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Ireland's Jewish community

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Is the Jewish community in Ireland growing? With the influx of IT firms into Ireland you’d presume there’s a growing amount of people with a Jewish background from across Europe moving here to work for the likes of Google and LinkedIn.

    I’m being slightly selfish in hoping a joint opens up serving proper pastrami sandwiches. The type of place where they make you put your own cheese in the sandwich if you’ve ordered a Reuben.


  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭ScottCapper


    Das Reich wrote: »
    Most beautiful women are in Ireland. Find very strange when an Irish man talks about other nationalities as being more beautiful, maybe they are just used to see the same faces.

    You have to be joking.. irish women are dogs


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,356 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    You have to be joking.. irish women are dogs

    Were you not locked up during the week ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭1641


    Tony EH wrote: »
    In fairness, you never met the man.
    Creepy joke.


    I truly apologise. I never met the SS man -but obviously he "came clean" when he looked in Tony's eyes. He knew now was the time for the truth and nothing but the truth. No need for electrodes!:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Is the Jewish community in Ireland growing? With the influx of IT firms into Ireland you’d presume there’s a growing amount of people with a Jewish background from across Europe moving here to work for the likes of Google and LinkedIn.

    I’m being slightly selfish in hoping a joint opens up serving proper pastrami sandwiches. The type of place where they make you put your own cheese in the sandwich if you’ve ordered a Reuben.


    It is that's mostly why. A lot of Israelis too. A lot of them are more secular though.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭ScottCapper


    Were you not locked up during the week ?

    fake news


  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭ScottCapper


    israeli women are ****ing hot


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    israeli women are ****ing hot

    So are the men ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,292 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    israeli women are ****ing hot

    Natalie Portman and Gal Gadot spring to mind


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    branie2 wrote: »
    Natalie Portman and Gal Gadot spring to mind
    Bar Refaeli Yuval Sharf Rotem Sela Noa Tishby ;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    Don’t know if this was mentioned already but in 1555 William Annyas became the Mayor of Youghal becoming the first Jew to hold an elected position here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Annyas


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Don’t know if this was mentioned already but in 1555 William Annyas became the Mayor of Youghal becoming the first Jew to hold an elected position here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Annyas

    A lot of people don't believe me when i say there have been jews in Ireland since the 1200s ..Americans are shocked!


  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭ScottCapper


    look at the israeli fitness women on instagram no need of pornhub there divine species


  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭ScottCapper


    So are the men ;)

    im not gay


  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭ScottCapper


    Is the Jewish community in Ireland growing? With the influx of IT firms into Ireland you’d presume there’s a growing amount of people with a Jewish background from across Europe moving here to work for the likes of Google and LinkedIn.

    I’m being slightly selfish in hoping a joint opens up serving proper pastrami sandwiches. The type of place where they make you put your own cheese in the sandwich if you’ve ordered a Reuben.

    gotta make sure the meat is 20 feet away from the cheese


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Don’t know if this was mentioned already but in 1555 William Annyas became the Mayor of Youghal becoming the first Jew to hold an elected position here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Annyas
    And IIRC one of the first of any Jewish person to hold such a level of elected authority within wider Europe.

    Like any diaspora you tend to see patterns of roles they take up depending on the society they find themselves in. In the case of the Jewish Irish politics seems to have been their forte and clearly for quite a while, all the way back to the Cork langer Liam. :D

    A lesser known factoid about Daniel O'Connell is that as well as seeking Catholic rights, also fought for Jewish rights within the British sphere of influence at the time. And he was among those who repealed laws concerning Jews(including wearing a yellow item of clothing to mark them out. The nazis didn't lick that stuff off a stone. It was called the Final Solution, mostly because all the other "solutions" were old hat). That seems to have struck a chord with Jews here and across the diaspora as another lesser known factoid is that one of the largest contributors for the relief of those suffering after the Famine here were Jews in Ireland and beyond. Including one of the Rothschilds who directly organised an aid programme funded by IIRC a 100,000 pounds, a huge sum at the time. They also fired aid at those Scots affected by the London driven land clearances*.

    For all the more recent talk of The Rothschild conspiracy stuff, if you look at the history of the family in England anyway, it very much comes across as a family Who's Done Good™ trying to fit in and be accepted. But unlike all the other non "aristocratic" families who did good during the industrial revolution, who were after a while welcomed in because they had cash to spare, its clear they were always kept at a distance, and they knew it. Back then they were big into charity and patronage and being all around good eggs, almost to a fault, but it never seemed enough for the local blue bloods. They were still "Yids" with notions.





    *While we Irish have many valid issues about how London dealt with the Famine, the Scottish land clearances were unabashedly aggressive towards the people, even quasi "genocidal". How Scots haven't burnt London to the ground over it since has always surprised me.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Not just Natalie Portman: Rachel Weisz, Jennifer Connelly - Jewish mother obviously, Mila Kunis (yes, all of the above were in Darren Aronofsky films).


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,911 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    1641 wrote: »
    I truly apologise. I never met the SS man -but obviously he "came clean" when he looked in Tony's eyes. He knew now was the time for the truth and nothing but the truth. No need for electrodes!:rolleyes:

    Again, you know nothing about him. But you have him pegged as an automatic liar.

    We're talking a guy who was 17 in 1944, drafted into the 23rd W-SS Div, given a few weeks basic and then told to go fight the Russians who were intent on destroying his country.

    He was lucky to see the end of the war with his life intact and damned the Nazis for ever being near his country. He considered it the absolute worst period of his life. This wasn't a man who trying to gloss over anything. He was imparting information in an effort to explain how terrible everything was.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭1641


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Again, you know nothing about him. But you have him pegged as an automatic liar.

    We're talking a guy who was 17 in 1944, drafted into the 23rd W-SS Div, given a few weeks basic and then told to go fight the Russians who were intent on destroying his country.

    He was lucky to see the end of the war with his life intact and damned the Nazis for ever being near his country. He considered it the absolute worst period of his life. This wasn't a man who trying to gloss over anything. He was imparting information in an effort to explain how terrible everything was.


    I am not pegging him as anything.

    Retrospective accounts by SS men have to be taken with extreme skepticism. I don't mean the accounts about "How terrible everything was" or "How lucky I was to be alive". These are probably true. But how many of them ever accounted for atrocities they either committed or witnessed? If it were to be based on ex-SS accounts it would have been a "gentlemans' war" fought according to the Geneva conventions. The "bad things" would have committed by someone else or while they were posted elsewhere, etc. At the very worst (with no way out) it would have been "following orders".

    I accept that the late conscripts were in a different position to the earlier recruits but, by the same token, they are hardly representative - and are still very likely to have "selective recall" of any of the stuff that reflected badly on them.


    Anyway, this is all by the way. Over and out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭ScottCapper


    The Rothschild are great people, I highly respect them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Went to school with two Jewish people (twins) who were born here but they moved to the USA on graduating. Their parents moved to Israel on retiring. Have to say that they were lovely people.
    Crock Rock wrote: »
    So are the majority of Irish Jews of German or Central European descent who were escaping Hitler's persecution?

    I don't think so. The article below gives some insight into the Irish response to them.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/how-ireland-failed-refugees-from-nazi-germany-1.2961062


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Berserker wrote: »

    I don't think so. The article below gives some insight into the Irish response to them.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/how-ireland-failed-refugees-from-nazi-germany-1.2961062

    I don't think we were the worst in that regard at all. The Jewish people in England also had a lot of difficulties but then again that's not surprising. A country that voted Brexit in part to keep out immigrants won't have the best attitude towards refugees.
    It was difficult for the refugees to find work, regardless of their education, except as domestics. This also meant that Jewish refugees who were physicians could not practice medicine, even though there was a shortage of health care providers.[20] Some of the concern was economic. During a period of high unemployment, the British were concerned about losing job opportunities due to the influx of refugees.

    A law was enacted in the 1930s to ensure that no more than 5% of the total students in a school were Jewish, limiting the rate at which Jewish children could be admitted to state schools. The press, which was generally not supportive of refugees, incorrectly reported that there were more Jews in Britain than had been in Germany in the summer of 1938.[8] Kushner and Katharine Knox state in their book Refugees In An Age Of Genocide, "Of all the groups in the 20th century, refugees from Nazism are now widely and popularly perceived as 'genuine', but at the time German, Austrian and Czechoslovakian Jews were treated with ambivalence and outright hostility as well as sympathy."


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    1641 wrote: »
    I am not pegging him as anything.

    Retrospective accounts by SS men have to be taken with extreme skepticism. I don't mean the accounts about "How terrible everything was" or "How lucky I was to be alive". These are probably true. But how many of them ever accounted for atrocities they either committed or witnessed? If it were to be based on ex-SS accounts it would have been a "gentlemans' war" fought according to the Geneva conventions. The "bad things" would have committed by someone else or while they were posted elsewhere, etc. At the very worst (with no way out) it would have been "following orders".

    I accept that the late conscripts were in a different position to the earlier recruits but, by the same token, they are hardly representative - and are still very likely to have "selective recall" of any of the stuff that reflected badly on them.


    Anyway, this is all by the way. Over and out.


    Most ex German soldiers from that era are not honest fact.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ireland’s oldest Jewish cemetery to reopen after 40 years (The Irish Times, 15 July 2019)
    Ireland’s oldest Jewish cemetery is to be refurbished and reopened to the public more than 40 years since its closure, under new plans from Dublin City Council.

    The council took ownership of the cemetery on Fairview Strand in Ballybough two years ago from the Dublin Jewish Board of Guardians, who could no longer afford its upkeep.

    Founded in 1718, it is one of the earliest surviving Jewish burial grounds in Ireland or Britain and merits consideration for National Monument status, according to a conservation and management plan commissioned by the council.... The cemetery is bounded by a high wall and the only external indication of its presence is a plaque on the front of the mortuary house which states it was built in 5618, the Hebrew calendar date which translates to 1857 in the Gregorian calendar.

    The mortuary house was built 139 years after the cemetery first opened, as a defence against grave robbery and the theft of headstones, and until recently was the residence of the cemetery caretaker. It is no longer habitable.

    The cemetery has almost 150 headstones with inscriptions in both Hebrew and English, and holds about 200 graves. It was in use from 1718 until the end of the 19th century, when the Jewish community moved to the south side of the city and established a new cemetery near Dolphin’s Barn.

    Just a handful of burials took place in Fairview in the early years of the 20th century, with the last interment in 1958. The cemetery officially closed in 1978.

    The oldest surviving headstone commemorates Jacob Wills, who was born in France in 1701 and died in Dublin in 1777.
    The largest tomb belongs to Lewis Wormser Harris, a former alderman, who was been elected lord mayor of Dublin. He would have been the city’s first Jewish mayor but died the day before he was due to take office in 1908...

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 474 ✭✭Former Observer


    Most ex German soldiers from that era are not honest fact.

    Same could be said of the soldiers of any powerful country during the last 100 years.

    The British were murdering socialists and trade unionists in south East Asia immediately after the war. Over 60,000 civilians died during France's appalling war on Algeria in the 1960s. The Americans were using chemical weapons on the Vietnamese etc. etc. The Germans never did anything the British didn't do first or the Americans didn't do later.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,907 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Same could be said of the soldiers of any powerful country during the last 100 years.
    The British were murdering socialists and trade unionists in south East Asia immediately after the war. Over 60,000 civilians died during France's appalling war on Algeria in the 1960s. The Americans were using chemical weapons on the Vietnamese etc. etc. The Germans never did anything the British didn't do first or the Americans didn't do later.

    This is Holocaust denial.

    None of those actions remotely compare to what the Germans did. By equating them, you minimise what did occur in the Holocaust to the extent that your post is Holocaust denial.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 474 ✭✭Former Observer


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    This is Holocaust denial.

    None of those actions remotely compare to what the Germans did. By equating them, you minimise what did occur in the Holocaust to the extent that your post is Holocaust denial.

    Comparing what the Nazis did to what other imperialist powers have done historically is holocaust denial? Grow up.

    It's ironic, because while I was not minimizing the crimes committed against Jewish people, you very much were minimizing the suffering of the Algerian people, the Vietnamese, the Armenians, the Iranians, the Iraqis, and countless others. And it's there for everyone to see.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,907 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Comparing what the Nazis did to what other imperialist powers have done historically is holocaust denial? Grow up. Maybe you are the one who is denying the suffering of the Algerian people, the Vietnamese, the Armenians, the Iranians, the Iraqis, and countless others.

    You can compare them, but there is no equivalence. To equalise them it to make a false equivalence which diminishes the scale of the continent wide genocide that was the Holocaust.
    What the Italians did in Abyssinia is equivalent to that, or what the Germans did in their pre-WW1 colonial era.

    In relation to the Holocaust, to say that "The Germans never did anything the British didn't do first or the Americans didn't do later" is Holocaust denial.

    If you are seriously equating what happened in those countries to the Holocuast, you have no moral sense.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    israeli women are ****ing hot
    Especially those in uniform carrying Uzis


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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    This is Holocaust denial.

    None of those actions remotely compare to what the Germans did. By equating them, you minimise what did occur in the Holocaust to the extent that your post is Holocaust denial.

    someone is suffering from Genocide envy ,
    or perhaps this is some form of Genocide pissing contest .
    Life is great as are people always coming up with things you dont expect to see or hear..


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