Should Sweden Change Its Flag

SafeSurfer

Sweden is seen as a very progressive country which embraces equality and diversity. Is it sustainable for it to retain its national flag, which contains such overt Christian symbolism?

ILoveYourVibes

No.

SafeSurfer

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No.

It’s not sustainable or it shouldn’t change its flag?

ILoveYourVibes

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It’s not sustainable or it shouldn’t change its flag?

It shouldn't change it's flag.

kowloon

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It’s not sustainable or it shouldn’t change its flag?

Yes.

paleoperson

Troll thread.

Get a life.

ILoveYourVibes

Sweden actually has a state religion which is christianity.

Just like Norway , Iceland , Malta, the UK ( 1701 Act of Establishment,) etc. Makes sense for the flag to be christian.

And people probably have an attachment to it.

And lets face it sweden IS a tolerant place to live.

Unlike china ..where religion is a pariah..but minorities are still persecuted.

Lackadaisical

Sweden has a state church so that's not likely to be happening any time soon.

Vita nova

Yes, it should be a black and white pictogram of a person assembling a wardrobe

ILoveYourVibes

Kermit.de.frog

What does Trump think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0tSLV3GGQc

There was a story before about them removing crosses from Swedish churches as not to offend Muslims

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Matias Lively Spokesperson wrote: »

There was a story before about them removing crosses from Swedish churches as not to offend Muslims

Something similar-ish has already been done with a brand of Greek youghurt that sells across Europe at all german discount stores. The packaging was deemed too offensive, so the small cross was airbrushed out.

tuxy

Malakai Late Water wrote: »

Something similar-ish has already been done with a brand of Greek youghurt that sells across Europe at all german discount stores. The packaging was deemed too offensive, so the small cross was airbrushed out.

WTF? From 2017




But we are saved, the crosses are back! (2019)

L1011

Matias Lively Spokesperson wrote: »

There was a story before about them removing crosses from Swedish churches as not to offend Muslims

Which was bollox like all of these are

tuxy

L1011 wrote: »

Which was bollox like all of these are

Yes it was only one church that bishop Eva Brunne proposed the changes for.

StupidLikeAFox

Malakai Late Water wrote: »

Something similar-ish has already been done with a brand of Greek youghurt that sells across Europe at all german discount stores. The packaging was deemed too offensive, so the small cross was airbrushed out.

Some guy in Lidl made a calculated decision that by removing the crosses they could potentially increase sales.

Hobosan

I think they should get rid of the flag and also close down every single University in the world... for consistency like!

It's bad enough that Catholics cover up child abuse, but the cover up of inventing Unnversities when Europe was happily living in excrement is something that must not go unpunished.

arybvtcw0eolkf

L1011 wrote: »

Which was bollox like all of these are

Google disagree's with you.

Personally I hate all religious symbols equally so I couldn't really give a tup'pennys fvck but it seems (after a quick Google search) as though crosses are being removed in Sweden and other European countries.

Mad_maxx

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Sweden actually has a state religion which is christianity.

Just like Norway , Iceland , Malta, the UK ( 1701 Act of Establishment,) etc. Makes sense for the flag to be christian.

And people probably have an attachment to it.

And lets face it sweden IS a tolerant place to live.

Unlike china ..where religion is a pariah..but minorities are still persecuted.

Actually like all the nordic countries, Lutheranism is the state religion

malinheader

Definitely not. Keep their flag and put up more crosses. Might deter some other easy offended types entering their country.

fryup

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Sweden actually has a state religion which is christianity.

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Actually like all the nordic countries, Lutheranism is the state religion

yes and Lutheranism (Protestantism) is part of Christianity

Reputable Rog

I'm considering moving to Switzerland. Their flag is a big plus.

biko

skooterblue2

L1011 wrote: »

Which was bollox like all of these are

Its not Bollocks its fact. Proven

https://pjmedia.com/faith/2017/06/21/church-of-swedens-first-lesbian-bishop-wants-to-remove-crosses-add-muslim-prayer-spaces-to-church/

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2015/10/05/worlds-first-lesbian-bishop-calls-church-remove-crosses-install-muslim-prayer-space/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Brunne

She sounds like a right basket case.

The chan chan man

I’m not mad on Sweden, but the flag is a big plus.

spurious

They gave us 3/4 of Abba. They can do no wrong.

fryup

spurious wrote: »

They gave us 3/4 of Abba. They can do no wrong.

why? who is the odd one out?

ILoveYourVibes

England has the cross in its flag as christian symbol too.



St Georges Cross.

spurious

spurious wrote: »

They gave us 3/4 of Abba. They can do no wrong.

fryup wrote: »

why? who is the odd one out?

Frida. The dark-haired one. She was Norwegian with a German soldier father, which as you can imagine, made for some fun times in post-war Norway. That's why they moved to Sweden.

colm_mcm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

England has the cross in its flag as christian symbol too.

<SNIP>

St Georges Cross.

So would you be if someone painted your horse.

Atoms for Peace

"As the Seamen's Church is an independent foundation and, while in Stockholm, not part of Brunne's Diocese of Stockholm, Kicki Wetterberg, the head of the Seamen's Church, rejected the suggestion in an interview with Dagen, stating that she had "no problem with Muslim or Hindu sailors worshipping in the church, but the church will keep its crosses, being a Christian church".[16]"

ILoveYourVibes

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

"As the Seamen's Church is an independent foundation and, while in Stockholm, not part of Brunne's Diocese of Stockholm, Kicki Wetterberg, the head of the Seamen's Church, rejected the suggestion in an interview with Dagen, stating that she had "no problem with Muslim or Hindu sailors worshipping in the church, but the church will keep its crosses, being a Christian church".[16]"

Oh i know what that is. The cross is seen as idolatry in Islam and Judaism.

Or rather the crucifix is.

But then jews don't go woshipping in churches. And according to jewish law we can't.

We can go pray in a mosque though because its clear there is no idolatry there. And they can pray in a synagogue for the same reason.

Judaism and Islam has a similar sensitivity to idolatry. The star of David and the crecent moon on mosques etc doesn't represent god. The star represents the Jewish people. The crescent moon represents islam not allah. We are not allowed have images of god ....as god is infinite and beyond race nation or gender.

Christianity has a lot of idolatry.

Obviously asking someone to remove their cross etc is not ok it's their place of worship etc.

malinheader

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

"As the Seamen's Church is an independent foundation and, while in Stockholm, not part of Brunne's Diocese of Stockholm, Kicki Wetterberg, the head of the Seamen's Church, rejected the suggestion in an interview with Dagen, stating that she had "no problem with Muslim or Hindu sailors worshipping in the church, but the church will keep its crosses, being a Christian church".[16]"

At last someone with a bit of cop on.
This stupid carry on of removing objects in fear of insulting a small minority only adds to the divisions that people are trying to mend.
I'm sure 90% of them couldn't give a toss, and any who do shouldn't be there.

K.Flyer

Don't see muslim countries pissing in their pants trying to remove islamic symbols from their mosques, flags or whatever in order to appease non muslims.

namenotavailablE

I think the OP should consider living off-road and definitely stay out of cars in case one of these comes into view.



Ludicrous proposal.

branie2

I think it's fine

gozunda

Sweden has a new religous leader - no crosses required

St greta of the climates ...

Cee-Jay-Cee

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Sweden is seen as a very progressive country which embraces equality and diversity. Is it sustainable for it to retain its national flag, which contains such overt Christian symbolism?

I didn’t know their flag contained any symbolism until you posted. I suspect the vast majority of the world don’t either.

Pherekydes

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What does Trump think?

When's my next cheeseburger?

InTheShadows

They should put a picture of Jesus in the middle of it if it pisses off lefties a bit more.

I'm not Catholic in any way and i don't believe in any sky fairies of any shape or form but im sick of all these anti catholic do gooders.

Atoms for Peace

InTheShadows wrote: »

They should put a picture of Jesus in the middle of it if it pisses off lefties a bit more.

I'm not Catholic in any way and i don't believe in any sky fairies of any shape or form but im sick of all these anti catholic do gooders.

Jesus was the original leftie (or possibly Pythagoras).

Mad_maxx

fryup wrote: »

yes and Lutheranism (Protestantism) is part of Christianity

I know that, just making the point that despite being viewed as deeply secular Liberal nations, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland and Iceland, all have the Lutheran Church at the heart of their state

Larbre34

Try getting the Brits to change the butcher's apron, only the christian crosses of 3 saints and nations there, then we'll have a chat about Sweden and the rest....

In fact, the United Ireland should return to the red saltire of St Patrick when the time comes, to represent our unified nation under christian heritage morality
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No, not really, but it got you going

ILoveYourVibes

Larbre34 wrote: »

Try getting the Brits to change the butcher's apron,

Oh pleease pleeeeeaaase lets do this. I would love to piss them off!

BeerWolf

L1011 wrote: »

Which was bollox like all of these are

Was at Lidl once a few years back, there was one Muslim lady at the til causing an outroar demanding they removed pork products as she had to stand near another customer buying them.

The absolute audacity of her... the poor clerk was shrinking into his sit.

skooterblue2

BeerWolf wrote: »

Was at Lidl once a few years back, there was one Muslim lady at the til causing an outroar demanding they removed pork products as she had to stand near another customer buying them.

The absolute audacity of her... the poor clerk was shrinking into his sit.

What she wanted was a law suit and to cry racism. €20k law suit and it all goes away. Muslims can eat pork as long as it is Halal. Dawn Pork and Bacon pay the Halal certification. Its not important about production its about the 2% gross revenue fee. This is passed onto the next level and has to be paid at the next level. So by the end of day you could easily be paying 10% extra for your groceries from producer to transport to producer to storage to the vendor, when it is paid at each stage. Guess who collects all this money in the EU?

riffmongous

Larbre34 wrote: »

Try getting the Brits to change the butcher's apron, only the christian crosses of 3 saints and nations there, then we'll have a chat about Sweden and the rest....

In fact, the United Ireland should return to the red saltire of St Patrick when the time comes, to represent our unified nation under christian heritage morality
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No, not really, but it got you going

I wonder will they actually change it if Scotland/NI leaves

Wibbs

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Muslims can eat pork as long as it is Halal.

Untrue. Pork and pig product are always haraam. Now some companies applied for the halal rating, but Muslim scholars came out against it. Even snopes got wind of this. One type of food which is always haraam for Muslims and can never be considered halal is pork, including any and all consumables derived from any portion of a pig (e.g., pork sausage, pork ribs, bacon, ham)

Bannasidhe

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Muslims can eat pork as long as it is Halal. Dawn Pork and Bacon pay the Halal certification.

Not if they are religious they can't. Same as Jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_restrictions_on_the_consumption_of_pork#Prohibitions_in_Islamic_law

There is no such thing as Halal pork. Just like there is not such thing as Kosher pork.

All cuts of pork (pig-meat) are Haram. These include such names as bacon, ham, gammon steaks and rashers. Also, all types of sausages, including beef sausages, contain pork and therefore are forbidden.

Many foodstuffs contain fats from animals, including the pig and so it is important to read the "Ingredients" label before buying anything. Foods containing "animal fat", "lard", "shortening", or just "fat" are not suitable to be eaten by Muslims.

https://islamicfoundation.ie/services/halal-food-certification/halal-food-in-ireland/

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Matias Lively Spokesperson wrote: »

There was a story before about them removing crosses from Swedish churches as not to offend Muslims

Chruch. Singular. Because it was hosting Muslim refugees.