Is it time to lift the beef pickets?

Muckit

Could we get a vote going on this mods?

I'll nail my colurs to the mast and say a reluctant Yes at this stage.

Fair play to all farm organisations, individual.farmers and members of the public that supported the protests and those that fought on our behaves at the beef talks to hammer out a deal.

I think the increases to QA are welcome but base price quotes should be higher and not dip below a sustainable level.

If a deal was struck, it should be honoured and followed through on by us farmers, and in turn by the factories on their end of the deal.

Just my thoughts on things at the moment.

MfMan

I would also reluctantly agree. Maybe the way forward for protesting farmers are guerilla campaigns, targeting certain outlets, (1 in particular!) or targeting certain times of the year, (I've always maintained May is the optimum time for protests, when grass is abundant and supply tight). Do it in blocks of a fortnight or so just to show we haven't gone away.

Bass Reeves

This vote is immaterial as it's the lads at the gate that will decide it one way or another. They have put too much effort to get to this stage. There is never a beam scheme for smaller lads and as we see there is too much red tape for to make it worth while. The processor's have to make the move and sort this it's not the lads at the gate that have to solve this. I see official body putting pressure on the processors

It was too hard to get to this stage to walk away now.

wrangler

Yes but not yet

Bass Reeves wrote: »

This vote is immaterial as it's the lads at the gate that will decide it one way or another. They have put too much effort to get to this stage. There is never a beam scheme for smaller lads and as we see there is too much red tape for to make it worth while. The processor's have to make the move and sort this it's not the lads at the gate that have to solve this. I see official body putting pressure on the processors

It was too hard to get to this stage to walk away now.

See the previous post to yours, That's what the processors would have to look forward to if they give in.
They can't afford that sort of messing, might as well close down now as then

Buford T. Justice XIX

Slane picket lifted.

https://twitter.com/franmcnulty/status/1174332760938491904?s=19

freedominacup

Yes but not yet

There's going to be an interesting meeting in my area tonight. Won't be voting until it's over.

Bullocks

Yes but not yet

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Slane picket lifted.

https://twitter.com/franmcnulty/status/1174332760938491904?s=19

Fran McNulty is earning his crust the last few weeks , he has covered more stories than George Lee did in the last few years

wrangler

Yes but not yet

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Slane picket lifted.

https://twitter.com/franmcnulty/status/1174332760938491904?s=19

Is hugh doyle from near there

Base price

Yes but not yet

wrangler wrote: »

Is hugh doyle from near there

Nearer to Dunboyne.

screamer

Winter is coming, time to accept what’s been put in the table for now, get through the winter and spring into action again next year if the factories go messing about. Much as I think the farmers are right, the timings all wrong.

jaymla627

Bullocks wrote: »

Fran McNulty is earning his crust the last few weeks , he has covered more stories than George Lee did in the last few years

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2019-09-18/one-quarter-of-worlds-pigs-killed-by-swine-fever/11524134

More interesting is the fact this isn’t really been discussed and the catalyst it could be for price rises, if the factory’s where any way pragmatic they’d give a token price rise their is the good probability they will make a solid fortune in 2020 into 2021

TL17

Reluct yes.
On heavy land here. Need them gone before weather turns

wrangler

Yes but not yet

Bullocks wrote: »

Fran McNulty is earning his crust the last few weeks , he has covered more stories than George Lee did in the last few years

He was alright, he just wanted his foot in the door of RTE, always gave agood report but you'd know his heart wasn't in Agriculture

freedominacup

Yes but not yet

jaymla627 wrote: »

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2019-09-18/one-quarter-of-worlds-pigs-killed-by-swine-fever/11524134

More interesting is the fact this isn’t really been discussed and the catalyst it could be for price rises, if the factory’s where any way pragmatic they’d give a token price rise their is the good probability they will make a solid fortune in 2020 into 2021

Meat factory bosses Christmas 2021.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DSYcDdjIXsY

bogman_bass

Yes but not yet

wrangler wrote: »

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Slane picket lifted.

https://twitter.com/franmcnulty/status/1174332760938491904?s=19

Is hugh doyle from near there

Other end of the county

wrangler

Yes but not yet

bogman_bass wrote: »

Other end of the county

I'm sure the risk to him played a big part in their decision.
I hope they'll drop the legal case now

Robson99

Yes but not yet

A very reluctant yes. Time to assess what was agreed last week, see it there are improvements, let brexit get sorted and above all RE ENERGISE and be ready for another battle next May ( before election) if all don't get there **** in order. Cattle will be scarce and no pressure with weather age etc

bogman_bass

Yes but not yet

The big feat if protesters don’t own this agreement then the whole thing will fizzle away and you might never get the troops going again.

wrangler

Yes but not yet

bogman_bass wrote: »

The big feat if protesters don’t own this agreement then the whole thing will fizzle away and you might never get the troops going again.

By not standing down the agreement was dead, I've been in negotiations where the offer only lasted till you left the room if you didn't agree. Agreement got 24hrs+ before legal proceedings started

dzer2

The agreement was dead in the room without a set base price. Even 3.40 plus the bonuses. MII and the factories have being spouting shoite for years. How long are they kill 30k a week which they can't sell. After 2 weeks of blockade they are out of beef. Supposedly we mature beef for 28 days so they should have 4 weeks of beef in stock. Not one cold store pictured with beef hanging in it.
Board bia are a joke.
The lads protesting might not be supplying to the factories but they are the lads that will take the ultimate kick in the bollix. Any one on here slagging them off are more than likely going to hand out the kick.j

wrangler

Yes but not yet

freedominacup wrote: »

There's going to be an interesting meeting in my area tonight. Won't be voting until it's over.

Was that the one on the news in Cahir where there was no vote and everyone walked away bar three or four, what happened there

freedominacup

Yes but not yet

freedominacup wrote: »

There's going to be an interesting meeting in my area tonight. Won't be voting until it's over.

Vote here slightly heavier in favour of removing pickets than the meeting I was at.

freedominacup

Yes but not yet

wrangler wrote: »

Was that the one on the news in Cahir where there was no vote and everyone walked away bar three or four, what happened there

No. But I heard the same thing about Cahir.

Panch18

Yes but not yet

freedominacup wrote: »

No. But I heard the same thing about Cahir.

There’s a lot of people wondering who exactly these 3 or 4 people are

Nobody around seems to know them, shipped in from somewhere it seems. Maybe linked to shiners or something

Good loser

Panch18 wrote: »

There’s a lot of people wondering who exactly these 3 or 4 people are

Nobody around seems to know them, shipped in from somewhere it seems. Maybe linked to shiners or something

That's outrageous if it's true. Sabotage even.

Muckit

No

Pickets seem to have ramped up.at Liffey Ballinasloe. Unreal crowd there this morning

Robson99

Yes but not yet

Muckit wrote: »

Pickets seem to have ramped up.at Liffey Ballinasloe. Unreal crowd there this morning

I don't think there is much point just picketing a few. If Slane and waterford are stepping down then it's only putting more divisions in among ourselves. The last legals against Hugh Doyle seem to have frightened a few for some reason.
3 factories closed in the West and if weather turns again next weekend I can see it getting nasty among farmers with the factories sitting back sniggering

Danzy

No

Panch18 wrote: »

There’s a lot of people wondering who exactly these 3 or 4 people are

Nobody around seems to know them, shipped in from somewhere it seems. Maybe linked to shiners or something

Lol

Danzy

No

Good loser wrote: »

That's outrageous if it's true. Sabotage even.

We all know it's not true though.

wrangler

Yes but not yet

Muckit wrote: »

Pickets seem to have ramped up.at Liffey Ballinasloe. Unreal crowd there this morning

I'd guess that all protests will have to stand down before legal oroceedings are withdrawn.
There was some sort of a wind up meeting in Ballinasloe yesterday,some farmers must have been caught in the euphoria.
The so called ''Vat scam'' was on the agenda

freedominacup

Yes but not yet

Danzy wrote: »

We all know it's not true though.

Honestly we all know f'all. Abp Waterford ramped back up full bore despite the vote. The like of the lunacy being propogated online has to be seen to be believed. Apparently negotiators who were in the room last weekend have been paid off to push the agreement. No point in having any votes. The whole thing has definitely jumped the shark.

Robson99

Yes but not yet

wrangler wrote: »

I'd guess that all protests will have to stand down before legal oroceedings are withdrawn.
There was some sort of a wind up meeting in Ballinasloe yesterday,some farmers must have been caught in the euphoria.
The so called ''Vat scam'' was on the agenda

Cannot see how Bsloe is getting such big numbers as it's a much smaller plant than athleague or ballyhaunis and no sheep killed there either.
Are there much protesters at BJD ?

mf240

freedominacup wrote: »

Honestly we all know f'all. Abp Waterford ramped back up full bore despite the vote. The like of the lunacy being propogated online has to be seen to be believed. Apparently negotiators who were in the room last weekend have been paid off to push the agreement. No point in having any votes. The whole thing has definitely jumped the shark.

Rumour Mill in full production on both sides.

freedominacup

Yes but not yet

mf240 wrote: »

Rumour Mill in full production on both sides.

How do you mean? I was there last night. I saw the online stuff this morning. What I am posting is not rumour. The guy who got the abp protest off the ground is a neighbour. The main reason I picketed was to support him when the injunctions came down. I was speaking to his son at the school this morning. F'off with rumours.

Robson99

Yes but not yet

freedominacup wrote: »

How do you mean? I was there last night. I saw the online stuff this morning. What I am posting is not rumour. The guy who got the abp protest off the ground is a neighbour. The main reason I picketed was to support him when the injunctions came down. I was speaking to his son at the school this morning. F'off with rumours.

What do you see happening Freedom ??
Will it take a guaranteed base price to end it ??
Going by the reports yesterday protest numbers were falling but this could be due to weather, ploughing, fear or exhaustion.
However it could also be PR bull**** put out to weaken the protests

freedominacup

Yes but not yet

Robson99 wrote: »

What do you see happening Freedom ??
Will it take a guaranteed base price to end it ??
Going by the reports yesterday protest numbers were falling but this could be due to weather, ploughing, fear or exhaustion.
However it could also be PR bull**** put out to weaken the protests

No way of knowing how it will pan out now. A good few lads who have done their share at gates won't be going back. They don't want to face down farmers bringing stock to the factories and don't want to be left swinging by fellas who talk a good fight in the dark. Another group are stepping up, I'm not sure how much they have done up to now. Time will tell how strong their resolve is.

mf240

freedominacup wrote: »

How do you mean? I was there last night. I saw the online stuff this morning. What I am posting is not rumour. The guy who got the abp protest off the ground is a neighbour. The main reason I picketed was to support him when the injunctions came down. I was speaking to his son at the school this morning. F'off with rumours.

I wasn't saying you were. I'm saying ive seen some very far fetched stories on line from some farmers and also some prosserors.

Panch18

Yes but not yet

freedominacup wrote: »

No way of knowing how it will pan out now. A good few lads who have done their share at gates won't be going back. They don't want to face down farmers bringing stock to the factories and don't want to be left swinging by fellas who talk a good fight in the dark. Another group are stepping up, I'm not sure how much they have done up to now. Time will tell how strong their resolve is.

Is this other group farmers?

Scoondal

No.
If the farmers had got the offer of last weekend 7 weeks ago, then maybe they would have said that they got a small concession. These guys have been out at the factories for 8 weeks. They should not accept peanuts from these highly profitable companies.
This has gone too far for the protesters to back down now.
I've been talking to the protesters at my local beef factory. They are very normal and polite people who wish to be treated with respect. Consumers should join the protests.

Base price

Yes but not yet

Robson99 wrote: »

Cannot see how Bsloe is getting such big numbers as it's a much smaller plant than athleague or ballyhaunis and no sheep killed there either.
Are there much protesters at BJD ?

I passed by about half and hour ago and there was 7 or 8.

freedominacup

Yes but not yet

Panch18 wrote: »

Is this other group farmers?

Yes and they aren't all newcomers to the picket by any means. Definitely some finishers amongst them.

Muckit

No

Base price wrote: »

I passed by about half and hour ago and there was 7 or 8.

You never saluted. You mustn't have seen me.... and about 10 others it seems!!

memorystick

I wouldn’t be surprised if factories were tripping up over themselves for cattle next summer. Prices are too low for too long. Things always change.

Robson99

Yes but not yet

Muckit wrote: »

You never saluted. You mustn't have seen me.... and about 10 others it seems!!

Think Base was on about BJD.
Wats the mood like in Bsloe Muckit ?? Are they in it for long haul ??

Muckit

No

Robson99 wrote: »

Think Base was on about BJD.
Wats the mood like in Bsloe Muckit ?? Are they in it for long haul ??

I was only joking. Not on the picket myself now. I feed it's time to stand down now for the moment...

Bass Reeves

Panch18 wrote: »

Is this other group farmers?

Yes these are the continuity farmer they are a follow on from the BP and the IFI farmer. There are now plans to set up the Real farmer as well to follow on from these and then the Provisional farmers followed by the Official farmers if Ireland.

There is a small cohort of finisher's that think they should have complete say over what farmers are entitled to do. This small cohort think nobody is entitled to protest. I have news for them this is not over yet. It may smoulder for a while but will burst into flames again from talking to lads.

The lads getting mart managers and other so called interested parties to put pressure on farmers need to realize it ain't over yet. Processor may have a window to make concessions but it will not take much for places to be blockaded again

Danzy

No

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Yes these are the continuity farmer they are a follow on from the BP and the IFI farmer. There are now plans to set up the Real farmer as well to follow on from these and then the Provisional farmers followed by the Official farmers if Ireland.

There is a small cohort of finisher's that think they should have complete say over what farmers are entitled to do. This small cohort think nobody is entitled to protest. I have news for them this is not over yet. It may smoulder for a while but will burst into flames again from talking to lads.

The lads getting mart managers and other so called interested parties to put pressure on farmers need to realize it ain't over yet. Processor may have a window to make concessions but it will not take much for places to be blockaded again

The bigger finishers think they are different to the guy with 50.

That is delusional.

If you shed holds hundreds at a time, you aren't big, your up next.

Anto_Meath

Yes but not yet

Its time to stand down for now and then next April / May when cattle are scares and factories are actively looking for cattle then is the time to stick them for a minimum base price for €3.90 / €4 a kilo. But farmers would need to be willing to do this no matter what price is been offered to farmers at the time.
It might remind the mad for grass lads in the spring to be realistic in what they are paying for stores. Seen one such boy selling his stores this week. All spring he was given €1,000 - €1,100 for year old fancy cattle just under 400 kgs. He was getting it had to get them into €1,150 €1,200 this week and them around 530 kgs.

Base price

Yes but not yet

Muckit wrote: »

You never saluted. You mustn't have seen me.... and about 10 others it seems!!

There was 4 or 5 men sitting in the tent thing and 3 standing outside.

Bass Reeves

Base price wrote: »

There was 4 or 5 men sitting in the tent thing and 3 standing outside.

Would be all you need to keep an eye on the.placre if all staff are laid off easy enough to to up with a local what apps group or even a few texts. 2 lads keeping a eyes on a place will keep it closed

Bass Reeves

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Its time to stand down for now and then next April / May when cattle are scares and factories are actively looking for cattle then is the time to stick them for a minimum base price for €3.90 / €4 a kilo. But farmers would need to be willing to do this no matter what price is been offered to farmers at the time.
It might remind the mad for grass lads in the spring to be realistic in what they are paying for stores. Seen one such boy selling his stores this week. All spring he was given €1,000 - €1,100 for year old fancy cattle just under 400 kgs. He was getting it had to get them into €1,150 €1,200 this week and them around 530 kgs.

Problem with this is the price is usually at or above this for May/June. Only tactic if you wait that long is to be prepared to picket any factory from then on if prices fall below 3.9/kg.