detail of the period. I welcome recommendations for any good books on the subject/time period.

Is he any relation of Thierry Henri?

iamwhoiam

Brian Cowan

IAMAMORON

I can't believe no one mentioned Ryan Tubridy yet, what is wrong everyone these days?