All-Ireland SFC Final 2019.- Dublin V Kerry - Read Mod Note in Post #1

The_Honeybadger

Well folks. Thought I’d get the ball rolling as there doesn’t seem to be another thread.

I have to say I was not expecting Kerry to be here and understandably Dublin are overwhelming favourites. I think if the two sides faced off ten times Kerry might win 2-3. I hope personally that this will be one of those times.

I’d expect both sides will come to play football and it could be a high scoring affair. We know Dublin can play any way you want. Kerry’s best chance is probably a shootout a la 2013.

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Mahony0509

With Kerry's full back line I can't see anything other than a Dublin win to be honest.

ShamoBuc

Dublin will walk the final.

Sad to say, I cannot see anything less than a comfortable 8 or 9 point win.

jr86

The biggest challenge here is how are the pundits/media going to big this up as an apparent competitive game? Expect plenty of "Kerry are Kerry" "its destiny" "never write them off" "in their DNA" comments over the next few weeks!

But on planet earth (sorry Kerry!), Dublin by 8-10 - could well be worse though if they're in a particularly non-charitable mood. That backline against Mannion, Rock, KK and COC - yikes!

In fairness I do expect Kerry to put up the biggest score against Dublin this year. Maybe they'll be a bit more ready to challenge in a year or two and this experience should stand to them

JeffKenna

I actually feel a bit sorry for Kerry having to play this Dublin team.

C__MC

Dublin played extremely defensively on Saturday at times, bodies back in numbers. They will do the same in 3 weeks.

JFlah

Dublin are justifiably very strong favourites and yes Mannion ,KK ,COC , Howard and to a lesser extent from open play Rock are a terrifying proposition for any defence.

I do think however that the Kerry forward line is the first Dublin have faced in a long time capable of putting up a very high total, I don't think any defender from Dublin or otherwise will relish trying to cope with David Clifford, Sean O' Shea, Paul Geaney, Stephen O'Brien and the different threat Tommy Walsh will potentially pose.

As I said Dublin are justifiable favourites and should win but not a foregone conclusion.

blanch152

C__MC wrote: »

Dublin played extremely defensively on Saturday at times, bodies back in numbers. They will do the same in 3 weeks.

Those are the key words - at times.

Dublin's game management is brilliant, knowing when to put the pressure on, when to keep it up and when to drive it home. They also know when to take the sting out of the game.

Chalk McHugh

Bit early but i do like a prediction. Here's mine. Dublin 2-19 v Kerry 3-14. Gonna be some epic battle, no doubt about it lads.

RMAOK

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Dublin will walk the final.

Sad to say, I cannot see anything less than a comfortable 8 or 9 point win.

I agree 100% with your assessment.

The Kerry forwards will cause the Dublin backs some bother, but I can't see the Kerry backs holding the Dublin forwards.

C__MC

blanch152 wrote: »

Those are the key words - at times.

Dublin's game management is brilliant, knowing when to put the pressure on, when to keep it up and when to drive it home. They also know when to take the sting out of the game.

Actually thought myself they really put the heat on mayo before half time. Come second half, they had the legs on them and just blew them away

Mokuba

People codding themselves predicting this to be a contest. There's not a team in Ireland that can get anywhere near them. Cork gave them as good a rattle as anyone this season and they beat Cork by 13. Beat Mayo by 10.

Dublin by 11.

PressRun

I suppose you can never rule anything out on the day but I think Dublin will win it with a few to spare.

Chalk McHugh

Mokuba wrote: »

People codding themselves predicting this to be a contest.



Dublin by 11.

Pile your hard earned dough on Dublin -10 with the bookies. See how confident you are. Easy money hey? Nothing surer.

gormdubhgorm

I won't lie I am bit worried as a Dub supporter - OK the Kerry backline might not be the best.

But Jayus thier forward line... - O'Shea, O'Brien, Geaney - you would swear Clifford was playing minor again he looks so carefree.
If I was Peter Keane I would start Tommy Walsh he really knits it together for them - works like a dog.

Plus I think Peter Keane's interviews are gas - fair play to him.

gormdubhgorm

Mokuba wrote: »

People codding themselves predicting this to be a contest. There's not a team in Ireland that can get anywhere near them. Cork gave them as good a rattle as anyone this season and they beat Cork by 13. Beat Mayo by 10.

Dublin by 11.

Cork ran put of petrol though as they did in many of thier defeats this year v Kerry, Tyrone, Dublin etc

Chalk McHugh

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I won't lie I am bit worried as a Dub supporter - OK the Kerry backline might not be the best.

But Jayus thier forward line... - O'Shea, O'Brien, Geaney - you would swear Clifford was playing minor again he looks so carefree.
If I was Peter Keane I would start Tommy Walsh he really knits it together for them - works like a dog.


Plus I think Peter Keane's interviews are gas - fair play to him.

Savage forward line would cause any team big problems. Definately goals in that team and a few at vital stages and all bets are off. I can see Kerry score 3 goals. Dont know why but i feel our full back line are going to be severely tested and taken for a ride. Huge test. Make no mistake this is going to be incredibly difficult to win.

Mokuba

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Pile your hard earned dough on Dublin -10 with the bookies. See how confident you are. Easy money hey? Nothing surer.

Dublin margins of victory in 2018:

• 26 points (Louth)
• 15 points (Kildare)
• 16 points (Meath)
• 13 points (Cork)
• 18 points (Roscommon)
• 6 points (Dead rubber v Tyrone)

FYI, Paddy Power have Dublin -10 at 3/1. They have Kerry just to win the game at 9/2. Dublin -10 is considered more likely to happen than Kerry just winning at all.

Codding yourself if you expect this to be a contest. I'll happily back Dublin -10.

munsterlegend

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Cork ran put of petrol though as they did in many of thier defeats this year v Kerry, Tyrone, Dublin etc

Cork are no where near the required conditioning at the moment though things are improving with plenty of good talent to join the panel in the next few years.

Dublin haven’t played all that well in a few finals and last year were well behind to Tyrone before getting a couple of goals. There are bound to be some Dublin nerves but just can’t see that kerry backline/midfield doing enough.

Chalk McHugh

Mokuba wrote: »

Dublin margins of victory in 2018:

• 26 points (Louth)
• 15 points (Kildare)
• 16 points (Meath)
• 13 points (Cork)
• 18 points (Roscommon)
• 6 points (Dead rubber v Tyrone)

FYI, Paddy Power have Dublin -10 at 3/1. They have Kerry just to win the game at 9/2. Dublin -10 is considered more likely to happen than Kerry just winning at all.

Codding yourself if you expect this to be a contest. I'll happily back Dublin -10.

Fair enough. Will be a nerve racking bet if you do. Of course it is possible but i think it's going to be tight. Very tight.

manofwisdom

Dublin are scoring on average 28 points per game this summer and are now up against a Kerry defence that are conceding big scores all year and they have been lucky they didn't concede a lot more in games but that luck will likely run out against a free scoring and goal hungry Dublin outfit.

Hope i'm wrong as like every neutral i would like to see a close competitive final that will be in the balance until the final few minutes but I can't see past a one sided final and i think we are probably looking at 10 point margin at least. I predict Dublin 4-18 Kerry 2-14 and i'm generous with Kerry's score as i think the likes of Geaney,Clifford will put up a decent score when Dublin have eased off having the game already won.

Chalk McHugh

Mokuba wrote: »

Dublin margins of victory in 2018:

• 26 points (Louth)
• 15 points (Kildare)
• 16 points (Meath)
• 13 points (Cork)
• 18 points (Roscommon)
• 6 points (Dead rubber v Tyrone)

FYI, Paddy Power have Dublin -10 at 3/1. They have Kerry just to win the game at 9/2. Dublin -10 is considered more likely to happen than Kerry just winning at all.

Codding yourself if you expect this to be a contest. I'll happily back Dublin -10.

Wouldn't worry about any of those games. Kerry in an All Ire final is different gravy. Throw the 5 in a row into the mix and all bets are off. Funny things happen every once in a while. You should never totally dismiss life's unpredictability. I don't believe it is in any way a 'sure' thing. No chance.

gormdubhgorm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Savage forward line would cause any team big problems. Definately goals in that team and a few at vital stages and all bets are off. I can see Kerry score 3 goals. Dont know why but i feel our full back line are going to be severely tested and taken for a ride. Huge test. Make no mistake this is going to be incredibly difficult to win.

I think so as well because of who the team is and the history and them stopping history being made.
No team-talk needed for Kerry.

If Kerry are to win I think they will need 3 goals.
Well capable of getting them.

I hope the Dublin team still think of the final as 'game 8' it is a very clever way of doing it to take the pressure off.

Chalk McHugh

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think so as well because of who the team is and the history and them stopping history being made.
No team-talk needed for Kerry.

If Kerry are to win I think they will need 3 goals.
Well capable of getting them.

Without a doubt they are. Only an eejit would dismiss the Kingdom with a star studded forward line like that and the fact they will move heaven and earth to stop us doing the 5 in a row. They fully deserved to beat us in the league few months back. Bet us in league final few years back when the same doomsayers gave them no chance. Kerry will always have a chance in an All Ireland final. If Dublin are anyway off par it's goodnite Irene. We need to be operating at near to maximum level and then it should be good to carry the day.

Chalk McHugh

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Possibly, but i don't bother with all that coddswallop. Seems to get under some peoples skin. Water off a ducks back. . I don't waste my time on it. Negativity like that only brings a person down.

BonnieSituation

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Well folks. Thought I’d get the ball rolling as there doesn’t seem to be another thread.

I have to say I was not expecting Kerry to be here and understandably Dublin are overwhelming favourites. I think if the two sides faced off ten times Kerry might win 2-3. I hope personally that this will be one of those times.

I’d expect both sides will come to play football and it could be a high scoring affair. We know Dublin can play any way you want. Kerry’s best chance is probably a shootout a la 2013.

They would be massacred in a shoot-out, so hopefully.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

What gets me is if Dublin do lose all the talk of 'finances' etc will die suddenly - drowned out by the sound of laughter from 31 counties...
The gloaters will emerge from the woodwork - Kerry will be proclaimed as the saviours of football - a new era - a new dawn - the aristocrats of football.

It just doesn't bear thinking about.

Chalk McHugh

BonnieSituation wrote: »

They would be massacred in a shoot-out, so hopefully.



It just doesn't bear thinking about.

As important as it is, it's still just a game of football lads. After the initial few days of grief or euphoria we all just get back to our normal lives. Life goes on. The sun will rise. And we all look forward again to next year.

Calltocall

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Well folks. Thought I’d get the ball rolling as there doesn’t seem to be another thread.

I have to say I was not expecting Kerry to be here and understandably Dublin are overwhelming favourites. I think if the two sides faced off ten times Kerry might win 2-3. I hope personally that this will be one of those times.

I’d expect both sides will come to play football and it could be a high scoring affair. We know Dublin can play any way you want. Kerry’s best chance is probably a shootout a la 2013.

I honestly think with the way things are if Dublin played them ten times Dublin would win 9 if not 10.

BonnieSituation

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

As important as it is, it's still just a game of football lads. After the initial few days of grief or euphoria we all just get back to our normal lives. Life goes on. The sun will rise. And we all look forward again to next year.

No we don't. Myself, Stoner and Bonniedog roam the Streets like the Baseball Furies for days listening out for shouts of "Yerra" and "Star".

Chalk McHugh

BonnieSituation wrote: »

No we don't. Myself, Stoner and Bonniedog roam the Streets like the Baseball Furies for days listening out for shouts of "Yerra" and "Star".

Hahaha 'Warriors, come out to play!!!'

The_Honeybadger

Calltocall wrote: »

I honestly think with the way things are if Dublin played them ten times Dublin would win 9 if not 10.

I think the hysteria after the Mayo game has been OTT personally. They beat an ageing and injury ravaged team well. Most of us thought Dublin would win and that there was a good chance of a rout given the issues Mayo had. So it transpired. Kerry hammered mayo a few weeks before that, albeit they were probably in worse shape at the time.

I understand why everyone thinks Kerry can not win. It would be one of the greatest shocks in a final in many years. The beauty of sport is that anything can happen though. If Kerry can get a couple of goals who knows. I have been impressed with their conditioning this year and I don’t think they will wilt in the closing stages as many of Dublin’s opponents do.

The most likely outcome is a Dublin win of course, but Kerry might do better than a lot of people think

Seadin

I expect Kerry to get a lucky goal to beat Dublin and i expect Kerry to do something that no one expected and beat the Dubs who i think are beatable.

Dont know where all this confidence from some posters here saying it be a 10+ point win for Dublin. People thinking like that are in for a real reality check when Kerry come to croke park to stop a Dublin team going for a 5 in a row. Kerry are so dangerous when no body gives them hope. I bet you if Dublin win they will earn it thats for sure. It isnt a foregone conclusion. Dublin havent hammered any team in a final looking back the last few years.

Calltocall

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

I think the hysteria after the Mayo game has been OTT personally. They beat an ageing and injury ravaged team well. Most of us thought Dublin would win and that there was a good chance of a rout given the issues Mayo had. So it transpired. Kerry hammered mayo a few weeks before that, albeit they were probably in worse shape at the time.

I understand why everyone thinks Kerry can not win. It would be one of the greatest shocks in a final in many years. The beauty of sport is that anything can happen though. If Kerry can get a couple of goals who knows. I have been impressed with their conditioning this year and I don’t think they will wilt in the closing stages as many of Dublin’s opponents do.

The most likely outcome is a Dublin win of course, but Kerry might do better than a lot of people think

I hope it’s a close match for the sake of the game but these guys are imo unstoppable, they are like the all blacks in their prime, the second half against mayo was scary, I don’t think anybody will touch them for a good number of years because of the depth of talent they have compared to everyone else, I hope kerry put it up to them but can’t see it.

The_Honeybadger

Calltocall wrote: »

I hope it’s a close match for the sake of the game but these guys are imo unstoppable, they are like the all blacks in their prime, the second half against mayo was scary, I don’t think anybody will touch them for a good number of years because of the depth of talent they have compared to everyone else, I hope kerry put it up to them but can’t see it.

Mayo haven’t been great this year though, they really haven’t. I think people are confusing 2019 Mayo with the team that was such a force earlier in the decade. It was built up as a grudge match but we all knew it was a long shot for Mayo. They compounded the task by kicking wide after wide and putting Keegan our of position on Con which led to two pretty bad goals from a Mayo POV, game over. Like I said the praise Dublin received since for beating a team they absolutely should be beating convincingly has been nothing short of hysterical.

PressRun

Seadin wrote: »

I expect Kerry to get a lucky goal to beat Dublin and i expect Kerry to do something that no one expected and beat the Dubs who i think are beatable.

Dont know where all this confidence from some posters here saying it be a 10+ point win for Dublin. People thinking like that are in for a real reality check when Kerry come to croke park to stop a Dublin team going for a 5 in a row. Kerry are so dangerous when no body gives them hope. I beat you if Dublin win they will earn it thats for sure. It isnt a foregone conclusion. Dublin havent hammered any team in a final looking back the last few years.

Usually I'd agree, but I don't think that Dublin team are going to be caught unawares by anything or anyone hiding in the long grass as it were. The only way to beat them is to do something that they won't have prepared for and try to unsettle the system they have in place, but I think at this stage they're prepared for every possible scenario that could play out. It's very difficult to rattle them as they can play any way you like and the level of preparation done in the lead up to games is so thorough that really nothing is left to chance. Mayo used to get under their skin in the past by creating chaos and drawing them into a dogfight and physical battles where you nearly lost a sense of who was supposed to be marking who. It only works if you can sustain it for 70 minutes and make sure you keep the scoreboard ticking over on your own end. Kerry have the forwards to do that much, especially in one on one situations, but I don't if they will have the physicality to win all their individual battles all over the field over 70+ minutes and when Dublin run the bench.

I also think it's naive to think that Dublin won't have some plan to stifle the Kerry forward line. I think they will still get a decent score up as forwards of that quality will still get their scores, but I don't see them having the run of the place, while down the other end, I think Con and Mannion could potentially cause mayhem there for Morley & friends.

corny

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

I think the hysteria after the Mayo game has been OTT personally. They beat an ageing and injury ravaged team well. Most of us thought Dublin would win and that there was a good chance of a rout given the issues Mayo had. So it transpired. Kerry hammered mayo a few weeks before that, albeit they were probably in worse shape at the time.

I understand why everyone thinks Kerry can not win. It would be one of the greatest shocks in a final in many years. The beauty of sport is that anything can happen though. If Kerry can get a couple of goals who knows. I have been impressed with their conditioning this year and I don’t think they will wilt in the closing stages as many of Dublin’s opponents do.

The most likely outcome is a Dublin win of course, but Kerry might do better than a lot of people think

This is true. Watched it back now a couple of times and Mayo were awful when Dublin upped the ante. They were naive, panicked and their work rate was nowhere near good enough. Fenton (twice) and Niall Scully made simple runs from midfield and not one Mayo man chose to follow them. Keegans attempt at tackling O'Callaghan for the second goal betrayed the mindset too. It was as half hearted an effort as you'll see. Should be the end for that side if the manager has the conviction. Dublin were good but the superlatives are way OTT.

Having said that i'm not convinced Kerry will do much better. Tyrone had a uniquely simple gameplan....work it up to the 45 and then kick it in to Cathal. It was actually laughably one dimensional and still Kerry couldn't adapt to stop what was happening. They deployed sweepers who hadn't a clue what was going on. The walked around the place in the first half too which was baffling because the game could easily have drifted away from them. I'd be astonished if they turn that around and beat a well drilled, confident side in Dublin.

Reading the Dublin dominance thread is funny when you consider the state of the other counties. The Donegal team of 2012 would maul every team in the competition bar Dublin.

Strabanimal

Kerry will learn from the Tyrone first half and will beat Dublin. Mark my words.

BonnieSituation

Strabanimal wrote: »

Kerry will learn from the Tyrone first half and will beat Dublin. Mark my words.

They won't

gormdubhgorm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

They won't

Jayus, I wish I was as confident.

Fecking Clifford running around like he is on air, kicking points from mad angles with his Kingdom quiff

I suppose you just stop the ball getting to him.
No point in trying to stop him when he has the ball.
I think Howard could drop back and shadow him help out cooper when required.

BonnieSituation

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Jayus, I wish I was as confident.

Fecking Clifford running around like he is on air, kicking points from mad angles with his Kingdom quiff

I suppose you just stop the ball getting to him.
No point in trying to stop him when he has the ball.
I think Howard could drop back and shadow him help out cooper when required.

I'm not confident, I'm just being realistic and hateful.

pjohnson

I see its the usual again the diehard Dubs are hyping up Kerry while realists wonder if it'll be a 10+ point winning margin for Dublin again?

C__MC

It either be like the league final of 2016 where Dublin were to strong or 2017 were in it was a thriller and it went Kerry way

spurshero

This game will be over at half time . Mannion and con o Callaghan will have field day against them backs. It’s quiet simple ask yourself how many of that Kerry team gets on dubs team . I’m serious when I say there’s a fair few of them wouldn’t get on Dublin bench . The only people giving Kerry a chance are the cute dubs on here and Jim Gavin !! .

Utopia Parkway

corny wrote: »

Reading the Dublin dominance thread is funny when you consider the state of the other counties. The Donegal team of 2012 would maul every team in the competition bar Dublin.

Have my doubts about that. Donegal were so successful partly because nobody had a clue how to play against their system at the time. Everyone has played against a version of it multiples of times now.

Noveight

Dublin by 7.

A competitive first half and the gap will widen early in the 2nd.

gormdubhgorm

pjohnson wrote: »

I see its the usual again the diehard Dubs are hyping up Kerry while realists wonder if it'll be a 10+ point winning margin for Dublin again?

Kerry did beat Dublin in the league 2019
Drew with Dublin 2017 and beat Dublin in the final 2017

So it shows that Kerry could do it.
Plus logically the Kerry pups have matured a bit since then so they should be an even more dangerous outfit.

Utopia Parkway

I'm sure Kerry will put it up to them for a while (many teams actually do with Dublin for the first half at least) but they will be ground down eventually. I would expect the result to not be in doubt from 10 to 15 minutes out as I expect Dublin will plunder a few goals as the game opens up.

Kerrys big problem will be getting the ball into the Kerry Forwards. Its why they lost the league final, no service. They have to win midfield which i can't see happening against Dublin, it worked against Mayo in the championship because they had no fit starting midfielders.

The Kerry kickout will be pressurized with the high potential of goals from any miskicks. Moran as good as he is will be crowded and jostled in midfield.
For Dublin Cluxton kicks out so quickly and accurately there is almost always someone free, if not going long the lads in midfield will normally scoop it up.

Tommy Walshs athleticism will be very important to retain any ball in the forward line, but i think his aggressiveness and at times stupid tackling will not be allowed against Dublin in a final. I would not be surprised to see him pick up two yellows or a black. Also against Dublin i can't see Clifford getting some of the easy frees he has been getting against other opposition.

There will probably be 4 times more Dubs than Kerry supporters at the game, so massive pressure on the referee to give hometown decisions.

charlie14

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Have my doubts about that. Donegal were so successful partly because nobody had a clue how to play against their system at the time. Everyone has played against a version of it multiples of times now.

It wasn`t simply the defensive system Donegal played that beat Dublin in 2014. It was a weakness in Dublin`s on system that they identified and exploited.

Strabanimal

Kerry by 3

BPKS

Deleted User wrote: »

Kerrys big problem will be getting the ball into the Kerry Forwards. Its why they lost the league final, no service. They have to win midfield which i can't see happening against Dublin, it worked against Mayo in the championship because they had no fit starting midfielders.

The Kerry kickout will be pressurized with the high potential of goals from any miskicks. Moran as good as he is will be crowded and jostled in midfield.
For Dublin Cluxton kicks out so quickly and accurately there is almost always someone free, if not going long the lads in midfield will normally scoop it up.

Tommy Walshs athleticism will be very important to retain any ball in the forward line, but i think his aggressiveness and at times stupid tackling will not be allowed against Dublin in a final. I would not be surprised to see him pick up two yellows or a black. Also against Dublin i can't see Clifford getting some of the easy frees he has been getting against other opposition.

There will probably be 4 times more Dubs than Kerry supporters at the game, so massive pressure on the referee to give hometown decisions.

Maybe you could say Kerry didnt win the midfield in the league final because Kerry didnt have their first choice midfield available. Seen as that was the reason that Mayo lost the midfield battle in Killarney.:rolleyes: