The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Boom__Boom

ooter wrote: »

It would appear croke park is not Dublin's home ground, so the Dublin senior footballers have had even less home games than the 2 away games they've had in the championship since 2006.

And of course Croke Park is de jure a neutral venue, while also being de facto the place where Dublin footballers play all their home league and championship matches.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40139753.html

You do realise the meaning of the bit you quoted says the exact opposite of what you are saying. Basically is says that while technically Croke Park gets recognised as a neutral venue, the true reality is that given Dublin play all their home league and home championship games there it is in effect a home venue.

ArielAtom

thesultan wrote: »

The understanding is that the Dubs barely work and are funded by the sponsorship

There in lies your complete lack of knowledge. You have just stated that Dublin GAA players do not work and rely on sponsorship. I’ll leave you to your alternate life.

ShyMets

ArielAtom wrote: »

There in lies your complete lack of knowledge. You have just stated that Dublin GAA players do not work and rely on sponsorship. I’ll leave you to your alternate life.

Surely you know that Jack McCaffrey was just pretending to be a Doctor. AIG shelled out for a white coat and stethoscope to complete the look:)

ooter

Boom__Boom wrote: »

You do realise the meaning of the bit you quoted says the exact opposite of what you are saying. Basically is says that while technically Croke Park gets recognised as a neutral venue, the true reality is that given Dublin play all their home league and home championship games there it is in effect a home venue.

De jure means a state of affairs that is in accordance with law (i.e. that is officially sanctioned).
Surely that means croke park is a neutral venue?

mitchelsontour

Lads if you don't play outside your county bounds then you have a home venue.

ArielAtom

mitchelsontour wrote: »

Lads if you don't play outside your county bounds then you have a home venue.

Now, you know that is incorrect. If a team does not play in their home ground ie Parnell Park, they are by default playing in a neutral ground. An example of that would be Leinster Rugby playing in the Aviva, that would be a neutral ground as their home ground is the RDS. It really is that simple.

Boom__Boom

ooter wrote: »

De jure means a state of affairs that is in accordance with law (i.e. that is officially sanctioned).
Surely that means croke park is a neutral venue?

De facto means a state of affairs that is true in fact, but that is not officially sanctioned. In contrast, de jure means a state of affairs that is in accordance with law.

It's clear that the Rouse is saying that while Croke Park has been called a neutral venue for stuff like the Super 8 "neutral" round of games, the truth is that everyone recognises that it is a home venue for Dublin due to the fact that it's where they play their home league and home championship games. The author's intent is 100% the opposite of what you are saying.

The fact that the rest of the article you quoted goes on to discuss the subject of home advantage in sport is further evidence of where Rpuse is coming from.

There's also the fact that there are no rules/regulations about venues in the GAA rule-book beyond the fact a venue must meet the safety criteria.

Lost Ormond

ArielAtom wrote: »

Now, you know that is incorrect. If a team does not play in their home ground ie Parnell Park, they are by default playing in a neutral ground. An example of that would be Leinster Rugby playing in the Aviva, that would be a neutral ground as their home ground is the RDS. It really is that simple.

Leinster only occasionally play in the Aviva. Of their regular home games every season ie the 3 group games in Europe and 10/11 home in the league they play 2 of them in the Aviva.
Dublins footballers play zero games in Parnell Park. It hasnt been home ground for the footballers in years.

Boom__Boom

ArielAtom wrote: »

Now, you know that is incorrect. If a team does not play in their home ground ie Parnell Park, they are by default playing in a neutral ground. An example of that would be Leinster Rugby playing in the Aviva, that would be a neutral ground as their home ground is the RDS. It really is that simple.

If Croke Park is a neutral venue, how do Dublin manage to play all their home league and home championship games there?

If Kerry don't play in Austin Stack Park but play in Fitzgerald Stadium (which Kerry GAA don't actually own) are they by default playing in neutral venue? No they are not.

The reason I mention this is that there was a proposal put to Congress back in the 30s or 40s that Fitzgerald Stadium should be where the All-Ireland was played every year. By your logic you are saying that if that proposal had passed that you would regard Fitzgerald Stadium as a neutral venue. Get up the yard.

ArielAtom

Festive Life wrote: »

Leinster only occasionally play in the Aviva. Of their regular home games every season ie the 3 group games in Europe and 10/11 home in the league they play 2 of them in the Aviva.
Dublins footballers play zero games in Parnell Park. It hasnt been home ground for the footballers in years.

https://www.dublingaa.ie/

Scroll to the bottom of the page and look at the address for Dublin GAA. I'm pretty sure it does not say Croke Park.

Lost Ormond

ArielAtom wrote: »

https://www.dublingaa.ie/

Scroll to the bottom of the page and look at the address for Dublin GAA. I'm pretty sure it does not say Croke Park.

That doesnt mean the senior gaelic football team home ground is Parnell Park. They dont train there, they dont play there in the league or championship.
It isnt there home ground.

ArielAtom

Festive Life wrote: »

That doesnt mean the senior gaelic football team home ground is Parnell Park. They dont train there, they dont play there in the league or championship.
It isnt there home ground.

They do, it's Parnell Park.

ooter

mitchelsontour wrote: »

Lads if you don't play outside your county bounds then you have a home venue.

Apparently if Dublin play outside Dublin in an "away" game it's not an away game if it's in a neutral venue, surely if Dublin play a "home" game in a neutral venue it's not a home game?

Enquiring

The same myths that have been busted are getting an airing again I see. Let's go through them.

EICVD wrote: »

A first all Ireland appearance in 20 years or so & you wouldn’t go because you know you’d lose, if that’s not a defeatist attitude! What happened to the Meath don’t fear the Dubs times, looks like we’ve strangled the competitiveness out of ye, not that I’m complaining

The same as in women's football. They don't even play the Leinster championship anymore. How come both Dublin men's and women's senior footballers managed to make such a change to their fortunes right after receiving millions of euros?

ArielAtom wrote: »

The work like every other team. They train. Its up to every team to be at an appropriate level of fitness. That is achievable by everyone. People really ned to stop making excuses regarding a teams preparation and attempting to equate that to funding. For the 500th time, the funding is GDO/GPO funding, targeted at schoolchildren from 5-12 years of age, that is a fact. Some posters like to use the term busted, their arguments were busted long ago, but the have what is referred in horse racing terms as staying power. There needs to be a review of structures, finance was dealt with regarding the above back in 2017. Sponsorship is a difficult one, not sure any county that works hard to get sponsorship will be willing to share, ask Cork or Kerry would they pool sponsorship. The hope of a split is just that, a hope to hang onto. There are some really genuine GAA people on here that have a vested inters in developing the structures and their are the posters that have no other interest but stopping Dublin.

You even busted your own myth about the funding being for primary school kids. You linked to an actual development officer who stated that they didn't only work in primary schools but they worked in secondary schools also but most importantly in the clubs they're hired to work in. Why do you keep saying the money is for primary school kids when you know for a fact that it isn't?

Then we have the Croke Park isn't Dublin's home ground myth. It is the Dublin senior footballers home ground. When's the last time they played a championship game in Parnell Park? They played every single championship game there from 2006-2016.

Strumms wrote: »

So should Dublin play at Parnell park maybe.....capacity 13,500 vs 80,000. When opposition fans get all excited about that, they sure won’t be excited when they try get a ticket, and can’t.

Dublin should build their own 60 thousand plus home ground ? Who pays for it ? You’d have the same dribblers then complaining if the Dubs were given funding to do that... so damned if they do, damned if the don’t... ultimately too...That would mean about 7 or 8 games tops in Croker a year, a proper white elephant.

Dublin have only played 2 away games in the championship since 2006 and 4 other games in neutral venues. For all these 6 matches, Dublin have brought around 10,000 supporters or less. When Dublin footballers aren't playing in their home ground of Croke Park, they don't attend in big numbers.

ooter

2004 was the last time the Dublin senior footballers played at home in the championship.

Strumms

Enquiring wrote: »

The same myths that have been busted are getting an airing again I see. Let's go through them.



The same as in women's football. They don't even play the Leinster championship anymore. How come both Dublin men's and women's senior footballers managed to make such a change to their fortunes right after receiving millions of euros?



You even busted your own myth about the funding being for primary school kids. You linked to an actual development officer who stated that they didn't only work in primary schools but they worked in secondary schools also but most importantly in the clubs they're hired to work in. Why do you keep saying the money is for primary school kids when you know for a fact that it isn't?

Then we have the Croke Park isn't Dublin's home ground myth. It is the Dublin senior footballers home ground. When's the last time they played a championship game in Parnell Park? They played every single championship game there from 2006-2016.



Dublin have only played 2 away games in the championship since 2006 and 4 other games in neutral venues. For all these 6 matches, Dublin have brought around 10,000 supporters or less. When Dublin footballers aren't playing in their home groundd of Croke Park, they don't attend in big numbers.

Brought 10000 or less.. yes, simply because they didn’t have any more of an allocation or the ability to procure more...

ArielAtom

Festive Life wrote: »

That doesnt mean the senior gaelic football team home ground is Parnell Park. They dont train there, they dont play there in the league or championship.
It isnt there home ground.

It is the home of Dublin GAA, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but thems be the facts.

flasher0030

ArielAtom wrote: »

It is the home of Dublin GAA, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but thems be the facts.

Ariel. Please don't. You're embarrassing yourself now.
It doesn't matter what is written on the bottom of a page, or what is on a website. Everybody knows Croke Park is the ground that Dublin plays half of it's league games in and all of it's Championship matches in (bar the few when Super 8s was briefly in play). The topic of the thread is the dominance of Dublin GAA team. The fact that they play their matches in Croke Park has been raised as a factor in that dominance. Whether Parnell Park or Croke Park is quoted at the bottom of a website has zero relevance. There is no point in shouting like an excited schoolboy who thinks they have come up with some technicality to muddy the waters.

Enquiring

Strumms wrote: »

Brought 10000 or less.. yes, simply because they didn’t have any more of an allocation or the ability to procure more...

To their only away matches in 14 years. There was nothing stopping more attending their neutral games. 10,000 is pretty pathetic given the population of Dublin.

ArielAtom

flasher0030 wrote: »

Ariel. Please don't. You're embarrassing yourself now.
It doesn't matter what is written on the bottom of a page, or what is on a website. Everybody knows Croke Park is the ground that Dublin plays half of it's league games in and all of it's Championship matches in (bar the few when Super 8s was briefly in play). The topic of the thread is the dominance of Dublin GAA team. The fact that they play their matches in Croke Park has been raised as a factor in that dominance. Whether Parnell Park or Croke Park is quoted at the bottom of a website has zero relevance. There is no point in shouting like an excited schoolboy who thinks they have come up with some technicality to muddy the waters.

Sorry to bust your bubble buddy, but the facts state that the home of Dublin GAA is Parnell Park.

flasher0030

ArielAtom wrote: »

Sorry to bust your bubble buddy, but the facts state that the home of Dublin GAA is Parnell Park.

Wow. You can lay it out on a plate for people, but some folks just can't grasp it.

StupidLikeAFox

ArielAtom wrote: »

Sorry to bust your bubble buddy, but the facts state that the home of Dublin GAA is Parnell Park.

The home ground is officially parnell park but they have all the benefits of home advantage from playing in croke park.

Here is a Wikipedia entry in case this is an alien concept to you:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_advantage

ArielAtom

flasher0030 wrote: »

Wow. You can lay it out on a plate for people, but some folks just can't grasp it.

Totally agree with you, glad you’ve seen the light.

JeffKenna

ArielAtom wrote: »

Sorry to bust your bubble buddy, but the facts state that the home of Dublin GAA is Parnell Park.

How many league and championship games have Dublin played at home in the last ten years? 2 or 3 maybe? I don't think any team in sporting history have overcome those kind of odds, really adds to their success.

mitchelsontour

ooter wrote: »

Apparently if Dublin play outside Dublin in an "away" game it's not an away game if it's in a neutral venue, surely if Dublin play a "home" game in a neutral venue it's not a home game?

Home game is played within county bounds - does not matter what stadium.

Away game played in the opponents county.

Neutral game played outside of both participating counties county bounds.

ArielAtom

JeffKenna wrote: »

How many league and championship games have Dublin played at home in the last ten years? 2 or 3 maybe? I don't think any team in sporting history have overcome those kind of odds, really adds to their success.

If you count the hurlers it’s a few. But the footballers have played the majority at neutral venues. So I guess you are correct it adds to their achievements.

Lost Ormond

ArielAtom wrote: »

If you count the hurlers it’s a few. But the footballers have played the majority at neutral venues. So I guess you are correct it adds to their achievements.

When all your home league games have all been played In Croke Park since 2011 its clear its your home ground

Enquiring

mitchelsontour wrote: »

Home game is played within county bounds - does not matter what stadium.

Away game played in the opponents county.

Neutral game played outside of both participating counties county bounds.

It really is as simple as that. I don't get where the confusion lies.

It's like the argument that millions of euros received above everyone else is not an advantage and hasn't had an impact on the complete transformation of Dublin GAA.

I don't get it. Are we supposed to play along with this? It would be funny only that this nonsense is repeated in real life. The Dublin county board chairman has actually come out with statements like this, we've seen it with former Dublin managers and players. They can't actually believe it, can they?

ArielAtom

Festive Life wrote: »

When all your home league games have all been played In Croke Park since 2011 its clear its your home ground

No, facts are that Parnell Park is Dublin GAAs home.

Lost Ormond

ArielAtom wrote: »

No, facts are that Parnell Park is Dublin GAAs home.

Its not the senior county football teams though which is the point people have been making. when you never play there and its not your home ground