Deer Poaching

HW100S

Hello All

I'll try & keep this as direct as possible.

Background information:

My hunting situation is I’m not involved in deer stalking (at the moment anyway) and my main hunting activities are rough shooting & vermin (fox & rabbit) control - the latter normally takes place after dark on various farms and private lands where I have permission to enter and hunt.
Calibre of choice is either 223 or 17HMR depending on the different locations/requirement.
Some of my permissions are close to areas where deer are supposed to be present, despite the fact but I have never seen any. This has led to some conversation recently with some fellow hunters on the topic of deer poaching.

Anyway, to shorten the story, I have received some feedback recently from different individuals stating that I 'need to be careful' when out at night in these areas with a rifle & torch as this could be considered poaching? It’s been stated that wildlife rangers are monitoring these areas including public roadways presently to prevent alleged poaching (which I’m totally in favour of btw). It has also been stated that the wildlife rangers have the power to seize firearms, torches etc. if poaching is suspected and that just being in the area/public road ways alone is grounds for suspected poaching. Again??
My initial reaction that this is B***S but it’s been on my mind since, especially since I am considering getting into deer stalking with a 243 potentially, which will act as a dual purpose deer & fox set-up. This was also relayed back as being a red flag that a deer legal calibre i.e. 243 is unnecessary for fox control. Again, I disagree as some of the fields on my permissions are very large so a 243 is justified in certain instances.

So where can I find the correct information on the above?

Who has the power to seize firearms, equipment etc. and on what grounds?

I want to continue my vermin hunting activities on my permissions but I also want to be 100% that I’m not doing anything that is considered incorrect.


Is all of the above scare mongering rubbish or has it any substance to it?


Any thought/comments on the above?



Thanks

Half-cocked

Do no harm to contact the local NPWS ranger for a chat about it.

HW100S

Half-cocked wrote: »

Do no harm to contact the local NPWS ranger for a chat about it.

Good idea.

NPWS: is that national parks & wildlife service? and is this the same organisation that a wildlife rangers belongs to?

Grizzly 45

Wildlife act 1976 gives you the bit on authorisation and what may be seized by whom http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1976/act/39/section/72/enacted/en/html#sec72

This was also relayed back as being a red flag that a deer legal calibre i.e. 243 is unnecessary for fox control.

I take it ,this came from someone in uniform??

I have received some feedback recently from different individuals stating that I 'need to be careful' when out at night in these areas with a rifle & torch as this could be considered poaching

Who exactly? AGS or the locals who hunt deer in your area next to your let? Sounds to me more like the usual suspects dont want you to have a .243 and the others dont want you out lamping near their let?
Best course is to have a chat with NPWS and GS on first off the issue of you not being nailed for suspected poaching.Which they can only do if you were literally caught inflagrante and off your let.

cookimonster

HW100S wrote: »

Good idea.

NPWS: is that national parks & wildlife service? and is this the same organisation that a wildlife rangers belongs to?

Yes the wildlife rangers are part of the NPWS.

Going a foot and actively hunting rabbits and foxs at night on your permissions is not illegal, both the NARGC and the NPWS will agree and confirm this. You are not doing anything illegal. Wether or not you chose to use a rimfire or deer legal centre fire has no legal bearing on the general practice of lamping foxs and rabbits and using a deer legal calibre on foxs, as many do, will not red flag you, in fact the preferred calibre of choice by poachers at one stage was the .22 hornet.

Many, many lads inculding myself use deer legal calibres to lamp foxs so it is in itself not an issue. When hunters exercise Sec42 that inculde the use of a lamp it is often a requirement of the licence to notify the local Gaurds and Rangers prior to hunting. Some will not agree with me here but if you are uncomfortable then you can certainly give the local Gaurds a ring. If so be confident and firm, telling them that your letting them know you'll be out on Farmers Murphys and McDonald's to night from such and such an hour to end time. Your not asking thier permission, they have no right to stop you once you are doing nothing wrong.

On the subject of seizure, unless they are arresting you on suspicion of a crime they can not take your guns etc. So again once you work within the regs/laws and common sense there should be no issue.

A few things obviously NO No's.
Trespassing.
Spot lighting protected species (without licence)
Lamping onto another property
Shooting from the road
Shooting within the prohibited distance of roads and around houses (need to look that one up)
Shooting from a mechanicaly propelled vechile (licence won't be issued for hunting, tried it twice, twice refused)
Reckless behaviour (this can be a catch all so mind your p's and q's and your shooting practice)

There's bound to be a few I missed out.

P.S my latest round of licence applications from the NPWS did throw up a conversation with a department head reference the use of vehicles in which the regs were quoted that is was quite acceptable / legal to lamp rabbits and foxs, just not from a motorized vechile.

dodderangler

Mechanically propelled vehicle such as a quad
I would’ve thought that would be ok

HW100S

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Wildlife act 1976 gives you the bit on authorisation and what may be seized by whom http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1976/act/39/section/72/enacted/en/html#sec72

I take it ,this came from someone in uniform??

Who exactly? AGS or the locals who hunt deer in your area next to your let? Sounds to me more like the usual suspects dont want you to have a .243 and the others dont want you out lamping near their let?
Best course is to have a chat with NPWS and GS on first off the issue of you not being nailed for suspected poaching.Which they can only do if you were literally caught inflagrante and off your let.

Brilliant information there in wildlife act, fairly well spelled out in black and white.

A lot of this is coming from a fellow hunter who said he received the information form wild deer Ireland. I know second hand information etc etc but it frustrated the hell out of me when ill informed individuals, who have influence within gun clubs, speak their mind causing others to believe something that is not correct is now the law.
At least I know now what material to reference when trying to debate this.

I know this post probably sounds like a pile of s**te but it's not the first time I have encountered this topic.

cookimonster wrote: »

A few things obviously NO No's.
Trespassing.
Spot lighting protected species (without licence)
Lamping onto another property
Shooting from the road
Shooting within the prohibited distance of roads and around houses (need to look that one up)
Shooting from a mechanicaly propelled vechile (licence won't be issued for hunting, tried it twice, twice refused)
Reckless behaviour (this can be a catch all so mind your p's and q's and your shooting practice)

Agree 100% with you

cookimonster

dodderangler wrote: »

Mechanically propelled vehicle such as a quad
I would’ve thought that would be ok

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1976/act/39/section/36/enacted/en/html

Wildlife Act, 1976

36.—(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section but subject to section 42, a person shall not hunt or disturb for the purpose of hunting—

(a) any protected wild animal by means of a mechanically-propelled vehicle, vessel or aircraft, whether it is being so propelled or is stationary,

(b) any protected wild bird by means of such a vehicle, vessel or aircraft while it is being so propelled.



Licence For Use of a Mechanicaly Propelled Vehicle


https://www.npws.ie/licences/education-and-science/hunt-using-mechanically-propelled-vehicle

Section 36: To Hunt Using a Mechanically Propelled Vehicle for Educational, Scientific or Other Purposes

The Minister is empowered, under Section 36(2) of the Wildlife Acts 1976 – 2018, to grant licences to hunt using a mechanically propelled vehicle specifically for ‘Educational, Scientific or Other Purposes’. It is not possible to issue a licence to hunt unprotected animals, such as foxes and rabbits using a mechanically propelled vehicle except for ‘Educational, Scientific or other Purposes’. However you are free to hunt unprotected animals, such as foxes and rabbits, including at night using lamps subject to landowner permission being obtained prior to entering on lands. However no such hunting can be carried out during the day or at night using a mechanically propelled vehicle.

cookimonster

HW100S,

Absolutely agree with your comment on the uninformed, I've had this with the bird derogation and Sec 42 use of lamps etc. Now we all get it wrong at some stage, me more often, but some of the bull**** I've seen spouted is down right lies formulated out of ignorance or down right misdirection by arseholes.

garv123

cookimonster wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1976/act/39/section/36/enacted/en/html

Wildlife Act, 1976

36.—(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section but subject to section 42, a person shall not hunt or disturb for the purpose of hunting—

(a) any protected wild animal by means of a mechanically-propelled vehicle, vessel or aircraft, whether it is being so propelled or is stationary,

(b) any protected wild bird by means of such a vehicle, vessel or aircraft while it is being so propelled.



Licence For Use of a Mechanicaly Propelled Vehicle

This is the same bit they use to say lamping from a vehicle is illegal, because part of the definition of hunting is "to search for" but yet plenty people drive around in day light, and use binos to check fields.. so technically if you dont get out of the vehicle/off the quad, its illegal to look for deer.

dodderangler

Funny you mention the poaching as I found a deer skin up in the field close to where I shot the fox last night. And this land had plenty of deer on it. Not so much now.

J.R.

HW100S wrote: »

Good idea.

NPWS: is that national parks & wildlife service? and is this the same organisation that a wildlife rangers belongs to?

contact details here

https://www.npws.ie/about-npws/npws-regional-management/npws-regions-and-dco-county

cookimonster

garv123 wrote: »

This is the same bit they use to say lamping from a vehicle is illegal, because part of the definition of hunting is "to search for" but yet plenty people drive around in day light, and use binos to check fields.. so technically if you dont get out of the vehicle/off the quad, its illegal to look for deer.

Not quite:

Wildlife Act, 1976

Definitions. 2.—(1) In this Act—

hunt” means stalk, pursue, chase, drive, flush, capture, course, attract, follow, search for, lie in wait for, take, trap or shoot by any means whether with or without dogs, and, except in sections 28 and 29, includes killing in the course of hunting, but does not in this Act include stalking, attracting, searching for or lying in wait for any fauna by an unarmed person solely for the purpose of watching or of taking or making photographic or other pictures, and kindred words shall be construed accordingly;

While

Use of lamps, mirrors etc. in hunting prohibited.

38.—Any person who uses any lamp, light, torch, mirror or other artificial light-reflecting or dazzling device or appliance in hunting any protected wild bird or protected wild animal, otherwise than while either—

(a) attaching thereto any band, ring, tag or other marking device, or
(b) hunting for educational or scientific purposes,

pursuant to and in accordance with a licence granted under this Act by the Minister, shall be guilty of an offence.

So effectively once you are just 'watching or of taking or making photographic or other pictures, and kindred words shall be construed accordingly;' your okay. Couple this with the best practice stating the obvious:

4. During transport, firearms must always be stored
in a case/sleeve, out of sight in a locked vehicle boot. They should not be immediately accessible to the driver or any passenger.
5. No gun should be loaded with ammunition while travelling to or from a shoot.
6. Where possible, rifle bolts and shotgun fore ends, pistol top slides and magazines should be removed and kept separately.
7. A firearm should never be left inside the seating area of a vehicle: whether occupied or unattended.

.....it would be very hard for a third party to jump to the conclusion that you were 'hunting' from a vehicle.

On the other hand if you were driving about with guns in the passenger area it would be a little difficult for you to argue against such an accusation.

The pigeon man

After reading this I don't think you're doing anything wrong so carry on with your shooting. Don't worry about rangers you are not breaking the law.

If you are using a fox caller make sure you have a section 35 license. It seems that many hunters aren't aware of the need for this.

dodderangler

The pigeon man wrote: »

After reading this I don't think you're doing anything wrong so carry on with your shooting. Don't worry about rangers you are not breaking the law.

If you are using a fox caller make sure you have a section 35 license. It seems that many hunters aren't aware of the need for this.

Is that not just for electronic callers? Surely you don’t need a licence to squeak with your hand or even a homemade tenter field

Grizzly 45

BTW Anyone know what the distance is to not be classified as "shooting from" a vechicle unser Irish law?

cookimonster

The pigeon man wrote: »

.....If you are using a fox caller make sure you have a section 35 license. It seems that many hunters aren't aware of the need for this.

Where exactly is the reg for this?

Foxs, unlike all wild birds who are protected under the Acts are NOT given protection under the section dealing with the Enforcement of protection of wild animals (other than wild birds). -
'23.—(1) Subject to subsection (2) hereof, this section applies to any animal which is of a species of fauna specified in the Fifth Schedule to this Act'

and are not listed on the Fifth Schedule- detailing animals referred to in Section 23.

Section 35 of the Wildlife Act , deals with-

'Certain use of scarecrows, decoys birdcalls and calls of wild mammals restricted'.
In particular the following sections-
"35.—(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section, but subject to section 42, a person shall not—
(d) use an electrical or other instrument or appliance (including recording apparatus) emitting or imitating birdcalls or the calls of wild mammals for the purpose of hunting a protected wild bird or a protected wild animal which is a mammal.'

I draw attention to the underlined and bolded wording in sub section d 'protected wild animal . So if the Fox is not listed under the Fifth schedule then they don't come under the protection of the meaning of 'protected wild animal and therefore the use of calls of any kind for fox are not prohibited.

cookimonster

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

BTW Anyone know what the distance is to not be classified as "shooting from" a vechicle unser Irish law?

As far as I know it does not cover this but once you are not in the vechile, in any sense of the word, for those thinking of the bed of a pick up truck or similar, your covered. Wether or not you can prop yourself up on the bonnet or boot etc I don't know if common sense would evail here from the perspective of an interested party.

Edited
Just reading over the Act and to be honest the words 'by means of' , (definition -with the help of; by using ) could be construed as to using a mechcainicly propelled vechile in any way, even that of a rest or to steady yourself.

The pigeon man

Unfortunately Cookimonster this has been since amended.

Section 35 of the Wildife act 1976 states that person shall not;

(d) use an electrical or other instrument or appliance (including recording apparatus) emitting or imitating birdcalls or the calls of wild mammals for the purpose of hunting a protected wild bird or a protected wild animal which is a mammal.

The Wildlife (Amendment) Act, 2000 states that section 35 of the Principal Act is hereby amended;

(iii) by the substitution of the following for paragraph (d):

“(d) use an electrical or other instrument or appliance (including recording apparatus) emitting sound, for the purpose of hunting any wild bird or any wild animal.”,

So yes if you want to use a caller to hunt any wild animal or bird you will need a license under section 35 of the wildlife act 1976.

This means you need a license to use a caller to hunt foxes.

J.R.

https://nargc.ie/predator-control-and-the-law/

NARGC website

Predator Control And The Law

By Dr. David Scallan


Conservation News
8th September 2015
Predator Control And The Law
Posted By: Web Admin 57693 Views
By Dr. David Scallan



Introduction

Predator control has been a well-known part of game management for centuries. For Gun Clubs, the objective is to suppress numerically common species known to be predators of gamebirds and mammals. In most cases, these include fox, grey crow, magpie, grey squirrel, mink and rat. The laws governing predator control, particularly in regard to the specific licences and derogations, are sometimes misunderstood and the legislation often changes. Indeed some of the laws may come as a surprise to some Gun Club members! This article attempts to clarify some of the legalities associated with predator control and provides information on licensing for particular activities.



Use of fox/crow callers & crow decoys

Section 35 (1) (d) of the Wildlife Acts 1976 to 2012 states that a person shall not – use an electrical or other instrument or appliance (including recording apparatus) emitting sound, for the purpose of hunting any wild bird or any wild animal. The use of the term “…or other instrument…” obviously does not restrict the definition to electrically operated instruments/appliances only. For example, metal and plastic callers and possibly even polystyrene rubbed against a window could be interpreted as an “instrument or appliance” under the legislation. Calling a fox with one’s mount, however, would be acceptable.



In effect, this means that it is illegal to use callers for grey crow, magpie and fox. However, Section 35 (4) allows the Minister to grant a licence to a person to use an instrument or appliance emitting sound for the purpose of repelling, scaring or capturing any wild bird or any wild animal for scientific research or for another purpose approved of by the Minister. Note that the legislation refers to “repelling, scaring or capturing” and does not say for the purpose of killing.

In this context, the wording of the license application is important and the author is aware that licenses have been refused to applicants seeking to use electric callers “to assist in controlling corvids and foxes”. However, the author is aware of applicants being granted a license to “assist in the identification of these species” as part of a predator control programme.

cookimonster

The Pigeon Man
Ahhh I see and thank you for that.
The ever present amendments that they don't seem to publish as a whole Act (not that I can find).

'the Minister to grant a licence to a person to use an instrument or appliance emitting sound for the purpose of repelling, scaring or capturing any wild bird or any wild animal for scientific research or for another purpose' 

The Minister is empowered, under Section 36(2) of the Wildlife Acts 1976 – 2018, to grant licences to hunt using a mechanically propelled vehicle specifically for ‘Educational, Scientific or Other Purposes’. It is not possible to issue a licence to hunt unprotected animals, such as foxes and rabbits using a mechanically propelled vehicle except for ‘Educational, Scientific or other Purposes’. 

I've highlighted 'other Purposes' in the above passages because of the contradictions in the legislation and the licences. I've spoken to the issuing authorities in the NPWS reference the use of vechiles for hunting fox and rabbits to be qouted the same thing -
'It is not possible to issue a licence to hunt unprotected animals, such as foxes and rabbits using a mechanically propelled vehicle'.

Yet it clearly states-
The Minister is empowered,.......to grant licences to hunt using a mechanically propelled vehicle specifically for...... or Other Purposes’..

So clearly preditor control (foxs) and vermin control (rabbits) are not deemed 'Other Purposes'.

Has any one being issued with a licence for a fox call?

Rows Grower

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/wildlife-crime-in-ireland-increasing-with-deer-at-huge-risk-951298.html

Some people are making huge money from poaching according to this article.

cookimonster

I'll agree with the topic and the inferance of the threat to deer population, but the article is a sensationalist piece of journalist clap trap.
The dramatic descriptions ' powerful spotlight lamps were used to confuse and blind them. Powerful vehicles were also being used. are horse manure.
Anyone who has lamped animals for the purpose of shooting knows that animals are not confused and blinded. You can easily watch animals comfortably go around thier buisness while under the spotlight. For those who may be reading this and are not familiar with the practice. The lamp is used to spot, identify and aid in the aiming of the firearm. A bunny, fox or deer for that matter doesn't start acting all confused and run around in circles blinded by the light. In most cases the light used is red and has little or no effect on the animal. If an animal bolts when a light is put on them it is usually down to the fact that they have been lamped and shot at before and ate now weary of the situation.
I was out lamping foxes the other night and came across a multitude of rabbits that once we were up wind of them we could walk right past them lamping them as we did. The same night we came across several deer in with the cattle happily grazing away as we swept the field.

I'm not dismissing the threat to deer but just thought it should be put right to those who are not in the know.

..... PS what about all the stalkers who drive Suzuki Jimmeys and the Renault Belingos.... not particularly high powered cars..:o

Cass

cookimonster wrote: »

PS what about all the stalkers who drive Suzuki Jimmeys and the Renault Belingos.... not particularly high powered cars..:o

Because reality is not as interesting as fiction and doesn't sell as many papers.

Grizzly 45

Urging the public to report armed illegal hunters who are running down wild deer and often bludgeoning them to death in the Irish countryside.

Holy Fuk! What are these guys?? Cyberdine industries Terminator T 500 models?:eek::eek::eek:Yeah,you'd want to stay well clear of beings who can run at 40 kph,and have enough strength to use a club to smash in a deers skull in with a blunt instrument alright!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

garv123

Isn't this the same crowd who are looking for all hunters to do the Hcap? A few former members from the WDAI?

The pigeon man

In reply to your question about a license for fox callers Cookimonster I can confirm that the NPWS are issuing them.

meathstevie

dodderangler wrote: »

Mechanically propelled vehicle such as a quad
I would’ve thought that would be ok

No, it’s not allowed to use any sort of mechanically propelled vehicle while hunting. Car, tractor, quad,....doesn’t matter.

cookimonster

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...sk-951298.html

.....another poacher spotted in a high powered car!!!

Rows Grower

I got a notification for this post on my phone today and had to tap to download the picture, the people I am working for actually asked me for a look at what made me burst out laughing.

Top class stuff cookimonster, it's one of the funniest post's I ever saw.

Cass

cookimonster wrote: »

.....another poacher spotted in a high powered car!!!

Hope someone got the reg.

Feisar

cookimonster wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1976/act/39/section/36/enacted/en/html

Wildlife Act, 1976

36.—(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section but subject to section 42, a person shall not hunt or disturb for the purpose of hunting—

(a) any protected wild animal by means of a mechanically-propelled vehicle, vessel or aircraft, whether it is being so propelled or is stationary,

(b) any protected wild bird by means of such a vehicle, vessel or aircraft while it is being so propelled.



Licence For Use of a Mechanicaly Propelled Vehicle


https://www.npws.ie/licences/education-and-science/hunt-using-mechanically-propelled-vehicle

Section 36: To Hunt Using a Mechanically Propelled Vehicle for Educational, Scientific or Other Purposes

The Minister is empowered, under Section 36(2) of the Wildlife Acts 1976 – 2018, to grant licences to hunt using a mechanically propelled vehicle specifically for ‘Educational, Scientific or Other Purposes’. It is not possible to issue a licence to hunt unprotected animals, such as foxes and rabbits using a mechanically propelled vehicle except for ‘Educational, Scientific or other Purposes’. However you are free to hunt unprotected animals, such as foxes and rabbits, including at night using lamps subject to landowner permission being obtained prior to entering on lands. However no such hunting can be carried out during the day or at night using a mechanically propelled vehicle.

So ducks from a boat are illegal?

cookimonster

Feisar wrote: »

So ducks from a boat are illegal?

AFAIK once the boat is moored / stationary you can shoot from it.

solarwinds

cookimonster wrote: »

Feisar wrote: »

So ducks from a boat are illegal?

AFAIK once the boat is moored / stationary you can shoot from it.

Nope whether it is moving or stationary you still cannot shoot from it, as per 36 b above.

solarwinds

I cannot edit that for some reason. I asked that before and i was told that it did not matter, if the vehicle has the capability to be mechanically propelled then it was no. I dont know how you would fair out if it was oars only. Is that still mechanically propelled ?

The pigeon man

solarwinds wrote: »

I cannot edit that for some reason. I asked that before and i was told that it did not matter, if the vehicle has the capability to be mechanically propelled then it was no. I dont know how you would fair out if it was oars only. Is that still mechanically propelled ?

If it doesn't have a motor or engine it's not mechanically propelled. So you should be alright for the purpose of this act.

Same as you can ride around a field on a bicycle or horse back without a special license to hunt from a mechanically propelled vehicle.

garv123

solarwinds wrote: »

Nope whether it is moving or stationary you still cannot shoot from it, as per 36 b above.

Yes you can, when its not being propelled.. So stop the boat and fire away.

(b) any protected wild bird by means of such a vehicle, vessel or aircraft while it is being so propelled.

Grizzly 45

Belive the NARGC issued a statement on this a few years ago.
You can also let the boat drift and hunt like that.What the act is " meaning" is literally running the engine and persuing waterfowl.Not using the outboard to get to your lot,anchor,tilt the motor out of the water,and convert the boat to a duck blind etc. It would be ridicilous and literally life threatning to expect you to go out on a body of water with just oars and have to row ashore if the weather changed ot an incident occured.

cookimonster

My bad, I thought there was a provision to the act for boats....

.... but as it says:
"any protected wild animal by means of a mechanically-propelled vehicle, vessel or aircraft, whether it is being so propelled or is stationary,'
....there you go!

I would assume that all the lads heading out in boats on the lakes for the 1st of Sept are motoring to land fall or shallow spots for the rising sun.

cookimonster

cookimonster wrote: »

My bad, I thought there was a provision to the act for boats....

.... but as it says:
"any protected wild animal by means of a mechanically-propelled vehicle, vessel or aircraft, whether it is being so propelled or is stationary,'
....there you go!

I would assume that all the lads heading out in boats on the lakes for the 1st of Sept are motoring to land fall or shallow spots for the rising sun.

Jez, I can't keep up with the posts.

So a relook at the Act says this:

(b) any protected wild bird by means of such a vehicle, vessel or aircraft while it is being so propelled.


Sooooo.... you can use a boat stationary or drifting, regardless of whether or not you have an engine, just as long as its not propelling said boat.... head melted

Cass

In that piece of legislation its important to differentiate the two lists of quarry, as garv123 noted above.

Part (A is for wild animals (deer, foxes, rabbits, etc, etc). IOW land based.

Part (B is for birds. (Duck, pheasant, etc)

And before any smart arse tries to nit pick and ask can you drive around in a car,/jeep, etc, stop, and shoot a pheasant or other land based bird (as vehicle is no longer propelled) i'll remind you that common sense is a cheap commodity, and this is a public forum.

madmac187

Chaps poaching deer is a serious issue where I live tbh. To the pitch that a guy put a round in the ground near where I stood because he was put out of a farm that I had permission. No joke. Foreigners in a certain range in the midlands are poaching like wild fire also. And I do know one particular c**t who has a Facebook page for stalking and he is the biggest one of all and is not welcome in my locality or any adjoining area, as he avidly tells people tall tails about other hunters to get them out of farms/lets. In fact he did it to one person and didn’t realise shooter and farmer were father and son in law. Guys do pay mortgages with this craic and I find it reprehensible that people do that and a guy like me find it hard to get deer as where I go gets lorried at night.

Cass

Swear to God, i bet i know who you are talking about.

madmac187 wrote: »

Foreigners in a certain range in the midlands are poaching like wild fire also.

as he avidly tells people tall tails about other hunters to get them out of farms/lets. In fact he did it to one person and didn’t realise shooter and farmer were father and son in law.

in the case of the second point he done the same to me and a mate. Threatened to report us to the "land owner" for poaching and trespassing without knowing the lad i was with was the land owner.

Done it a second time to me and when i challenged him for his right to shoot there the name he gave was the chap that used to own the land, but sold it years ago. I went to the new land owner, after the sale to continue permission whereas he didn't even know it was sold. So guess who was actually trespassing!

madmac187

Cass wrote: »

Swear to God, i bet i know who you are talking about.


in the case of the second point he done the same to me and a mate. Threatened to report us to the "land owner" for poaching and trespassing without knowing the lad i was with was the land owner.

Done it a second time to me and when i challenged him for his right to shoot there the name he gave was the chap that used to own the land, but sold it years ago. I went to the new land owner, he didn't even know it was sold. So guess who was actually trespassing!

He’s a scumbag, a lot of people do not like him. He’s all over the place at it tbh.

Rows Grower

I had a fella who is a member here contact me by private message asking about the deer shooting around where I live. It turned out some neighbours of his are old friends of mine. Long story short I invited him to call to my home and arranged some shooting for him. He brought a friend too, no big deal. They were happy out with their successful evening.

The one request I made crystal clear was that if he was ever intending to shoot that permission again he let me know in advance, for obvious reasons.

About a month later he was caught carrying a stag back to his van by one of the landowners, he used my name to smooth his deceit.

Knowing he had been caught by the balls and that I would know, he rang me the following day to give his side of the story. The French tourist with him was delighted that he had shot his first stag he told me, and not only that the same French man would pay me well to take him salmon fishing.

I reminded him about my request and he had the cheek to tell me "that's why I'm ringing you now because we were going to go again in the morning."

Some people mistake kindness for weakness, big mistake.

He was told in no uncertain terms that he is not welcome there or in any area near it again.

He, thanks be to God, is the only person I have ever encountered through shooting that lacked integrity and sportsmanship.

Greed is a curse.

solarwinds

Any point in reporting to the GS or NPWS

madmac187

Local club chairman shooting a farmers animal while lamping, then blaming another member until all comes to light and then telling people no one from the club did it but saying we will just let the club to pay for it to avoid hassle. Ever hear the like. So I do think unfortunately hunting is on the way out because of the type of people involved, between people that are greedy and have to shoot everything and people that have no respect for anything or anyone. I can’t see my kids at it tbh.

The pigeon man

madmac187 wrote: »

Local club chairman shooting a farmers animal while lamping, then blaming another member until all comes to light and then telling people no one from the club did it but saying we will just let the club to pay for it to avoid hassle. Ever hear the like. So I do think unfortunately hunting is on the way out because of the type of people involved, between people that are greedy and have to shoot everything and people that have no respect for anything or anyone. I can’t see my kids at it tbh.

That's why lads should own up. I've never caused any damage but if I did I'd tell the landowner straight away and sort it thorough insurance or pay myself.

It's one lad like that that gives us a bad name.

Grizzly 45

madmac187 wrote: »

Local club chairman shooting a farmers animal while lamping, then blaming another member until all comes to light and then telling people no one from the club did it but saying we will just let the club to pay for it to avoid hassle. Ever hear the like. So I do think unfortunately hunting is on the way out because of the type of people involved, between people that are greedy and have to shoot everything and people that have no respect for anything or anyone. I can’t see my kids at it tbh.

So did your club call an extradoinary general meeting,and state that in light of recent events and the chairmans behaviour,and having the audacity to say the club will pay for his criminal behaviour.That the club,comittee and floor demands his immediate resignation and expulsion??Or was it the usual "ah shure,it was a once off,dont be makin waves..He's a good man,etc ,etc"
If it was the predictiable in most cases latter,then dont be surprised it it happens again and keeps happening. If people keep covering for others bad behaviour,it will keep happening.People have to really learn to say "NO MORE" alot more in Ireland.It's why we have batterd partners in marrige,kids running rampant,and gob****es like in your above example...Stop covering for and letting people get away with bad behaviour.:mad:

ganmo

I just want to add to the boat chat.
A row boat wouldn't be considered mechanically propelled

dodderangler

Not sure if I mentioned it but around June I found hooves and skins left in open fields up on my permission and no one up there has a section 42.
And the lack of deer lately is shocking. I’ve seen two or 3 does and a pricket.
That’s it.
I’ve a feeling it has to do with the “ new very friendly locals “ that moved in down the road from the land.