Beef strike II what's a fair base price for the Autumn for R=3= steers?

wrangler

foundation10 wrote: »

Was Monday stated as a cut off date in the terms of the deal as I don't recall reading it?

true and factories were entitled to keep going with legal proceedings until the protestors stood down

wrangler

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

You'll sleep soundly on that thought tonight.

They got 48hrs, I've been in negotiations where the offer lasted until you stood up from the table if you didn't sign off.
Banks do that

mf240

Will they hold base price now or drop it as a lesson.

I presume the extra few cents bonus will be taken off the base anyway

Water John

Michael Hoey of Country Crest, a man I have respect for, spoke well today on the issue to Agriland;
“It’s the base price that is the problem, and if the primary producer can’t get enough money to produce that product and to make a living from it, how can they continue to do it?” he asked.

He continued: “The meat industry is being very unfair. They need to understand that their living is coming from the primary producer out there. They need to understand the crisis that [the farmers] are in at the minute.”

This is worth reading from a business man who has a good record.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/i-would-appeal-to-the-meat-factories-just-go-and-fix-this/

Bullocks

mf240 wrote: »

Will they hold base price now or drop it as a lesson.  

I presume the extra few cents bonus will be taken off the base anyway

I wonder what price will be given tomorrow alright

Danzy

mf240 wrote: »

Will they hold base price now or drop it as a lesson.

I presume the extra few cents bonus will be taken off the base anyway

If they cut it, then the protests will see factories closed till Christmas.

PeadarCo

Castlekeeper wrote:

That's not the way it operates in the chicken business around here.

There is at least one chicken processor in Ireland that operates like that. Farmers farm the chickens but feed and the chickens are all provided and sold back at an agreed price. Chicken farmers are in n a different market to beef farmers. Apparently due to Irish tastes there aren't enough chicken farmers in Ireland to provide the all the chicken demanded in Ireland or at least the white meat part of the chicken(apparently Ireland has to import white meat from chickens but exports every other part due to different Irish and international tastes). From talking to a person working in a factory this gives chicken farmers far far more bargaining power than beef farmers. If a factory wants Irish chicken the options appear to be far more limited than the beef market.

freedominacup

wonski wrote: »

Immediate or something.

It was clear that blockades were to go to stop legal proceedings. You can't go another day or three and say we are now gone.

Yes you can but time really ticking down now. Tomorrow evening will see changes to the approach if pickets aren't seen to be stood down. According to one of the negotiators at a public meeting tonight.

Panch18

freedominacup wrote: »

Yes you can but time really ticking down now. Tomorrow evening will see changes to the approach if pickets aren't seen to be stood down. According to one of the negotiators at a public meeting tonight.

So what was discussed and what was agreed at your meeting freedom?

gozunda

whelan2 wrote: »

Knackery are back collecting today

One pased me at the top of the road today and the stench was eye watering.

freedominacup

Panch18 wrote: »

So what was discussed and what was agreed at your meeting freedom?

The proposed agreement and whether we (the protesters at that particular factory) should carry on with the blockade or not. It got heated at times.

whelan2

gozunda wrote: »

One pased me at the top of the road today and the stench was eye watering.

Ye they collected my calf on Tuesday evening. Smell from the lorry was gross

Castlekeeper

PeadarCo wrote: »

Castlekeeper wrote:

That's not the way it operates in the chicken business around here.

There is at least one chicken processor in Ireland that operates like that. Farmers farm the chickens but feed and the chickens are all provided and sold back at an agreed price. Chicken farmers are in n a different market to beef farmers. Apparently due to Irish tastes there aren't enough chicken farmers in Ireland to provide the all the chicken demanded in Ireland or at least the white meat part of the chicken(apparently Ireland has to import white meat from chickens but exports every other part due to different Irish and international tastes). From talking to a person working in a factory this gives chicken farmers far far more bargaining power than beef farmers. If a factory wants Irish chicken the options appear to be far more limited than the beef market.

Yeah a lot of the chicken feet are dumped on the West African market which causes it's own share of disruption there.

The growers around here pay for their own feed. In the old days it was sourced through the processors, by nowadays it's manufactured to a set recipe by independent millers. Who owns the chickens is a funny one given the closed market of hatcheries, the low value of day old, and the contract for the finished bird. There's no blue cards anyway.
Anyway, business aside, it's no model of farming to be aspiring to on the whole.

bogman_bass

freedominacup wrote: »

Panch18 wrote: »

So what was discussed and what was agreed at your meeting freedom?

The proposed agreement and whether we (the protesters at that particular factory) should carry on with the blockade or not. It got heated at times.

What was the conclusion?

Buford T. Justice XIX

bogman_bass wrote: »

What was the conclusion?

Waterford was stood down.

memorystick

The poll really shows how clueless and useless some farmers are when it comes to figures.

blue5000

memorystick wrote: »

The poll really shows how clueless and useless some farmers are when it comes to figures.

Might not be all farmers voting there. to see results you have to vote;).

Bass Reeves

memorystick wrote: »

The poll really shows how clueless and useless some farmers are when it comes to figures.

Lads would have voted as to what price would encourage them to stay in business. In 182-24 months time and you see store numbers back by up to half a million reflect on this.

From the journal today weanling prices are underpinned by exporters. 10+boats expected to go between now and Christmas. That 25-30k cattle. Add to that what will go on the ferry to Europe as much again? FR weanlings being exported at 1.3/kg and Irish store farmers unwilling to buy at that price. Next spring exporters will snap up FR and Continental calves and export them. JEX calves slaughtered wholesale Suckler farmers will reduce output next year as there BEEP scheme ends. Expect cattle numbers to drop significantly from next year on

Danzy

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Lads would have voted as to what price would encourage them to stay in business. In 182-24 months time and you see store numbers back by up to half a million reflect on this.

From the journal today weanling prices are underpinned by exporters. 10+boats expected to go between now and Christmas. That 25-30k cattle. Add to that what will go on the ferry to Europe as much again? FR weanlings being exported at 1.3/kg and Irish store farmers unwilling to buy at that price. Next spring exporters will snap up FR and Continental calves and export them. JEX calves slaughtered wholesale Suckler farmers will reduce output next year as there BEEP scheme ends. Expect cattle numbers to drop significantly from next year on

Last Suckler farmer I know has sold the cows this year, all dairy bred whiteheads and pollies now.

25 less fantastic Bullocks from one townland, replicated for miles around I'm sure.

In an area with cheaper dairy bred animals, hard to justify Suckler in my humble opinion.

Hard to see the output in kg not come under pressure nationally.

Long term there are significant threats to beef here, in Europe. That must be remembered as well.

mf240

blue5000 wrote: »

Might not be all farmers voting there. to see results you have to vote;).

I can see the results but haven't voted,

Never wrestle with pigs

memorystick

Lads are digging in deeper.

kk.man

Bass Reeves wrote: »

memorystick wrote: »

The poll really shows how clueless and useless some farmers are when it comes to figures.

Lads would have voted as to what price would encourage them to stay in business. In 182-24 months time and you see store numbers back by up to half a million reflect on this.

From the journal today weanling prices are underpinned by exporters. 10+boats expected to go between now and Christmas. That 25-30k cattle. Add to that what will go on the ferry to Europe as much again? FR weanlings being exported at 1.3/kg and Irish store farmers unwilling to buy at that price. Next spring exporters will snap up FR and Continental calves and export them. JEX calves slaughtered wholesale Suckler farmers will reduce output next year as there BEEP scheme ends. Expect cattle numbers to drop significantly from next year on

The main issue I'd have is when those sucker cows enter the cull market it will keep beef prices low. It might take a lot longer for a decent drop in the kill charts.

Sheep breeder

kk.man wrote: »

The main issue I'd have is when those sucker cows enter the cull market it will keep beef prices low. It might take a lot longer for a decent drop in the kill charts.

And what about the dairy cull and Jex screws when they enter the market.

boggerman1

Passing back tru rathdowney on way home from ploughing and 5 fools sitting around blocking the entrance.such brave guys and trying to be comedians too with a Christmas tree up and all.the silent majority need to break these lads now before they kill of the beef trade and where will they be then

memorystick

boggerman1 wrote: »

Passing back tru rathdowney on way home from ploughing and 5 fools sitting around blocking the entrance.such brave guys and trying to be comedians too with a Christmas tree up and all.the silent majority need to break these lads now before they kill of the beef trade and where will they be then

It's for the greater good and you know it. Lads sick to the hole of being rode by factories but maybe you enjoy it.

Danzy

boggerman1 wrote: »

Passing back tru rathdowney on way home from ploughing and 5 fools sitting around blocking the entrance.such brave guys and trying to be comedians too with a Christmas tree up and all.the silent majority need to break these lads now before they kill of the beef trade and where will they be then

The factories are reaping their harvest, the govt as well, the industry has been deeply corrupt for decades.

boggerman1

memorystick wrote: »

It's for the greater good and you know it. Lads sick to the hole of being rode by factories but maybe you enjoy it.

I don't enjoy it but they ain't going to get back up to 4€ @ kilo anytime soon.these lads hanging on now want to be martyrs for a cause and treated like heroes or so they believe.what went on in Cahir after the vote was a joke.to hell with the half dozen that didn't accept the vote to stand down

memorystick

boggerman1 wrote: »

I don't enjoy it but they ain't going to get back up to 4€ @ kilo anytime soon.these lads hanging on now want to be martyrs for a cause and treated like heroes or so they believe.what went on in Cahir after the vote was a joke.to hell with the half dozen that didn't accept the vote to stand down

They are right to hold out. These men are the 1916ers of farming.

freedominacup

memorystick wrote: »

They are right to hold out. These men are the 1916ers of farming.

What's the point in voting so?