Homeless junky aggression

mondeo

I think homeless junkies around parts of Dublin are making them awkward areas to walk around. Alot of them don't just sit there anymore, they are getting up and harrassing you for money, following you down the street to a certain point. Walking out of work today to have a clearly homeless junky ball of a young fella following me to the point where I get in my car. He wouldn't F off! Ain't my fault your a homeless junky drugged up to your fckn eyes dude! Go ask help at the social welfare.... They will give you free money every week, a free house, all sorts of other benefits. Great crack all together, no pun intended!

vriesmays

Punch him in the face.

beertons

Did you not drive over him?

Thelonious Monk

They're mostly from horrible backgrounds from horrible areas surrounded by horrible people and no one ever really cared about them. When heroin addiction is where you end up I'd probably be pretty angry with the world too.

Pkiernan

Rear leg roundhouse to knee followed by step over back turning kick to groin.

vriesmays

They didn't get their house repossessed when they fell behind on the repayments.

Spanish Eyes

The problem is you don't know who are genuine down and outs and who are scammers. Mostly the latter I'd say.

There is no need for anyone to beg in this country, we are very generous with our social supports, and charities abound. So to my mind all the begging is for drink or drugs.

Totally fed up with them taking over the city. I crossed Rosie Hackett Bridge the other day and it was heroin central. I'm sure that's not the only spot in town either.

No point in getting riled about it, police don't patrol, judiciary have them on a rolling contract of suspended sentences, City Council won't even power wash the streets or put in enough litter bins.

Gone to the dogs I tell ya. But it is a serious matter just the same. Those who could do something about it don't seem to care. Injection centre opposite the Four Courts and around the corner from Christchurch Cathedral and a primary school. That's a great location altogether isn't it.

punisher5112

Supposedly there are none as many on boards come on a state they see nothing wrong in the city....

Junkyard Tom

They should be banned from the city centre and detained in some sort of drying out detention centre if they don't observe the ban.

Jimmy McGill

Genuinely can't remember the last time I seen the Garda patrolling on foot around the city centre. It used to be a common sight up until circa 2008, now you never see them anymore.

mondeo

We need more Gardai on the roads throughout Dublin city. I see almost none on foot these days. Do they take Junkies and beggers off the streets or just walk past them ? I wouldn't know since I never seen a Garda near them.

Jimmy McGill

mondeo wrote: »

We need more Gardai on the roads throughout Dublin city. I see almost none on foot these days. Do they take Junkies and beggers off the streets or just walk past them ? I wouldn't know since I never seen a Garda near them.

I'm starting to think their purpose these days is just checkpoints because it's easy pickings for them

Spanish Eyes

Jimmy McGill wrote: »

Genuinely can't remember the last time I seen the Garda patrolling on foot around the city centre. It used to be a common sight up until circa 2008, now you never see them anymore.

Ah to be fair they are out in their droves for the protest marches and Pride.

Spanish Eyes

Drew Harris needs to do a patrol or two around Dublin. Then kick the Superintendents' asses to get patrols going from the City Stations PDQ.

I suppose they will say they are inundated with Organised Crime. And to be fair (touch wood) it seems to have quietened down a bit. For now I suppose. Still, all citizens should have Garda protection.

Same applies to Owen Keegan, DCC. Get off yer bike mate and see what it is really like in the City of which you are the Manager mate.

Jimmy McGill

Most people are afraid of their life to venture around the Talbot Street/Abbey Street area, where you see open street dealing in broad daylight and junkies strung out of their head in nearly every doorway. Ironically enough Store Street Garda Station is only around the corner and they don't seem interested whatsoever in what goes on around their doorstep.

Infernal Racket

mondeo wrote: »

We need more Gardai on the roads throughout Dublin city. I see almost none on foot these days. Do they take Junkies and beggers off the streets or just walk past them ? I wouldn't know since I never seen a Garda near them.

What powers do the guards have to take them off the streets?

Thelonious Monk

Jimmy McGill wrote: »

Most people are afraid of their life to venture around the Talbot Street/Abbey Street area, where you see open street dealing in broad daylight and junkies strung out of their head in nearly every doorway. Ironically enough Store Street Garda Station is only around the corner and they don't seem interested whatsoever in what goes on around their doorstep.

No one is afraid of their life ffs

Spanish Eyes

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No one is afraid of their life ffs

The Gardai seem to be.

SEPT 23 1989

mondeo wrote: »

I think homeless junkies around parts of Dublin are making them awkward areas to walk around. Alot of them don't just sit there anymore, they are getting up and harrassing you for money, following you down the street to a certain point. Walking out of work today to have a clearly homeless junky ball of a young fella following me to the point where I get in my car. He wouldn't F off! Ain't my fault your a homeless junky drugged up to your fckn eyes dude! Go ask help at the social welfare.... They will give you free money every week, a free house, all sorts of other benefits. Great crack all together, no pun intended!

They can smell fear and that post is reeking of it

Jimmy McGill

Gerry G wrote: »

What powers do the guards have to take them off the streets?

For starters they can crack down on open street dealing, handing out fines for drinking alcohol in public, doing searches on people they suspect of carrying drugs etc. A heavy handed approach would deter them from blighting the city centre but that might hurt people's feelings.

Infernal Racket

Jimmy McGill wrote: »

For starters they can crack down on open street dealing, handing out fines for drinking alcohol in public, doing searches on people they suspect of carrying drugs etc. A heavy handed approach would deter them from blighting the city centre but that might hurt people's feelings.

They've been doing this for years, it does absolutely no good whatsoever. The revolving court system keeps letting them back out. The guards used to be able to move beggars on up until a few years ago when our wise legislators decided to remove that power.

Infernal Racket

Gerry G wrote: »

They've been doing this for years, it does absolutely no good whatsoever. The revolving court system keeps letting them back out. The guards used to be able to move beggars on up until a few years ago when our wise legislators decided to remove that power.

And as for handing out fines for drinking in public, do you really believe that the winos would pay their fines?

Atoms for Peace

Dublin needs a "hamsterdam", let them roam free in their natural environment away from decent people.

Jimmy McGill

Gerry G wrote: »

They've been doing this for years, it does absolutely no good whatsoever. The revolving court system keeps letting them back out. The guards used to be able to move beggars on up until a few years ago when our wise legislators decided to remove that power.

Have they really been doing it for years? I certainly haven't seen a robust approach in at least 10 years, or any guards foot patrolling the streets either. As someone that does be in the city centre a lot for work.

Spanish Eyes

Gerry G wrote: »

They've been doing this for years, it does absolutely no good whatsoever. The revolving court system keeps letting them back out. The guards used to be able to move beggars on up until a few years ago when our wise legislators decided to remove that power.

That may be the case, but it should not stop Gardai from patrolling and intervening in potentially violent issues immediately either.

The public would totally love to see Gardai patrolling, it helps them feel a bit safer. The sentencing/arrest issue is another issue. But nobody appears to be listening anymore.

Jimmy McGill

Gerry G wrote: »

And as for handing out fines for drinking in public, do you really believe that the winos would pay their fines?

Maybe not but searches and fines would certainly deter them

gctest50

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No one is afraid of their life ffs

no ? this sort of thing going on :



https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/past-champion-dog-handler-at-crufts-faces-prison-for-knife-point-muggings-936051.html

The first victim who worked as a care assistant was walking to a house for a care visit when Geoghegan came up behind her and put his arm around her neck


He told her “give me your money, I want paper not coins”. She saw the blade of a knife in his hand and gave him some cash, the court heard.


The third woman was arriving for work in a barbershop and had just parked her car nearby when Geoghegan came up to her.

He raised the knife to her and said: “give me your money or I will stab you”. She took out €80 from her handbag and gave it to him before he ran off.

Infernal Racket

Jimmy McGill wrote: »

Maybe not but searches and fines would certainly deter them

Not even in the slightest

Jimmy McGill

Gerry G wrote: »

Not even in the slightest

You think Deco or Micka would want their rock of crack or bag of heroin taken off them that they just bought and getting arrested as well?

Infernal Racket

Jimmy McGill wrote: »

Have they really been doing it for years? I certainly haven't seen a robust approach in at least 10 years, or any guards foot patrolling the streets either. As someone that does be in the city centre a lot for work.

There are no Garda powers available to Gardai to take a robust approach to junkies no matter what people may think. If they hassle them on the streets and search them ad nauseam then joe bleeding heart takes out his phone, records the big bullying Garda and posts it all over social media. Some social media sites are actively trying to identify guards, their addresses and members of their families. Why would a guard bother?

If the reply is, "because it's their job", I can understand but they get no support from their supervisors or the government who are the cause of this mess in the first place.

Infernal Racket

Jimmy McGill wrote: »

You think Deco or Micka would want their rock of crack or bag of heroin taken off them that they just bought and getting arrested as well?

They shove it up their rear end. Guards cant search them intimately on the street which leads back to the arrest method and the merry go round keeps on turning

Spanish Eyes

Gardai (I think) are getting bodycams. Is that right? Would be interesting to see the footage, and it should be admissable in evidence to judges too. I can dream on I suppose

I think with respect that some are missing the point, it is not about the powers the Gardai have versus the judicial system, it is all about giving a bit of reassurance to law abiding citizens in the city. That means presence and patrols. End of story.

Jimmy McGill

Gerry G wrote: »

There are no Garda powers available to Gardai to take a robust approach to junkies no matter what people may think. If they hassle them on the streets and search them ad nauseam then joe bleeding heart takes out his phone, records the big bullying Garda and posts it all over social media. Some social media sites are actively trying to identify guards, their addresses and members of their families. Why would a guard bother?

If the reply is, "because it's their job", I can understand but they get no support from their supervisors or the government who are the cause of this mess in the first place.

Right so a Garda walks up to someone who's pupils are dilated and they can tell they're under the influence of drugs, are you trying to say they have no powers to bring them back to the Garda Station for a drug search if they find nothing in their pockets? It puts heat on them and they wouldn't like the hassle, resulting in them not frequenting the city centre anymore

And yes it is their job, if I didn't do my job properly I don't think I'd be in my job for very long

Mrs OBumble

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Dublin needs a "hamsterdam", let them roam free in their natural environment away from decent people.

The rest of Ireland has a "hamsterdam" - we call it Dublin.

I used to go up once a month or so for some shopping etc until ye all started shooting each other. Now I go to Limerick, it's just safer.

Infernal Racket

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Gardai (I think) are getting bodycams. Is that right? Would be interesting to see the footage, and it should be admissable in evidence to judges too. I can dream on I suppose

I think with respect that some are missing the point, it is not about the powers the Gardai have versus the judicial system, it is all about giving a bit of reassurance to law abiding citizens in the city. That means presence and patrols. End of story.

The man power just simply isn't there. The normal guard on the street nowadays spend hours sitting in front of a computer dealing with crap initiatives dreamed up by a well paid somebody who has never done a days policing in their lives. Ask any guard of any rank how much time they spend in front of a computer screen nowadays. You'll be shocked

mondeo

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

They can smell fear and that post is reeking of it

I don't fancy getting HIV from a needle stuck in my arm by an unpredictable homeless drug addict who can't control himself... So yes, I am afraid

Infernal Racket

Jimmy McGill wrote: »

Right so a Garda walks up to someone who's pupils are dilated and they can tell they're under the influence of drugs, are you trying to say they have no powers to bring them back to the Garda Station for a drug search if they find nothing in their pockets? It puts heat on them and they wouldn't like the hassle, resulting in them not frequenting the city centre anymore

And yes it is their job, if I didn't do my job properly I don't think I'd be in my job for very long

If they did that to every person they meet in Dublin city with dilated pupils what do you think the outcome would be?

Jimmy McGill

Gerry G wrote: »

The man power just simply isn't there. The normal guard on the street nowadays spend hours sitting in front of a computer dealing with crap initiatives dreamed up by a well paid somebody who has never done a days policing in their lives. Ask any guard of any rank how much time they spend in front of a computer screen nowadays. You'll be shocked

They seem to have plenty of time for checkpoints and watching sky sports/playing pool in the station

MarkY91

Jimmy McGill wrote: »

Genuinely can't remember the last time I seen the Garda patrolling on foot around the city centre. It used to be a common sight up until circa 2008, now you never see them anymore.

I seen two at the corporation building and two with a Garda card on Henry Street all within 10 minutes cycle the other day.

vladmydad

Dublin needs Rudy Giuliani

Jimmy McGill

Gerry G wrote: »

If they did that to every person they meet in Dublin city with dilated pupils what do you think the outcome would be?

Well you can start with the ones that are causing a public nuisance at least

Riesen_Meal

mondeo wrote: »

I don't fancy getting HIV from a needle stuck in my arm by an unpredictable homeless drug addict who can't control himself... So yes, I am afraid

You okay hun? Xxx

In all seriousness I got stuck with a needle about 17 years ago, I am late thirties now, lucky I didn't get anything from it...

Don't fear them, it's like the walking dead some days about town but you should never fear these fcukers, they aren't worth your energy...

Spanish Eyes

Gerry G wrote: »

The man power just simply isn't there. The normal guard on the street nowadays spend hours sitting in front of a computer dealing with crap initiatives dreamed up by a well paid somebody who has never done a days policing in their lives. Ask any guard of any rank how much time they spend in front of a computer screen nowadays. You'll be shocked

The man/woman power IS there. It is just not utilised proficiently. But what do I know I am not Drew Harris either.

But he is on a five year contract I think. And needs to see what is going on regarding crap computerised initiatives and so on. I have no idea what goes on in a Garda station (obviously), but good top management would sort all that crap out stat. If they were good managers.

The will is not there it seems. I had good vibes for Harris, hope he will deliver.

Often wondered if there would be any benefit in having Regional autonomy within the Gardai, yes, I know, corruption etc. But not every city is as large and diverse as Dublin and it really needs its own Garda Force suitably funded now. It is so obvious.

Infernal Racket

Jimmy McGill wrote: »

They seem to have plenty of time for checkpoints and watching sky sports/playing pool in the station

Yeah yeah, it's all been said before. The checkpoints thing is great pr dreamed up by senior managers. Looks great on the rte news etc etc. Mostly done by traggic corps guards who wont be walking the beat stopping junkies

RobbieMD

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The man/woman power IS there. It is just not utilised proficiently. But what do I know I am not Drew Harris either.

Ireland has one of the lowest ratios of police per population in Europe.

Then factor in that we use Gardai for jobs normally done by other state agencies and I imagine the manpower isn’t there.

Infernal Racket

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The man/woman power IS there. It is just not utilised proficiently. But what do I know I am not Drew Harris either.

But he is on a five year contract I think. And needs to see what is going on regarding crap computerised initiatives and so on. I have no idea what goes on in a Garda station (obviously), but good top management would sort all that crap out stat. If they were good managers.

The will is not there it seems. I had good vibes for Harris, hope he will deliver.

Often wondered if there would be any benefit in having Regional autonomy within the Gardai, yes, I know, corruption etc. But not every city is as large and diverse as Dublin and it really needs its own Garda Force suitably funded now. It is so obvious.

No, even including mismanagement the numbers are not there. I live in a town with approx 13,000 people. At any given time we are lucky to have one patrol car out and about, at the weekends maybe 2 if overtime is paid

Jimmy McGill

Gerry G wrote: »

Yeah yeah, it's all been said before. The checkpoints thing is great pr dreamed up by senior managers. Looks great on the rte news etc etc. Mostly done by traggic corps guards who wont be walking the beat stopping junkies

So what about the pool tables and sky sports in garda stations thing?

Infernal Racket

Jimmy McGill wrote: »

So what about the pool tables and sky sports in garda stations thing?

That I cant answer which I'm sure you probably cant anyway. It's like the Garda loving their doughnuts thing. I've never actually seen a garda in a doughnut shop or even eating a doughnut but it sounds good to some people to spout these things.

Atlantic Dawn

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Dublin needs a "hamsterdam", let them roam free in their natural environment away from decent people.

We already have this, it's the boardwalk area, drugs smoked the dealt daily between 9-5, also cans of alcohol drank openly. I've yet to pass it where laws are not openly been broken.

Jimmy McGill

Gerry G wrote: »

That I cant answer which I'm sure you probably cant anyway. It's like the Garda loving their doughnuts thing. I've never actually seen a garda in a doughnut shop or even eating a doughnut but it sounds good to some people to spout these things.

The difference being that its a fact that garda stations have pool tables and sky sports, Garda Gerry.

Jimmy McGill

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