AMD Navi Discussion

z0oT

The Radeon Software isn't really of much value IMO. I mean it's a nice UI & all, and the in-built monitoring is cool, but you can get by perfectly fine without it.

If it's causing issues, it's probably just better to disable the Radeon Software & call it a day. As long as the games run well, what about it?

If you were on Nvidia, you'd probably do the same with Geforce Experience because of that forced login nonense. (Or at least I did)

Cuddlesworth

Nah, reports are coming in hot and thick on the internet now that the 5700's have huge driver problems. Its new architecture so its expected to a extent but 6 months later to have little to none of them resolved is extreme.

Homelander

I find it really strange that some people are trying to downplay it like it's not a thing. I don't mean the posts above, but in general, there's an air of denial about it in some places online. Even in our little corner here on boards there are loads of examples of people being being unhappy with/returning 5700's due to these driver issues. And what you will see repeatedly is "returned the 5700, got a 2070S, smooth sailing now".

I'm not even remotely excitied about the so-called 2080ti killer 5950xt due to the driver issues.

Cuddlesworth

Homelander wrote: »

I find it really strange that some people are trying to downplay it like it's not a thing. I don't mean the posts above, but in general, there's an air of denial about it in some places online. Even in our little corner here on boards there are loads of examples of people being being unhappy with/returning 5700's due to these driver issues. And what you will see repeatedly is "returned the 5700, got a 2070S, smooth sailing now".

I'm not even remotely excitied about the so-called 2080ti killer 5950xt due to the driver issues.

I think it's a combination of a QC issue combined with the drivers. So you have some users with the same setup, in which some of fine and others get repeated failures.

From a lot of the cases online, you can see cases pointing out their cards are downclocking themselves in desktop mode leading to the performance problems, stuttering and so on. Sometimes the CPU, sometimes the memory. And yet you have plenty of other people who have zero issues, same setups, same games. So assuming unless somebody is missing some random factor, its the hardware doing it.

z0oT

Homelander wrote: »

I find it really strange that some people are trying to downplay it like it's not a thing. I don't mean the posts above, but in general, there's an air of denial about it in some places online. Even in our little corner here on boards there are loads of examples of people being being unhappy with/returning 5700's due to these driver issues. And what you will see repeatedly is "returned the 5700, got a 2070S, smooth sailing now".

I'm not even remotely excitied about the so-called 2080ti killer 5950xt due to the driver issues.

I wonder is it anything to do with the PCIe 4.0 support given it's the 1st GPU to support it? I can't recall somebody with an X570 setup reporting issues, all of those reporting issues are using older PCIe 3.0 setups. (I could be wrong on that though, I'm not actively searching for those with issues)

There's most definitely issues but at the same time there seems to be lots with no issues so that's probably where the denial is coming from if it's there.

I do hope the 5950XT or whatever it ends up being called isn't plagued with the same type of issues.

I remember years ago I went from a HD7950 which was flawless, to an R9 290, had a boatload of black screens and lockups, switched to a GTX 780 and all my driver issues went away.

wotzgoingon

z0oT wrote: »

I remember years ago I went from a HD7950 which was flawless, to an R9 290, had a boatload of black screens and lockups, switched to a GTX 780 and all my driver issues went away.

I had a 290 a number of years ago and had no issues. I must just be lucky with AMD. I've had each new card they released since the 290 minus a 390 and Vega VII. Fury X, Vega 56 and 5700 XT.

z0oT

There was an ongoing black screen issue with the 290 at the time. I got it pretty much as soon as I could after it launched.

Had I waited for a few subsequent driver releases it'd probably have been fine in the end.

Cuddlesworth

wotzgoingon wrote: »

I had a 290 a number of years ago and had no issues. I must just be lucky with AMD. I've had each new card they released since the 290 minus a 390 and Vega VII. Fury X, Vega 56 and 5700 XT.

I mean, I got the fury for cheap at the time but I felt pretty jipped by it. Starting to see the 480/580 start to pass it out in charts because the card needed serious driver work for each game to be competitive.

Homelander

I also had the black screen issue with the 290, it affected Battlefield 4 particularly badly. Was an amazing card in its time and pretty good value too. I paid less than €400 and even now 6.5 years later it would still run new games kinda OK.

amadablam

Just came across this threat as I'm ordering parts for a build at the moment and had decided on the 5700xt red devil

But, reading here and elsewhere online about all the driver issues at the moment with 5700 cards, I cancelled my order for the card as only placed it on Saturday.

Such a pity as it looked like a great card!

Do you guys still think it's worth buying the 5700 at the moment, despite the issues?

I know it's probably just teething issues with drivers but it seems to be a hot topic everywhere and people are walking away from the cards which is bound to impact a future second hand market?

I could go with a 2070 super I guess but I thought the red devil ticked all the boxes with price and performance.

Kimbot

amadablam wrote: »

Just came across this threat as I'm ordering parts for a build at the moment and had decided on the 5700xt red devil

But, reading here and elsewhere online about all the driver issues at the moment with 5700 cards, I cancelled my order for the card as only placed it on Saturday.

Such a pity as it looked like a great card!

Do you guys still think it's worth buying the 5700 at the moment, despite the issues?

I know it's probably just teething issues with drivers but it seems to be a hot topic everywhere and people are walking away from the cards which is bound to impact a future second hand market?

I could go with a 2070 super I guess but I thought the red devil ticked all the boxes with price and performance.

Some people are experiencing issues with their 5700's. I appear to be one of the lucky ones, I have 2 builds with 5700XT's in them and no issues at all on either so far (1 build Nov & the other built over christmas). 1 of them is used constant on the likes of rocket league etc and no drops or glitches at all. The other plays all sorts of games from Leisure suit larry to GOW5 and its been amazing. I did have 1 issue in my own build when I installed a driver update that wasnt a recommended update it blackscreened. Rolled back win 10 and went for recommended update and it was all good. The other card on building had no display, there is a switch on the card itself, OC or Silent and for first build I popped it to silent and it worked, installed win 10 and flipped the switch back to OC and again all is grand.

KilOit

amadablam wrote: »

Just came across this threat as I'm ordering parts for a build at the moment and had decided on the 5700xt red devil

But, reading here and elsewhere online about all the driver issues at the moment with 5700 cards, I cancelled my order for the card as only placed it on Saturday.

Such a pity as it looked like a great card!

Do you guys still think it's worth buying the 5700 at the moment, despite the issues?

I know it's probably just teething issues with drivers but it seems to be a hot topic everywhere and people are walking away from the cards which is bound to impact a future second hand market?

I could go with a 2070 super I guess but I thought the red devil ticked all the boxes with price and performance.

I had a hot, noisy 5700xt that crashed on battlefront 2 and frostpunk within 5 mins. Only used it for a day or 2. I now have 2070 super that runs a lot cooler and quieter and hasn't crashed yet after a few days. I couldn't even game with the door closed as my room started getting too warm, can only imagine the ware and tear on my pc after a year of that sort of heat, I think personally I had a dodgy card

Kimbot

KilOit wrote: »

I had a hot, noisy 5700xt that crashed on battlefront 2 and frostpunk within 5 mins. Only used it for a day or 2. I now have 2070 super that runs a lot cooler and quieter and hasn't crashed yet after a few days. I couldn't even game with the door closed as my room started getting too warm, can only imagine the ware and tear on my pc after a year of that sort of heat, I think personally I had a dodgy card

I just installed Frostpunk so I will run that later on for a while and see if mine crashes

Cuddlesworth

KilOit wrote: »

I had a hot, noisy 5700xt that crashed on battlefront 2 and frostpunk within 5 mins. Only used it for a day or 2. I now have 2070 super that runs a lot cooler and quieter and hasn't crashed yet after a few days. I couldn't even game with the door closed as my room started getting too warm, can only imagine the ware and tear on my pc after a year of that sort of heat, I think personally I had a dodgy card

It was pointed out to you on the other thread, AMD cards read higher temps back to the user. Read higher temps, not produce higher temps.

There are a handful of models out there with cooler problems, the stock blower and TUF gaming both showed mounting issues that washers fixed.

And I reckon a bunch with just hardware flaws at this point.

All in all, the card is over 6 months old, these issues should no longer exist and yet they appear to do so. Which means I was considering a 5700xt to replace my vega56 and now I'm not going to bother.

KilOit

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

It was pointed out to you on the other thread, AMD cards read higher temps back to the user. Read higher temps, not produce higher temps.

That's amazing then since my room got hot with the door closed and now it doesn't so myth busted with that one.
Like I said I think I had a dodgy card, didn't seem normal to me to reach 80-90
I also used a gigabyte card that had 3 fans on it

Kimbot

Kimbot wrote: »

I just installed Frostpunk so I will run that later on for a while and see if mine crashes

Ran it for about 4 hours this evening, all max graphics settings and not one crash. It's a great game aswell my room temperature isn't increasing but with my last build it got crazy hot so this is far cooler by far.

z0oT

For me I'd say it's fair to say my 5700 XT does put out a bit more heat than the 1070 I had before it did. But that's to be expected, since it's power draw is ~20% higher. It's a pretty low price to pay for a 50% performance increase though.

But there's no way it should be any different to a 2070 super from a heat output perspective, given all that power gets dissapated as heat and the power consumption of both is very similiar.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/31.html

Cuddlesworth

z0oT wrote: »

But there's no way it should be any different to a 2070 super from a heat output perspective, given all that power gets dissapated as heat and the power consumption of both is very similiar.

No point mate, facts and figures will never win that argument.

2ndcoming

I'm only starting to consider my next GPU purchase but is it not very often the case that AMD cards regularly launch with some issues and get progressively better over the next year or two with updates where NVidia take a more Apple approach - flawless launch then progressively hobble?

Cuddlesworth

2ndcoming wrote: »

I'm only starting to consider my next GPU purchase but is it not very often the case that AMD cards regularly launch with some issues and get progressively better over the next year or two with updates where NVidia take a more Apple approach - flawless launch then progressively hobble?

Nvidia don't hobble their cards, their older designs were just not very forward facing in terms of their architecture or the way their driver works(very reliant on a single core). So as newer engines came out, the older Nvidia cards which performed well at the time usually fell behind.

I would have said with Turing, its probably the exact opposite.

Navi for AMD is a brand new architecture rather then a adaption or refresh of existing, so its expected for first adopters to see weird bugs. The difference is that 6 months later a fair few remain, which is a pretty bad showing by AMD. Some of the more obvious problems have only be acknowledged recently(cards downclocking into desktop mode during games for example).

They are decent cards and for a lot of users, their are zero issues. I usually buy mid spec AMD cards because they offer the best bang for the buck at the time. The problem here is that the bang for the buck(which the 5700 definitely offers) is probably not worth the hassle of having to try diagnose and RMA the thing if needed.

2ndcoming

At present I'm still using my RX480 8gb, no issues for me after 4 years, only 1080p 60hz although the days of Ultra settings are long gone. The end is near for it all the same.

The market is so cluttered now it's hard to tell. New I'd be in the RX 5600 / RX2060 market but I wonder would I be better off with a 1080? I'm unlikely to ever go higher than 24" as it is in the sitting room but 144hz/1ms is likely my next monitor.

K.O.Kiki

Jim's not feeling it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x-QSi_yvoU

BloodBath

Still getting random black screen lock ups myself.

Probably should have returned the card by now but holding some hope that they fix it but it's getting silly at this stage.

Gonna try that factory reset now.

-edit-

Wow. Downloaded the latest driver and installed it with factory reset. Needed reboot to finish install.

After reboot install completed into black screen lock up directly after. Nice 1 AMD.

cherryghost

BloodBath wrote: »

Still getting random black screen lock ups myself.

Probably should have returned the card by now but holding some hope that they fix it but it's getting silly at this stage.

Gonna try that factory reset now.

-edit-

Wow. Downloaded the latest driver and installed it with factory reset. Needed reboot to finish install.

After reboot install completed into black screen lock up directly after. Nice 1 AMD.

I had it, but havent had it since latest driver. I'm probably lucky.

But definitely not impressed. When the card works, its great and I love the performance it gives me. But I've had so many grievances with it, it's a hard sell to anyone else looking to buy one until the driver issues are sorted.

Kimbot

So since November I have been having a good time with the 5700xt, in that time I have only had one issue with it. The other night I was playing Forza Horizen 4 and on a menu screen it just rebooted the PC. Has been fine ever since with no issues so for the moment I am putting it down to a 1 off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uynVO4ZXl0

EoinHef

Was hoping higher end AMD gpus were going to be coming this year,not sure id buy one now givin these issues.

z0oT

Interesting how both the hosts on Hardware Unboxed aren't seeing issues.

I myself have the 5700XT almost 6 months now. I've always been on the latest driver (using 20.2.1 now) without a single issue and I'm having very good performance at 1440p, I wonder what it is about my setup or configuration that's different from others who have issues.

Here's a list of games off the top of my head I've played though without issue since I got it. It might be interesting if anyone else is having problems with any of these to compare.

Spyro Reignited Trilogy
Gears of War 1, 4 & 5
GTA 5
Skyrim
Black Mesa
Trine 4
Soma
Superhot
The Outer Worlds
Halo Reach Anniversary
Metro 2033 Redux
Metro Last Light Redux
Metro Exodus
Yakuza 0
Vampyr
Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice
Resident Evil 2 Remake
Sunset Overdrive
ReCore
A Plague Tale Innocence

BloodBath

I wonder if it's a hardware problem. Bad batch of silicon or certain board partners.

cherryghost

Had blackscreen problems with Outer Wilds, Dota 2, Borderlands 3, Modern Warfare.

Dont think I've seen issue on other games.

daheadonu

Encountered this with nioh a few time although hasn't happened in a good while, along with 1 weird one where game crashed and radeon software uninstalled itself...

z0oT

This doesn't seem to be exclusive to Navi only either - I see people on Reddit reporting issues who have either a Radeon VII or a Vega. Seems it's more down to the 2020 driver release in general.

At this stage, if you're having issues, it's probably just best to roll back to 19.12.1 or whichever was stable before and just wait it out. Maybe go for a WQHL version for good measure.

It's a bit of a disaster, but if you're not playing the latest games then you should be fine on the older driver for another while.

OSI wrote: »

Out of your list the only 2 I played while I had the 5700 XT were GTA 5 and The Outer Worlds. GTA 5 ran worse than it did on my GTX 970s, and the Outer Worlds had frequent frame drops and a ~20% chance of starting into a black screen requiring a kill and restart.

GTA 5 definitely runs much better than on the 1070 I had before. The 1070 would have had drops into the 40's at 1440p, which the XT doesn't.

The Outer Worlds, performance was fine (not earth shattering) ~60 fps @ 1440p usually. I had crashes to the desktop when you would exit the ship, but really only one per 3/4 hours of gaming. I put it down to the game initially, but it seemed to be an AMD thing as it turned out.

Kimbot

It would be interesting to see which exact version of the 5700xt is experiencing issues to see if its a manufacturer thing etc.

BloodBath

What model of cards do you guys have that are having issues?

Mine is the XFX DD 5700.

Cuddlesworth

BloodBath wrote: »

I wonder if it's a hardware problem. Bad batch of silicon or certain board partners.

Or something else, like a variety of applications that use a specific library.

Homelander

I had a stock Powercolor 5700XT. Nothing but problems. I'd lean towards applications rather than partners or silicon, because almost nothing was flagged in initial reviews, and out of the handful of games I played, most were OK.

But...

To me, if a card works well 85% of the time, but falters 15% of the time, in terms of games played, that is still a 100% useless card because it cannot be relied upon. 5700 in a nutshell for me.

Cuddlesworth

Homelander wrote: »

To me, if a card works well 85% of the time, but falters 15% of the time, in terms of games played, that is still a 100% useless card because it cannot be relied upon. 5700 in a nutshell for me.

Now that AMD is ramping up with the 5600, it's pretty clear its a Navi issue as tons more reports of blackscreens and reboots roll in.

I think hardware unboxed said it best, for every person that buys one of these cards and has to eventually send it back and pick up a Nvidia product, they didn't just lose a sale on the card, AMD lost a customer.

amadablam

I've been holding off on getting my GPU because of reading these issues on various forums.

Had decided on the 5700xt Sapphire nitro plus SE but now thinking maybe I should buy RTX 2070 Super or something. The GPU and monitor are the most expensive parts of my build, it's hard to ignore the issues

Wonder if it's worth waiting for the new cards or will amd ignore the current cards altogether then.

Such a shame. The sapphire 5700xt seemed to offer a ton of performance.

K.O.Kiki

amadablam wrote: »

I've been holding off on getting my GPU because of reading these issues on various forums.

Had decided on the 5700xt Sapphire nitro plus SE but now thinking maybe I should buy RTX 2070 Super or something. The GPU and monitor are the most expensive parts of my build, it's hard to ignore the issues

Wonder if it's worth waiting for the new cards or will amd ignore the current cards altogether then.

Such a shame. The sapphire 5700xt seemed to offer a ton of performance.

Step down to RTX 2060 Super or GTX 1660 Super and wait for Nvidia 7nm?

amadablam

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Step down to RTX 2060 Super or GTX 1660 Super and wait for Nvidia 7nm?

Thanks K.O.Kiki,

Must check those out. Took your advice on mobo and cpu budget so going to put 500 ish into GPU and about 350+ into 1440p monitor

Pity there seems to be so much inconsistency in reliability on the 5700xt.

Rattlehead_ie

Out of interest.
Where does this leave Sony and M$ seeing as their next-gens are both based on this chipset/design?

BloodBath

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

Out of interest.
Where does this leave Sony and M$ seeing as their next-gens are both based on this chipset/design?

It won't be a problem. They can control the software and hardware environment.

Far less variables for stuff like this to go wrong.

Still the majority of people don't have issues on PC.

K.O.Kiki

AMD releases another pointless card:
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-quietly-launches-radeon-rx-5300-graphics-cards

wotzgoingon

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

AMD releases another pointless card:
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-quietly-launches-radeon-rx-5300-graphics-cards

I'm pretty sure it beats out the 570 at 1080p and is cheaper.

About 6 months too late to be competing against entry level Nvidia stuff.

bobbyy gee

Amd GPU driver problem

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ptDRxBxwUfU#menu

wotzgoingon

bobbyy gee wrote: »

Amd GPU driver problem

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ptDRxBxwUfU#menu

Were you in a coma and just woke up. That video is from five months ago.

Mucashinto

Is it expected that driver issues won’t be a problem with Navi because they will be ironed out for the console releases (as everyone says they are pretty much pcs at this point)? Or do they not necessarily cross over?

Thinking a “6070 xt” gpu is my best chance of getting something I’m happy with next gen but the previous issues would be a no-no for me despite some people seemingly getting on okay. Thanks

2ndcoming

I've had a 5600XT since about April and I haven't had any driver issues since I did a proper DDU uninstall of all the older AMD drivers on my system (the 5600xt replaced an RX480) about a week or two after I got it. Was getting crashes and disappointing FPS but performance jumped hugely once I had that sorted.

It was a totally new architecture launch with the 5700xt so it's pretty common for there to be teething problems for early adopters of any new tech but with user reported issues there would be a pretty large number of them that like mine were up to themselves to figure out / fix. Once it's fixed they don't tend to be as quick to go shouting that on forums though.

EoinHef

From reading around I can't see anything concrete about RDNA 2 other than it was supposed to be locked into a 2020 release. Has there been any rumors of an announcement? I can't find anything recent

EoinHef

EoinHef wrote: »

From reading around I can't see anything concrete about RDNA 2 other than it was supposed to be locked into a 2020 release. Has there been any rumors of an announcement? I can't find anything recent

After console launch no?