Fear that I might have been fired from work due to reporting pain in leg

01-09-2019 01:28PM

beauf wrote: »

Which suggests the manual labour was always going to part of the job. Perhaps even the majority of the job.

How does it suggest that?

01-09-2019 01:30PM

beauf wrote: »

They changed the spec. Why do that unless it was required part of the job.

They said they'd change the spec (did they actually though?) so the OP would go away with the least bother.

beauf · 01-09-2019 01:32PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They said they'd change the spec (did they actually though?) so the OP would go away with the least bother.

We'll that worked didn't it... and yet here we are...

beauf · 01-09-2019 01:33PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How does it suggest that?

The op is unsuitable for further work because he was not able to do lifting. He didn't refuse to do it initially, he gave it a go.

01-09-2019 01:35PM

beauf wrote: »

We'll that worked didn't it... and yet here we are...

Writing on boards, my god the company's share price is going to tank, possibly the entire Iseq might crash.

Bear in mind the OP was wondering if the cheque he was going to get was going to come direct from his manager. I think he needs some maturing to do. I think the company is safe.

01-09-2019 01:36PM

beauf wrote: »

The op is unsuitable for further work because he was not able to do lifting. He didn't refuse to do it initially, he gave it a go.

He did, and didn't like it and tried to get out of it. That was successful.

beauf · 01-09-2019 01:38PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He didn't meet a doctor before or after the lifting, one's not required by the company.

The lifting doesn't seem particularly onerous and he had manual lifting training if I recall.

The lifting course, doesn't check if someone is able to for heavy lifting.

01-09-2019 01:41PM

beauf wrote: »

We'll that worked didn't it... and yet here we are...

i dont think the employer (if one existed) in this case is hugely bothered by the fact that the OP has started a thread on board to whip up the usual indignation amongst the TGWU amateur branch

beauf · 01-09-2019 01:41PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He did, and didn't like it and tried to get out of it. That was successful.

He got injured.

This selective memory must be very convenient.

01-09-2019 01:43PM

beauf wrote: »

The lifting course, doesn't check if someone is able to for heavy lifting.

First of all the lifting course does exactly that, if it's too heavy don't lift it.

However pallets aren't particularly heavy.

01-09-2019 01:44PM

beauf wrote: »

He got injured.

He better stay away from office work too, those paper cuts are a bitch.

01-09-2019 01:44PM

beauf wrote: »

He got injured.

This selective memory must be very convenient.

daniel sturridge is currently without a club, highly gifted professional footballer. his manager has publicly questioned whether he was as often injured as he claimed to be, or whether he needed to learn the difference between persevering through a certain level of discomfort and being injured.

dunno why it occurred to me but there it is

beauf · 01-09-2019 01:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

i dont think the employer (if one existed) in this case is hugely bothered by the fact that the OP has started a thread on board to whip up the usual indignation amongst the TGWU amateur branch

Very true.

But it would have been more professional to take him aside and say manual labour is a required part of the job, and let him decide if he wants to continue or not.

Lot of hassle to take someone on and let them go because you can't be bothered to do things properly.

Game of Thrones Fan · 01-09-2019 01:49PM

Dav010 wrote: »

I’m pretty sure we have all done jobs outside the description, sometimes it’s your ability to adapt and take on additional/unexpected tasks that can impress your employer.

Both the supervisor and the manager weren't aware of what this job even involved. She told me in passing a few days prior.

01-09-2019 01:49PM

beauf wrote: »

Very true.

But it would have been more professional to take him aside and say manual labour is a required part of the job, and let him decide if he wants to continue or not.

Lot of hassle to take someone on and let them go because you can't be bothered to do things properly.

Ah, jaysus, they were probably worried they'd have to 'take him aside' for every task.

Nothing from what the OP has said suggests the company has done anything wrong. They saw potential trouble and acted in the best interests of the company. Harsh, but a lesson should be learned.

01-09-2019 01:50PM

Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »

Both the supervisor and the manager weren't aware of what this job even involved. She told me in passing a few days prior.

Not great, but graduate jobs are generally... general.

01-09-2019 01:51PM

OP, What's the industry you were working in?

beauf · 01-09-2019 01:52PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

daniel sturridge is currently without a club, highly gifted professional footballer. his manager has publicly questioned whether he was as often injured as he claimed to be, or whether he needed to learn the difference between persevering through a certain level of discomfort and being injured.

dunno why it occurred to me but there it is

I didn't realise he was hoofing crates around in a warehouse.

If you are a builder you have to be careful not to get injured because if you do it could end your career. Likewise if I was hiring people to haul blocks all day I wouldn't hire someone with no experience of heavy manual labour. It would be a waste of everyone's time at the very least.

Holly13 · 01-09-2019 01:56PM

beauf wrote: »

... Many here seem to think you need a couple of years manual labour as experience in your CV.

You need to have some sort of experience of any kind in your CV if time is passing and you have never held a position for longer than a week.
OP should have stuck it out for at least 3 months while looking for other positions.
Any experience helps in interviews as you have something to talk about. e.g. “the job spec in my current role has changed, and while I value the experience I have gained, l am looking to be more challenged in work and utilize and develop skills/ abilities ....blah, blah, blah
If the OP does not learn from this and change his attitude, he is on the road to making himself unemployable.

01-09-2019 01:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

daniel sturridge is currently without a club, highly gifted professional footballer. his manager has publicly questioned whether he was as often injured as he claimed to be, or whether he needed to learn the difference between persevering through a certain level of discomfort and being injured.

dunno why it occurred to me but there it is

That's a terrible analogy, considering the rest of the team were carrying Sturridge :pac:;) I hope they got suitable manual lifting training.

beauf · 01-09-2019 02:02PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah, jaysus, they were probably worried they'd have to 'take him aside' for every task.

Nothing from what the OP has said suggests the company has done anything wrong. They saw potential trouble and acted in the best interests of the company. Harsh, but a lesson should be learned.

It was poorly handled. You seem ok with that.

I've never found doing things poorly that having a
selective memory makes for the most productive environment.

If they do this with trivial activity it's very likely to be cultural and habitual though an organisation.

beauf · 01-09-2019 02:06PM

Holly13 wrote: »

You need to have some sort of experience of any kind in your CV if time is passing and you have never held a position for longer than a week.
OP should have stuck it out for at least 3 months while looking for other positions.
Any experience helps in interviews as you have something to talk about. e.g. “the job spec in my current role has changed, and while I value the experience I have gained, l am looking to be more challenged in work and utilize and develop skills/ abilities ....blah, blah, blah
If the OP does not learn from this and change his attitude, he is on the road to making himself unemployable.

I don't disagree. Both the company and the op handled this poorly.

Game of Thrones Fan · 01-09-2019 02:07PM

Holly13 wrote: »

What manufacturing/pharmaceutical company advertises for a “scientist”?
The word scientist is old-fashioned and means nothing. Having a degree in Science does not make you a “scientist” in the same way having a degree in Business does not make you a “Businessman”

Yes, they didn't advertise it as 'scientist'. I didn't want to specify what it was.

01-09-2019 02:09PM

beauf wrote: »

If they do this with trivial activity it's very likely to be cultural and habitual though an organisation.

It's possible, but far from certain. The company could do 999/1000 right, but they don't cross all t's and dot all the i's with the wrong person and they end up on boards.ie.

If you think a company should detail every possible task an employee could be asked to do (and manual work may seem very obvious - which is why I asked the OP what industry they are in) then I don't think you're being reasonable.

beauf · 01-09-2019 02:10PM

Though having too much of other experience outside your core career path or role can be detrimental.

01-09-2019 02:12PM

Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »

Yes, they didn't advertise it as 'scientist'. I didn't want to specify what it was.

Hi GoTF,

I'd advise you to move on. I know it's galling that after waiting a year that you were left go when you thought you'd a genuine reason for not doing what you were asked.

However, a company needs to make 1'000's of decisions in a day, and unfortunately for you they decided to remove a risk.

Best of luck in your future career.

BTW, I'd not put a week's work on a CV.

01-09-2019 02:13PM

beauf wrote: »

Though having too much of other experience outside your core career path or role can be detrimental.

Doesn't apply to the OP, but yes, people can be overqualified for a role.

Game of Thrones Fan · 01-09-2019 02:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No, your manager is not paying this out of her own money. The cheque will have the name of the company on it. She will have the full backing of her company, possibly a positive review point for her.

I wouldn't be so sure. It could be just a bank draft!

beauf · 01-09-2019 02:22PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's possible, but far from certain. The company could do 999/1000 right, but they don't cross all t's and dot all the i's with the wrong person and they end up on boards.ie.

If you think a company should detail every possible task an employee could be asked to do (and manual work may seem very obvious - which is why I asked the OP what industry they are in) then I don't think you're being reasonable.

I think if you hire someone who has never done heavy lifting, to haul cement bags or coal, it's not going to work out for anyone. There is a skill to many as l labour same with driving a nail. Some people simply do not have the physical aptitude for it.

Some of the strongest toughest hardest working people I've met have at some point got injured. Not sure immediately firing them was to build a good working relationship.

You have to be smart about even doing something like hauling things around.

Holly13 · 01-09-2019 02:22PM

Game of Thrones Fan wrote: »

Yes, they didn't advertise it as 'scientist'. I didn't want to specify what it was.

I graduated from Science a good few years now. Starting out the jobs are always crap, you need experience. Also companies tend to have recruitment drives, ie if a new product is coming in, they will advertise a load of positions at once. Production may not be set up and ready to go. Maybe what happened in your case.
Everyone has to put up with situations they are not happy with starting out and during probationary periods. It’s just something you have to go through in order to move onwards and upwards

Fear that I might have been fired from work due to reporting pain in leg

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