Most evil dictator

antix80

Now that Mugabe is in the news, it got me thinking.. He wasn't the worst, was he?

You had Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and Genghis Kahn. I'm not even sure he was the worst living dictator seeing as Kim Jon Un is still alive. Moot point now.

So who is the most evil dictator - living or dead - and why?

Minime2.5

Bishop Len Brennan

El Weirdo

DeVore.

Infernal Racket

My missus

antix80

OSI wrote: »

Leopold II was a considerable dick. Didn't even do it out of some idealism or self idolisation, he just wanted money. "Didn't harvest enough rubber this week? Grand, I'll just chop of the hands and feet of your 5 year old as payment."

Sounds like the quality over quantity of the evil exhibited by some of the competition.

irishguitarlad

Franco, absolutely ruthless, Hitler had a meeting with him and said afterwards that he never wanted to speak with that lunatic again.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr.

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Franco, absolutely ruthless, Hitler had a meeting with him and said afterwards that he never wanted to speak with that lunatic again.

Absolute nonsense. Franco is not even close to being the worst.

jam_mac_jam

Mao or Stalin I think. Hitler is obviously up there.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

OSI wrote: »

Leopold II was a considerable dick. Didn't even do it out of some idealism or self idolisation, he just wanted money. "Didn't harvest enough rubber this week? Grand, I'll just chop of the hands and feet of your 5 year old as payment."

Pure evil that guy. Ground his statues into dust.

irishguitarlad

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Franco is not even close to being the worst.

Touch a nerve? Did a family member go over and fight for him? He obviously wasn't as bad as Hitler but he's definitely up there.

JohnnyFlash

Mao if you’re to go by the number of people who died because of his egotistical idea for how Chinese society should work. He also showed all the classic signs of being a psychopath, which you’d presume all dictators are.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Touch a nerve? Did a family member go over and fight for him? He obviously wasn't as bad as Hitler but he's definitely up there.

But you said he was the worst.

Fun fact - the major exit countries for Jews fleeing Europe was via fascist Spain and Salazar’s Portugal.

Dr Strange

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Salazar’s Portugal.

Wasn’t that the undead pirate hunter in the last Pirates of the Caribbean franchise?

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Dr Strange wrote: »

Wasn’t that the undead pirate hunter in the last Pirates of the Caribbean franchise?

That too.

Harry Palmr

Do we measure by gratuitous cruelty or sheer numbers?

As a % of the global population Kublai Khan is probably the winner.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr.

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Touch a nerve? Did a family member go over and fight for him? He obviously wasn't as bad as Hitler but he's definitely up there.

Um no. You are just incorrect. France and America were responsible for far more heinous crimes throughout the world during Franco's reign than Franco was.

Fun Fact: Franco was the only Western leader that Fidel Castro had any respect for, as he was the only one prepared to ignore the CIA blockade of Cuba.

SnazzyPig

Hitler; people shouldn't conflate failed policies with murderous policies.

Ipso

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

Um no. You are just incorrect. France and America were responsible for far more heinous crimes throughout the world during Franco's reign than Franco was.

Fun Fact: Franco was the only Western leader that Fidel Castro had any respect for, as he was the only one prepared to ignore the CIA blockade of Cuba.

Well, as long as Castro liked him. That's all that matters.

Infernal Racket

Pol pot

cj maxx

Fcuk even thinking about them makes me wonder how the fcuk did they do what they did. And get away with it for the most part

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »

Um no. You are just incorrect. France and America were responsible for far more heinous crimes throughout the world during Franco's reign than Franco was.

Fun Fact: Franco was the only Western leader that Fidel Castro had any respect for, as he was the only one prepared to ignore the CIA blockade of Cuba.

This is true. The democracies certainly have killed more people in the 20C than most dictatorships. Vietnam alone was about 3M.

TheValeyard

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. Three of the worst most brutal dictators of the modern age.

Harry Palmr

Gerry G wrote: »

Pol pot

Probably wins for killing the greatest % of a countries population from within.

jam_mac_jam

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Do we measure by gratuitous cruelty or sheer numbers?

As a % of the global population Kublai Khan is probably the winner.

Are you thinking of Genghis rather then Kublai?

beejee

Gerry G wrote: »

Pol pot

Your man off x-factor? Didn't hear a thing about this

Arghus

I'm going to have to go with the anti-hipster choice and say Hitler.

Ipso

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Probably wins for killing the greatest % of a countries population from within.

And the kunt still managed to die of old age!

jam_mac_jam

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

This is true. The democracies certainly have killed more people in the 20C than most dictatorships. Vietnam alone was about 3M.

No they didn't.


USSR, Hitler, China. How many people killed? Against democracies? Not a hope. Unless you are going to consider WW2 the democracies fault?

TheValeyard

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

This is true. The democracies certainly have killed more people in the 20C than most dictatorships. Vietnam alone was about 3M.

Think you will find the Chinese and Soviets also had a part to play. That said, America had no business in that country and did carry out many atrocities.

Fritzbox

TheValeyard wrote: »

That said, America had no business in that country and did carry out many atrocities.

True. Same could be said about Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s as well.

howamidifferent

Leo

Fritzbox

howamidifferent wrote: »

Leo

Leopold II? Already mentioned...

AudreyHepburn

Hard to pick just one because unfortunately there have been an awful lot of evil men in charge of countries but for me the worst apart from Mugabe himself are;

Pol Pot
Mao
Stalin
Hitler
Radovan Karadic
Gaddafi
Sadam Hussein

Cupp3r

Surprised Idi Amin wasn't mentioned.

KingNobit

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Do we measure by gratuitous cruelty or sheer numbers?

As a % of the global population Kublai Khan is probably the winner.

But then consider the way they governed too? Genghis was a nutjob who killed a whole town cause one man said something he didn't like but the governing structure was okay

Cupp3r

Also Kai shek maybe not spelled correctly

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

This is true. The democracies certainly have killed more people in the 20C than most dictatorships. Vietnam alone was about 3M.

This is totally false.

That includes killings by both sides, in a much longer period, and also a absolute high sided figure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll#List_of_genocides

Most of these were not democracies. For some reason they don't list Mao here

Ipso

Deleted User wrote: »

This is totally false.

That includes killings by both sides, in a much longer period, and also a absolute high sided figure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll#List_of_genocides

Most of these were not democracies. For some reason they don't list Mao here

Shur, it wasn't real communism.

mynamejeff

John Delaney ?

what an a hole

Mad_maxx

Pol pot, just for his devotion to demented levels of ideological purity.

Apart from the much documented stuff of killing academics ( wearing glasses was deemed a major subversive threat) and sending them to work in the collective farms,

He demanded the grass and plants be pulled up so as to complete year zero in its totality

Mad_maxx

When you compare population size, Mao would have needed to kill a hundred million in order to rival pol pot

griffin100

Emperor Hirohito. Oversaw the killings of tens of millions by the Japanese during their occupation of China and during WW2 in his name.

JohnnyFlash

A lot of people say Stalin, but he was a man who genuinely believed in what he was doing. He was a fanatic Marxist, who believed he was following the sacred texts of communism to a T.

Fritzbox

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A lot of people say Stalin, but he was a man who genuinely believed in what he was doing.

So did Hitler - I'm sure all the great despots believed in what they did?

Ipso

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A lot of people say Stalin, but he was a man who genuinely believed in what he was doing. He was a fanatic Marxist, who believed he was following the sacred texts of communism to a T.

Yeah, you have to consider his political opinions. Makes the deaths a bit easier to swallow.

Das Reich

From the XXI century I would say Bush and Obama, many wars created by them two.

Ipso

Das Reich wrote: »

From the XXI century I would say Bush and Obama, many wars created by them two.

Or the people who Saddam kept under control.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

No they didn't.


USSR, Hitler, China. How many people killed? Against democracies? Not a hope. Unless you are going to consider WW2 the democracies fault?

I said most dictatorships. But maybe not all. Juries out. Depends on how many people were killed by the US and British empires in total.

Fun fact, fascist Spain was probably less racist than the US in the post war period.

Fritzbox

Das Reich wrote: »

From the XXI century I would say Bush and Obama, many wars created by them two.

Which war did Obama start?

Speaking of starting wars, how about Vlad Putin?

AudreyHepburn

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A lot of people say Stalin, but he was a man who genuinely believed in what he was doing. He was a fanatic Marxist, who believed he was following the sacred texts of communism to a T.

I think all dictators believe what they are doing is right. That doesn’t mean the things they do are acceptable.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Fritzbox wrote: »

Which war did Obama start?

Speaking of starting wars, how about Vlad Putin?

Libya and Syria. Yemen.