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Leader of country caught up in blackface controversy.

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    #242
    [Deleted User]
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    It's depressing the way people make a deal out of this silly stuff from 18 years ago and keep their eye off the ball about what he, or the people spinning this who need a distraction, are doing today.

    Follow those government contracts, who is giving them and who is receiving them.

    Actually, most of what passes as political debate nowadays is this sort of vacuous nonsense, and the bigger and long verified picture of a rich elite - none of whom are on websites like this (as people on €100k or €500k here like to think they're part of a "rich elite") - getting richer than ever is overlooked while the plebs get distracted by this sort of stuff and all the other low-hanging fruit of political targets. Likewise, Trump should be opposed because he's a profoundly corrupt and egregiously unethical person to hold public office - not because he sleeps with prostitutes or whatever his latest stupid tweet is.


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    #243
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    You realise, that by European standards, Trudeau is right of the British conservative party?

    He's about as liberal as Michael McDowell.

    He's also an absolute bell end.

    People kind sounds pretty woke to me. Is Michael McDowell renowned for being pronoun savvy and generally woke?


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    #244
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Overheal wrote: »
    'that user' didn't drag up other threads, you did.

    Yes he did:
    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    He might mean all the psychotic americanised 'them and us' 'lefty/righty' ****e .........

    Threads, indeed, which that user posts in all the time, as I pointed out.
    You are, in fact, complaining about those threads, which you take part in, bemoaning fascist leftist libruls

    This is absurd. I chastise a user for complaining about threads, given that they themselves partake in the very threads they alluded to, and the response is to accuse me of complaining about those threads?? Haha.

    Nope, I quite like those threads in fact, and all the 'lefty/righty' s***e' stuff within them too, as I feel it exposes Boards' lefties and brings them out into the light and that's all good with me. I like seeing them make fools of themselves on the regular.


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    #245
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,784 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Yes he did:



    Threads, indeed, which that user posts in all the time, as I pointed out.



    This is absurd. I chastise a user for complaining about threads, given that they themselves partake in the very threads they alluded to, and the response is to accuse me of complaining about those threads?? Haha.

    Nope, I quite like those threads in fact, and all the 'lefty/righty' s***e' stuff within them too, as I feel it exposes Boards' lefties and brings them out into the light and that's all good with me. I like seeing them make fools of themselves on the regular.
    He didn't mention threads at all. Now you're just a liar. " all the psychotic americanised 'them and us' 'lefty/righty' ****e" isn't just confined to this forum, or this site.

    I like those threads too though for making fools of people who banter on about the fascist liberal left or whatever.


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    #246
    M.T. Cranium
    Registered Users Posts: 14,348 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    The view from within Canada is that hypocrisy is the main element of this growing scandal (now three separate pictures or videos have emerged). The Liberal Party without Justin Trudeau was centrist (some might say centre-left) and with a long-standing identification as champion of ethnic communities and anti-discrimination. With Justin Trudeau, it was a case of doubling down on all that and making numerous largely unfounded accusations of terrible discriminatory attitudes among his political opponents. Now all this comes out and the man looks like a complete hypocrite. Commentators have asked, if this were any other leader, or one of your own MPs running for election, what would you say to them? Of course it would be resign. But there is no sign of this man resigning (yet), however, I think the pressure will grow from within his own party as well as in other places.

    You can also draw the conclusion that Canada does not walk the walk, only talks the talk in certain areas. I have observed this for many years and felt nauseated from time to time by sanctimonious declarations of Canada being some light to the nations and the best country on earth, which I suppose is not unique to Canada. Part of the reason for that is the challenge of living next door to the most powerful nation on earth (and now being a major trading partner of the second most powerful nation, China). There has been an inferiority complex due to the overflowing American (and European perhaps) culture overwhelming what is generally acknowledged to be a sort of delicate hothouse entity, Canadian culture (best not to know about it). But part of the pushback on that is to develop this chest-thumping Canadian nationalism for which the Liberal Party is the main engine.

    The recent success of Stephen Harper as a Conservative leader was basically to take the Liberal template and turn it from red to blue, a sort of right wing Liberal nationalist politics. That only lasted until the Son of Trudeau appeared (some say son of Castro but that's a whole other kettle of fish). Harper was dispatched to the political wilderness so we could bask in the sunny ways of the Boy Emperor. It has been a rather rough ride even before this mess. There has been a major scandal about favours shown to Quebec business "SNC Lavalin" by the PM and his powerful advisors, over-ruling the Justice Minister in an important court case, causing her to resign and leave the party. And she's a native Canadian so here again, the hypocrisy aspect, the so-called feminist non-racialist PM showing no respect to a woman of that background.

    If the government wins this election now, I would be very surprised but we have a wide array of alternatives on both left and right including a new right-wing populist alternative to the centre-right Conservatives, two strong leftist parties, even a separatist party in Quebec that will draw in more votes now, so vote totals in some ridings could be split five or six ways. Three former Liberals who resigned over the SNC Lavalin business are also running as independents and each could win a seat. As we still have the "first past the post" and no shred of proportional voting here, quite possible that in some ridings a person could win with 25 to 30 per cent of the vote (which is in October).

    Personally, I think Justin Trudeau has no option but to resign. This is not just a "boys acting badly" tempest in a teapot. This is full-scale do what I say, not what I do, and now that you know, bend over and take some more of it, and I can't see how the Liberal Party survives this. The good outcome is that Canadians who supported that smug attitude about the shining city on a hill will perhaps see that the world is not quite as impressed as they are. Don't take it out on all of us, they had their own political party so we have always walked separate paths. (I am a libertarian, another party we have but not one that has ever elected MPs).


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    #247
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    M.T. Cranium wrote: »
    Personally, I think Justin Trudeau has no option but to resign. This is not just a "boys acting badly" tempest in a teapot. This is full-scale do what I say, not what I do, and now that you know, bend over and take some more of it, and I can't see how the Liberal Party survives this.

    Live by the woke, die by the woke


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    #248
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,784 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Also whatever about Megyn Kelly: she's an employee of a private company, not a government head. People cede too much 'authority' over to talking heads.


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    #249
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    thanks MT for that insider scoop!


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    #250
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    M.T. Cranium wrote: »
    The view from within Canada is that hypocrisy is the main element of this growing scandal (now three separate pictures or videos have emerged). The Liberal Party without Justin Trudeau was centrist (some might say centre-left) and with a long-standing identification as champion of ethnic communities and anti-discrimination. With Justin Trudeau, it was a case of doubling down on all that and making numerous largely unfounded accusations of terrible discriminatory attitudes among his political opponents. Now all this comes out and the man looks like a complete hypocrite. Commentators have asked, if this were any other leader, or one of your own MPs running for election, what would you say to them? Of course it would be resign. But there is no sign of this man resigning (yet), however, I think the pressure will grow from within his own party as well as in other places.

    You can also draw the conclusion that Canada does not walk the walk, only talks the talk in certain areas. I have observed this for many years and felt nauseated from time to time by sanctimonious declarations of Canada being some light to the nations and the best country on earth, which I suppose is not unique to Canada. Part of the reason for that is the challenge of living next door to the most powerful nation on earth (and now being a major trading partner of the second most powerful nation, China). There has been an inferiority complex due to the overflowing American (and European perhaps) culture overwhelming what is generally acknowledged to be a sort of delicate hothouse entity, Canadian culture (best not to know about it). But part of the pushback on that is to develop this chest-thumping Canadian nationalism for which the Liberal Party is the main engine.

    The recent success of Stephen Harper as a Conservative leader was basically to take the Liberal template and turn it from red to blue, a sort of right wing Liberal nationalist politics. That only lasted until the Son of Trudeau appeared (some say son of Castro but that's a whole other kettle of fish). Harper was dispatched to the political wilderness so we could bask in the sunny ways of the Boy Emperor. It has been a rather rough ride even before this mess. There has been a major scandal about favours shown to Quebec business "SNC Lavalin" by the PM and his powerful advisors, over-ruling the Justice Minister in an important court case, causing her to resign and leave the party. And she's a native Canadian so here again, the hypocrisy aspect, the so-called feminist non-racialist PM showing no respect to a woman of that background.

    If the government wins this election now, I would be very surprised but we have a wide array of alternatives on both left and right including a new right-wing populist alternative to the centre-right Conservatives, two strong leftist parties, even a separatist party in Quebec that will draw in more votes now, so vote totals in some ridings could be split five or six ways. Three former Liberals who resigned over the SNC Lavalin business are also running as independents and each could win a seat. As we still have the "first past the post" and no shred of proportional voting here, quite possible that in some ridings a person could win with 25 to 30 per cent of the vote (which is in October).

    Personally, I think Justin Trudeau has no option but to resign. This is not just a "boys acting badly" tempest in a teapot. This is full-scale do what I say, not what I do, and now that you know, bend over and take some more of it, and I can't see how the Liberal Party survives this. The good outcome is that Canadians who supported that smug attitude about the shining city on a hill will perhaps see that the world is not quite as impressed as they are. Don't take it out on all of us, they had their own political party so we have always walked separate paths. (I am a libertarian, another party we have but not one that has ever elected MPs).

    I don’t see you much on boards but when I do you are the smart well clued in guy at the huge boards moment.

    They called me the weather man during the huge snow thing we had last year because I regurgitated your stuff and predicted they would have to close the job for a few days.

    A true boards legend.


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    #251
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,292 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    M.T. Cranium wrote: »
    The view from within Canada is that hypocrisy is the main element of this growing scandal (now three separate pictures or videos have emerged). The Liberal Party without Justin Trudeau was centrist (some might say centre-left) and with a long-standing identification as champion of ethnic communities and anti-discrimination. With Justin Trudeau, it was a case of doubling down on all that and making numerous largely unfounded accusations of terrible discriminatory attitudes among his political opponents. Now all this comes out and the man looks like a complete hypocrite. Commentators have asked, if this were any other leader, or one of your own MPs running for election, what would you say to them? Of course it would be resign. But there is no sign of this man resigning (yet), however, I think the pressure will grow from within his own party as well as in other places.

    You can also draw the conclusion that Canada does not walk the walk, only talks the talk in certain areas. I have observed this for many years and felt nauseated from time to time by sanctimonious declarations of Canada being some light to the nations and the best country on earth, which I suppose is not unique to Canada. Part of the reason for that is the challenge of living next door to the most powerful nation on earth (and now being a major trading partner of the second most powerful nation, China). There has been an inferiority complex due to the overflowing American (and European perhaps) culture overwhelming what is generally acknowledged to be a sort of delicate hothouse entity, Canadian culture (best not to know about it). But part of the pushback on that is to develop this chest-thumping Canadian nationalism for which the Liberal Party is the main engine.

    The recent success of Stephen Harper as a Conservative leader was basically to take the Liberal template and turn it from red to blue, a sort of right wing Liberal nationalist politics. That only lasted until the Son of Trudeau appeared (some say son of Castro but that's a whole other kettle of fish). Harper was dispatched to the political wilderness so we could bask in the sunny ways of the Boy Emperor. It has been a rather rough ride even before this mess. There has been a major scandal about favours shown to Quebec business "SNC Lavalin" by the PM and his powerful advisors, over-ruling the Justice Minister in an important court case, causing her to resign and leave the party. And she's a native Canadian so here again, the hypocrisy aspect, the so-called feminist non-racialist PM showing no respect to a woman of that background.

    If the government wins this election now, I would be very surprised but we have a wide array of alternatives on both left and right including a new right-wing populist alternative to the centre-right Conservatives, two strong leftist parties, even a separatist party in Quebec that will draw in more votes now, so vote totals in some ridings could be split five or six ways. Three former Liberals who resigned over the SNC Lavalin business are also running as independents and each could win a seat. As we still have the "first past the post" and no shred of proportional voting here, quite possible that in some ridings a person could win with 25 to 30 per cent of the vote (which is in October).

    Personally, I think Justin Trudeau has no option but to resign. This is not just a "boys acting badly" tempest in a teapot. This is full-scale do what I say, not what I do, and now that you know, bend over and take some more of it, and I can't see how the Liberal Party survives this. The good outcome is that Canadians who supported that smug attitude about the shining city on a hill will perhaps see that the world is not quite as impressed as they are. Don't take it out on all of us, they had their own political party so we have always walked separate paths. (I am a libertarian, another party we have but not one that has ever elected MPs).

    What ever side or take on this, that post is exceptionally good.


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    #252
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Overheal wrote: »
    He didn't mention threads at all. Now you're just a liar. " all the psychotic americanised 'them and us' 'lefty/righty' ****e" isn't just confined to this forum, or this site.

    You're showing very poor comprehension, Overheal. Now you're suggesting the user was referring to other websites??

    Let me refresh you on how the discussion played out, as you appear not to have a clue:
    Jamiekelly wrote: »
    Since when did an Irish forum become so hyper American? It's fairly cringey at this stage.
    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    It’s a current affairs forum. Not Irish current affairs.
    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    He might mean all the psychotic americanised 'them and us' 'lefty/righty' ****e

    So, you see, quite clear they were talking about Boards / the Current Affairs forum and not any other website. It's also quite clear which threads the user was alluding to. Maybe in future familiarise yourself with a discussion before jumping in with both feet and calling someone a liar.


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    #253
    pinkyeye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭pinkyeye


    Okay, so let me understand this from a far right point of view.

    Blackface is fine, no problem.

    Unless you're a so called "leftist or liberal". I don't get it???


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    #254
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    He needs to resign. He just looks like a complete hyocritical muppet. He is also going to do a lot of damage in any upcoming election. Also once us maybe forgivable but three times. No.


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    #255
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,292 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    pinkyeye wrote: »
    Okay, so let me understand this from a far right point of view.

    Blackface is fine, no problem.

    Unless you're a so called "leftist or liberal". I don't get it???

    People like seeing the ultra righteous preacher types being exposed.


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    #256
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    pinkyeye wrote: »
    Blackface is fine, no problem.

    Whats your own opinion on this?


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    #257
    otnomart
    Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    "Leader of country caught up in blackface controversy."

    As was in 2015 the current European Commissioner-designate for Justice


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/03/20/belgiums-foreign-minister-still-thinks-its-okay-to-dress-up-in-blackface/


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    #258
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Danzy wrote: »
    People like seeing the ultra righteous preacher types being exposed.
    its the equivalent of one of those bible bashing televangelists being caught in a motel with a black trans hooker and a pound of meth


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    #259
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    Danzy wrote: »
    People like seeing the ultra righteous preacher types being exposed.

    I'm guessing Mary Robinson still has loads of fans here despite her hypocritical "oil billionaires lapdog" stuff.


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    #260
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    HailSatan wrote: »
    Danzy wrote: »
    People like seeing the ultra righteous preacher types being exposed.

    I'm guessing Mary Robinson still has loads of fans here despite her hypocritical "oil billionaires lapdog" stuff.
    Kind of went off her when she assisted the family of that poor girl who tried to run away from them. She is a scumbag.


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    #261
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    otnomart wrote: »
    "Leader of country caught up in blackface controversy."

    As was in 2015 the current European Commissioner-designate for Justice


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/03/20/belgiums-foreign-minister-still-thinks-its-okay-to-dress-up-in-blackface/
    I have never seen anyone in blackface. What is this obsession so many politicans seem to have with this. Also I think prince Harry dressed up as a nazi.


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    #262
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Kind of went off her when she assisted the family of that poor girl who tried to run away from them. She is a scumbag.

    Please commoners, no jet travel.. What's that? An oil billionaire needs me to fly in and do a hatchet job on the reputation of his captive daughter? Start those mother****in jet engines baby, I'll be there asap!


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    #263
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    He needs to resign. He just looks like a complete hyocritical muppet. He is also going to do a lot of damage in any upcoming election. Also once us maybe forgivable but three times. No.

    My guess would be that he's in more trouble for saying he only did it once, more than him having actually done it at all, as he comes across as if he was betting on them not finding out about the instances, rather than him having genuinely forgotten about them.


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    #264
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,012 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Kind of went off her when she assisted the family of that poor girl who tried to run away from them. She is a scumbag.




    She loves the notion of "people" as an idealised mass but has little time for the reality of that.


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    #265
    jaxxx
    Registered Users Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    Older man does something stupid when he was much much younger.. .. ..


    OH MY GOD, CONDEMN HIM TO DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    #266
    mvl
    Registered Users Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭mvl


    Sounds like the circus master, Papa Lazarou himself, is taking all of us as his wife.
    #LeagueOfGentlemen


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    #267
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    the culturally appropriated karma is delish!

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #268
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,012 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    jaxxx wrote: »
    Older man does something stupid when he was much much younger.. .. ..


    OH MY GOD, CONDEMN HIM TO DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Kill!
    Kill!
    Kill!


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    #269
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,012 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    silverharp wrote: »
    the culturally appropriated karma is delish!


    ..is it like a spice bag?


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    #270
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    “I appreciate you calling it makeup, but it was blackface.” - Justin Trudeau

    When a progressive has to let the media know they’re carrying a little too much water for him it is evident the media’s bias is pretty damn pathetic.

    I give Trudeau some credit for this.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #271
    pinkyeye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭pinkyeye


    HailSatan wrote: »
    Whats your own opinion on this?

    My own opinion is that it's not a problem but then I'm not black so I don't know what how someone who is feels about it.


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