BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day Part 6

theoneeyedman

kalkat2002 wrote: »

2009 Ford focus 1.4 petrol
1950 eur

http://www.adverts.ie/22570216

That's a straight car, or at least it was up until a year or so ago. It's not powerful, but is a decent starter model, is easy insured in particular.

I know the lad that had it until 12 months ago, it was straight when he sold it, had no crash damage and has been looked after well.

Nothing too exciting, nothing too powerful, but that particular one isn't a sh1te box anyway (or wasn't when he sold it).

colm_mcm

Sam Russell wrote: »

My tax renewal arrived yesterday - up from €570 to €600.

Checked the Gov.ie website and Motortax is quoted at €570. Every official website and not so official sites say €570. Now I do not recall any rise from the budget, so it must be Brexit or Covid.

Anyway, after much searching, it is the carbon tax loaded onto the higher CO2 rates - so €570 goes to €600. [Edit: Band D rate.]

Motortax.ie has the correct rates.

job seeker

theoneeyedman wrote: »

.... but that particular one isn't a sh1te box anyway (or wasn't when he sold it).

I was gonna mention that too! Generally, it may indicate that it was driven hard. Could well be a boy racer of sorts. Given that the exhaust is the only mod on the car.

carzony

Did that shape Focus always come with the 1.4 petrol engine? I'd say the majority were the 1.6 diesel. I didn't even know they sold that shape with a 1.4 petrol

colm_mcm

Up until mid 2008 it was the default engine for them.
They still had a good few sitting unsold at that stage, and would have done deals on them.

Rather than develop more economical petrols, Ford just stopped selling petrol in anything Focus sized or bigger for a few years.

Rows Grower

Sam Russell wrote: »

My tax renewal arrived yesterday - up from €570 to €600.

Checked the Gov.ie website and Motortax is quoted at €570. Every official website and not so official sites say €570. Now I do not recall any rise from the budget, so it must be Brexit or Covid.

Anyway, after much searching, it is the carbon tax loaded onto the higher CO2 rates - so €570 goes to €600. [Edit: Band D rate.]

In all fairness it's about an extra 50 cents a week, sell the car if it's too expensive to keep.

Sam Russell

colm_mcm wrote: »

Motortax.ie has the correct rates.

That is where my research took me.

I cannot understand why all the other gov.ie sites have the wrong values. Also SIMI site is wrong.

In fact, the only site that has the right values is motortax.ie which I suppose should not be a surprise that the one collecting it has it correct.

Sam Russell

Rows Grower wrote: »

In all fairness it's about an extra 50 cents a week, sell the car if it's too expensive to keep.

I am not complaining about the increase - just it was not flagged in the budget (afair) and the Dept of Transport has the wrong value, as does a search of Gov.ie.

It is gross incompetence.

CoBo55

Sam Russell wrote: »

That is where my research took me.

I cannot understand why all the other gov.ie sites have the wrong values. Also SIMI site is wrong.

In fact, the only site that has the right values is motortax.ie which I suppose should not be a surprise that the one collecting it has it correct.

The rates applicable from 1/1/2021 are here https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/41c9cc-motor-tax-rates/ The government site.

This site https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/motor_tax_and_insurance/motor_tax_rates.html
contains a link to the government site.
I don't see any gross incompetence.

theoneeyedman

kalkat2002 wrote: »

2009 Ford focus 1.4 petrol
1950 eur

http://www.adverts.ie/22570216

Just on this, as I did before I'd familiar with the car, up until about a year ago. I see now though, that it was advertised on Facebook and sold over the Xmas by the previous owner, and is now being sold again from Cavan. Sounds like a lad doing a bit of dealing, trying to turn a fast buck.

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-a170-elegance/26927257





Nice looking A170 with NCT til September and a bit of tax, €1650

Interesting little well spec'd city car. I would

colm_mcm

One for you Duke

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2009-perodua-myvi-1-3-petrol-28065miles/26592137

Bit shy on test though but an interesting oddity nonetheless.

Duke O Smiley

Interesting little yoke. It's been here since new. Were they officially sold here?

Duke O Smiley

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-a170-elegance/26927257





Nice looking A170 with NCT til September and a bit of tax, €1650

Interesting little well spec'd city car. I would

Does anyone think hatchbacks looks nice? Pretty much the first thing that puts me off buying a car

colm_mcm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Interesting little yoke. It's been here since new. Were they officially sold here?

Central Garage in Clonmel was the distributor and sold them, and Dan Dempseys in Kinsale sold them too

Well, I say sold, they shifted about 20 a year.

Edit, Google is saying Colin Hunt in Santry sold them too, and Carland too. Now Ssangyong dealers.

More here
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/small-malaysian-car-for-irish-sale-1.1158734

crasy dash

Small garage near me Dollerys in Bruree Co.Limerick
Had them as well still see one or two floating around .

Duke O Smiley

colm_mcm wrote: »

Central Garage in Clonmel was the distributor and sold them, and Dan Dempseys in Kinsale sold them too

Well, I say sold, they shifted about 20 a year.

Edit, Google is saying Colin Hunt in Santry sold them too, and Carland too. Now Ssangyong dealers.

More here
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/small-malaysian-car-for-irish-sale-1.1158734

You have to hand it to the lads at Carland - they’re doing something right! Perodua, Ssangyong, Maxus, VDL etc. And they’re still going.

colm_mcm

It would certainly make a salesman of you.

johndaman66

Deleted User wrote: »

Does anyone think hatchbacks looks nice? Pretty much the first thing that puts me off buying a car

The traditionalists will likely say saloon. Depending on the specific model hatchbacks can often look more modern. Hatchbacks are as a rule more practical. My old Corolla hatchback or Auris would swallow up a washing machine with the rears seats folded - that wouldn't be happening with my current Avensis.

Speaking of Corolla's
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-1-4-vvti-nct/26869595
2005 1.4 petrol 5 dr;
127k miles;
NCT 08/21;
Asking €999

If I could get insured on that I'd be jumping on it.

johndaman66

crasy dash wrote: »

Small garage near me Dollerys in Bruree Co.Limerick
Had them as well still see one or two floating around .

Used to pass there twice daily up to just over a year ago. He tends to have some older quaint stuff on the forecourt. He had an old red Proton saloon for a good spell which seemed to take pride of place with him.

pockets3d

Deleted User wrote: »

If I could get insured on that I'd be jumping on it.

Sad days when you can't get insured on a <100 bhp modernish corolla.

Sam Russell

CoBo55 wrote: »

The rates applicable from 1/1/2021 are here https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/41c9cc-motor-tax-rates/ The government site.

This site https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/motor_tax_and_insurance/motor_tax_rates.html
contains a link to the government site.
I don't see any gross incompetence.

From the Gov.ie site:

1. Motor Tax Rates 2021

Vehicles registered after July 1, 2008
Band CO2 emissions g/km Annual payment (€) Half-year payment (€) Quarterly payment (€) Monthly (€)
A0 0 120 66 33 12
A1 1-80g 170 94 48 17
A2 81-100g 180 99 50 18
A3 101-110g 190 105 53 19
A4 111-120g 200 111 56 20
B1 121-130g 270 149 76 27
B2 131- 140g 280 155 79 28
C 141-155g 390 216 110 39
D 156-170g 570 316 161 57
E 171-190g 750 416 211 75
F 191- 225g 1200 666 339 120
G more than 225g 2350 1304 663 235

D is actually €600. I have not checked all the others, as it would not affect me.
So the gov.ie site is incorrect.

I went from your link. Perhaps you might check it yourself and see if it is incompetent or not.

gussieg

just an aside , have a lovely 02 suzuki wagon r that i was finding hard to insure, and just today got a quote from 123.ie for 346 third party. wont be going far but just the best ive been offered and last time i checked they wouldnt even entertain it.

WestWicklow1

Sam Russell wrote: »

From the Gov.ie site:



D is actually €600. I have not checked all the others, as it would not affect me.
So the gov.ie site is incorrect.

I went from your link. Perhaps you might check it yourself and see if it is incompetent or not.

It's incompetence. C is also wrong. It's now €400.

CoBo55

Sam Russell wrote: »

From the Gov.ie site:



D is actually €600. I have not checked all the others, as it would not affect me.
So the gov.ie site is incorrect.

I went from your link. Perhaps you might check it yourself and see if it is incompetent or not.

Just scroll down to where it says rates from January 2021 that's a link to the now present rates, I thought you'd see that, that link has been there since last year, I used it to see if my tax was changing, luckily it didn't. I'm in the 111 to 120 category €200.
Edit : Here's what you see if you click the link, https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/90909/c1c067a4-052b-406a-86dd-33a6830f90ad.pdf#page=null
The rates applicable from 1/1/21.

CoBo55

WestWicklow1 wrote: »

It's incompetence. C is also wrong. It's now €400.

Just click the link you scrolled past, here, https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/90909/c1c067a4-052b-406a-86dd-33a6830f90ad.pdf#page=null I've done it for you.

WestWicklow1

CoBo55 wrote: »

Just click the link you scrolled past, here, https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/90909/c1c067a4-052b-406a-86dd-33a6830f90ad.pdf#page=null I've done it for you.

Yes, I saw that.

This is incompetence...

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/41c9cc-motor-tax-rates/#motor-tax-rates-2021

Old rates showing as of 16:00 on 09/01/2021.

johndaman66

Have to agree. Not having the rates updated on the webpage and having the updated rates on the pdf linked in smacks of incompetence.

CoBo55

Smacks of stupidity to me... How hard is it to click on a link?
Anyway I found out last November that my terrible planet destroying diesel has remained unchanged in regards to road tax, happy enough with that. ( I clicked the link, Lara Croft showed me where it was)