Most gender equal countries have the unhappiest women?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/young-women-in-ireland-have-the-highest-levels-of-depression-in-europe-38284236.html

Study after study seems to show this. Here it's Ireland Sweden Denmark and Germany. These are all very gender equal countries. Is it because they can speak out more, or is it because more equality makes women miserable? Genuinely interested.

GRACKEA

I think it definitely could be the fact that people are more aware and vocal about their mental health. I know my mam and nanny's generations would have just called depressive feelings "life" tbh.

The article cites homelessness and lack of access to supports as factors too which I'm surprised about in the Scandi countries.

Modern life is also way more stressful than it ever was. Economic conditions are objectively worse in a lot of cases for the so called first generation to be worse off than their parents. At least back in the day, families and mothers never really had to worry about where they'd live even if their domestic or working lives were crap.

And lack of sunlight for loads of the year perhaps. It's all very complicated and a v worrying trend.

Silentcorner

I think social media has had a huge impact on the lives of women in particular, you can see it on your feeds, we are in a narcissism epidemic.

I think the access to porn and online gambling is having a huge impact on the lives of young men.

We haven't yet figured out a healthy way to consume content/activities on our mobile phones...we are addicted to them.

CageWager

Its because while nobody wants to admit it, men are at their happiest when providing for their families and women are at their happiest when they are caring for their families. We can try impose (albeit noble) ideologies and engineer social frameworks but ultimately we can’t escape our own nature.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/young-women-in-ireland-have-the-highest-levels-of-depression-in-europe-38284236.html

Study after study seems to show this. Here it's Ireland Sweden Denmark and Germany. These are all very gender equal countries. Is it because they can speak out more, or is it because more equality makes women miserable? Genuinely interested.

Because they are trying to be men and expecting men to be women ...and this is impossible.

GRACKEA

GRACKEA wrote: »

I think it definitely could be the fact that people are more aware and vocal about their mental health. I know my mam and nanny's generations would have just called depressive feelings "life" tbh.

worth asking if they werent better off

ILoveYourVibes

Silentcorner wrote: »

I think social media has had a huge impact on the lives of women in particular, you can see it on your feeds, we are in a narcissism epidemic.

I think the access to porn and online gambling is having a huge impact on the lives of young men.

We haven't yet figured out a healthy way to consume content/activities on our mobile phones...we are addicted to them.

I don't really believe porn and gambling is having an impact on the lives of young men.

Very few men actually are regular gamblers.

Most porn viewing would be harmless. I think that is fear mongering.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

worth asking if they werent better off

I actually think women of my grandmother's generations were more expressive in their emotions.

Women these days think they have to be strong etc. Fighters. Stoic in the wrong ways.

GarIT

I've noticed that in the last 5 years women's dating expectations are going way up and they aren't offering much in return. Its only my anecdotal evidence but I've met many women lately that expect that outside the home they expect everything to be paid for and handed to them and inside the home we are equal partners now so we both do half of everything. Essentially they want traditional relationships where it suits them and equal relationships where it suits them.

I've friends that have come out with things like "if a man wants to date me he needs to do X, y and z". And another time they will say something like "nothing should be expected of women it's 2019 and were equal now".

We are seeing so many more attractive people and "perfect" relationships that average people are struggling with their relationships. Some women I know are always disappointed with their relationships but feel they aren't responsible for adding any value to the relationship.

mvl

yeah, very independent-esque: an article about studies on young women & depression having a picture of a 50 year old ... that gets discussed here on boards with a gender equality flavor !!!

ILoveYourVibes

GarIT wrote: »

I've noticed that in the last 5 years women's dating expectations are going way up and they aren't offering much in return. Its only my anecdotal evidence but I've met many women lately that expect that outside the home they expect everything to be paid for and handed to them and inside the home we are equal partners now so we both do half of everything. Essentially they want traditional relationships where it suits them and equal relationships where it suits them.

We are seeing so many more attractive people and "perfect" relationships that average people are struggling with their relationships.

I don't want people to pay for anything. Just take the lead etc.

meeeeh

Deleted User wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/young-women-in-ireland-have-the-highest-levels-of-depression-in-europe-38284236.html

Study after study seems to show this. Here it's Ireland Sweden Denmark and Germany. These are all very gender equal countries. Is it because they can speak out more, or is it because more equality makes women miserable? Genuinely interested.

This is complete misrepresentation of what research shows. They were evaluating effects of recession on the European youth and young adults. It's primarily about access to mental health services. As far as I can see no research was correlated to gender equality. Another variable could be use of social media (I think Irish are on the top of the list), Challenges of young people after the recession and multiple other causes. Gender equality could be one of them but I can't see any conclusion like that except in your post.

I know this is After Hours but please don't treat all of us like complete idiots unable to see that there is zero implication in the report for your conclusion. Not to mention that you just dismissed all women above 24 irrelevant. Don't you think that influence of gender equality on happiness of people should be also researched on those older than 24?

https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/news/news-articles/crisis-point-well-being-of-young-people-still-defined-by-the-economic-crisis

JohnnyFlash

Individualism, the death of spirituality, and the consumer society is making everyone miserable.

spurious

It's the Independent.

Always best to go to the source research paper and find out what they actually said.

Or get your news from the Beano. It's probably more sensible.

GarIT

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I don't want people to pay for anything. Just take the lead etc.

It's difficult to take the lead when the other person will only follow your lead when it suits them. I'm not saying anything about you in particular, it's just another thing I've come across.

ILoveYourVibes

spurious wrote: »

It's the Independent.

Always best to go to the source research paper and find out what they actually said.

Or get your news from the Beano. It's probably more sensible.

I am an avid VIZ reader :pac:

Nikki Sixx

They have to work and don’t see there kids I’d imagine. In countries with equality like Ireland, both parents have to work to service a mortgage/ rent and that has become the norm. You then have huge childcare costs on top of accommodation costs. In the 80’s when there were a lot of stay at home mums, one salary would cover the mortgage, houses were more affordable and kids spent a lot of time with their mothers. If you take all of the women working in Ireland nowadays, probably a small percentage “Love” their job, the rest would happily be at home with their kids.

meeeeh

Different article that better represents what research looked at. Binge drinking, inequality, homelessness, cyber bullying, body image and active lifestyle were all looked at. Strangely nobody actually made any conclusions about gender equality.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/young-irish-women-suffer-highest-levels-of-depression-in-europe-1.3947527

meeeeh

Nikki Sixx wrote: »

They have to work and don’t see there kids I’d imagine. In countries with equality like Ireland, both parents have to work to service a mortgage/ rent and that has become the norm. You then have huge childcare costs on top of accommodation costs. In the 80’s when there were a lot of stay at home mums, one salary would cover the mortgage, houses were more affordable and kids spent a lot of time with their mothers. If you take all of the women working in Ireland nowadays, probably a small percentage “Love” their job, the rest would happily be at home with their kids.

Did you even read the basics. It's about the 14-24 age group. How many of them are actually dealing with the issues you pointed out.

I'm not surprised if Trump or Brexit can happen if this the level of checking what the research is actually about.

Reviews and Books Galore

meeeeh wrote: »

This is complete misrepresentation of what research shows. They were evaluating effects of recession on the European youth and young adults. It's primarily about access to mental health services. As far as I can see no research was correlated to gender equality. Another variable could be use of social media (I think Irish are on the top of the list), Challenges of young people after the recession and multiple other causes. Gender equality could be one of them but I can't see any conclusion like that except in your post.

I know this is After Hours but please don't treat all of us like complete idiots unable to see that there is zero implication in the report for your conclusion. Not to mention that you just dismissed all women above 24 irrelevant. Don't you think that influence of gender equality on happiness of people should be also researched on those older than 24?

https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/news/news-articles/crisis-point-well-being-of-young-people-still-defined-by-the-economic-crisis

For somebody asking not to be treated like an idiot, your kind of treating the poster like one :P

Although, most people in their mid twenties get melancholic as its a transitory time.

ILoveYourVibes

meeeeh wrote: »

Different article that better represents what research looked at. Binge drinking, inequality, homelessness, cyber bullying, body image and active lifestyle were all looked at. Strangely nobody actually made any conclusions about gender equality.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/young-irish-women-suffer-highest-levels-of-depression-in-europe-1.3947527

Agreed those things are bad too.

meeeeh

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

For somebody asking not to be treated like an idiot, your kind of treating the poster like one :P

Although, most people in their mid twenties get melancholic as its a transitory time.

Not like an idiot but like someone who takes a report and twists it and misrepresents it to suit their agenda.

dotsman

Ask yourself this - "Have you ever met a happy feminist?"

Modern Feminism has become about trying to convince women that they have everything so bad and it's all men's fault.

CelticRambler

I work in a sector that was traditionally male-dominated, but has become increasingly feminised over the years. The essential nature of the work, however, has not changed significantly - typically long days, often unpredictable, swinging from being intellectually and emotionally challenging to physically challenging and back again, often several times in the space of a few hours.

Over the course of 25 years, as reported by several industry studies, the level of job satisfaction has steadily decreased and the rate of people quitting the profession has steadily increased. Is it because women make up more of our workforce? Well, my own personal experience suggests that that's an undoubted yes. I now work only short-term contracts (by choice), and every single one of the last 18 has been to replace one woman causing another woman a load of stress, arising from a conflict of personal and professional demands.

As one of my long-time friends in the same profession remarked recently: thanks to a combination of university entrance criteria and sexing up the profession in the media, we've been deliberately selecting the wrong kind of people for the job - white, middle-class, well-educated, young women. That's an awful lot of women in my field alone who are pretty miserable on account of achieving professional equality.

Das Reich

Those countries have also a horrible alimentation with people being very americanized and unhealthy.

ILoveYourVibes

dotsman wrote: »

Ask yourself this - "Have you ever met a happy feminist?"

Modern Feminism has become about trying to convince women that they have everything so bad and it's all men's fault.

I disagree. feminism wants to convince women that any improvement in their lives is down to feminism and not the advance of democracy the economy and technology/science etc.

ILoveYourVibes

Das Reich wrote: »

Those countries have also a horrible alimentation with people being very americanized and unhealthy.

Very true. Too individualistic. Less focus on trying to achieve harmony with other people around you.

meeeeh

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Very true. Too individualistic. Less focus on trying to achieve harmony with other people around you.

Oh it's Friday again.

mvl

meeeeh wrote: »

Different article that better represents what research looked at. Binge drinking, inequality, homelessness, cyber bullying, body image and active lifestyle were all looked at. Strangely nobody actually made any conclusions about gender equality.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/young-irish-women-suffer-highest-levels-of-depression-in-europe-1.3947527

This.
@ 15 I am sure they're far into getting the politics of gender inequality ... but it is important for us to hear why our kids are like that.
PS: also think thread title could be changed, it has nothing to do with the article from OP.

meeeeh

mvl wrote: »

This.
@ 15 I am sure they're far into getting the politics of gender inequality ... but it is important for us to hear why our kids are like that.
PS: also think thread title could be changed, it has nothing to do with the article from OP.

Yes its pity because it and interesting and important topic. I might be a bit more interested in because my older will be part of that group in 5 years. The challenges around mental health in young worry me.

Eric Cartman

Is it just me or are a lot of younger women lost i indecision. Almost all of the men I know would have chosen a career to trainfor at 17-18 and stuck to it or changed up career maybe once in their 30s , but it seems like younger women are constantly changing jobs (as in to different sectors alltogether) , bopping in and out of college or being on and off stay at home mothers. Its obviously not all women but theres a lot out there that have been in the ‘labour market’ for 10-15 years now and have no linear or stackable skills and have put no time into building a career, more just trying lots of things out and being upset that its not like they thought it would be.

Perhaps too much choice is a bad thing ha