Random EV thoughts.....

Kramer

MJohnston wrote: »

Nobody should have to understand SoC — they should just be able to see accurate "time to X%" estimates on their car or the charging point.

Nobody should have to understand kW units and what they mean — instead we should have smart charge point mapping systems in cars that tell you how quickly you can get to X% of charge from the charge points near you or along your route.

Nobody should have to know the rules of various charge point models to understand whether they can plug in yet — it should be clearer than day on the charge point hardware.

The technology to do all of these things is freely available........

That sounds like an add for Tesla & their SuC network :pac:.

Kramer

Black_Knight wrote: »

...if she's in doubt. Birdhill is conveniently placed and all.

Only one of the Applegreen DC units is working & that's often hogged by skinflint Tesla drivers .
She'll be grand on that journey - she'll have a good 20%+ buffer IMO .

the_amazing_raisin

irishgrover wrote: »

don't know what size the batt is on the ID
However I know that motorway speed (and possibly a bit more :-) ) is the difference between 455 and 350 range on my range in a 64kW soul

77kWh, should be plenty to get anywhere

the_amazing_raisin

Black_Knight wrote: »

I've told her to grab her lunch at a charger if she's in doubt. Birdhill is conveniently placed and all.

Did you set the departure SoC in ABRP to 80% by any chance? That might explain the pessimistic results

irishgrover

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

77kWh, should be plenty to get anywhere

ah Jazus, nothing to be worried about!

Black_Knight

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Did you set the departure SoC in ABRP to 80% by any chance? That might explain the pessimistic results

100%.
20kWh/100km at 110km/hr (odd how I've to set that, thought that was what abrp did for you).
Dry weather, no extra weight, 13°c.

Roadtoad

Used Honda Insight, 2009 model

Is there a simple battery test method, to validate, or at least indicate the remaining life of the traction battery? Like the high current test on an ordinary starter battery?
Would changing the auxiliary batteries mean the car is an effective write-off?

Trying to help one of our healthcare heros here, who wants to buy one of these. I'm comfortable advising her about the more ordinary components, but I'm new to any level of hybrid.

(budget about €4k)

finbarrk

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

How far do you live from Killarney? Chances are you live within range of the place so wouldn't need to use those public chargers. And if you live further, there's a good chance you'd have passed more than a few fast chargers on the route, so a quick 10-15 minute stop on the way there or home would have sufficed....

Public charging is expensive (yet still a lot cheaper than ICE costs), so the idea is to do as little public charging as possible, but when you do have to public charge, you don't mind paying the premium (above your own home electricity) for the few times a year where you actually need to public charge...

We live about 100km from Killarney. But on Saturday I drove around The Ring of Kerry so that was another 200km. I didn't see any fast chargers on the route. Or on the Ring of Kerry either.

AndyBoBandy

finbarrk wrote: »

We live about 100km from Killarney. But on Saturday I drove around The Ring of Kerry so that was another 200km. I didn't see any fast chargers on the route. Or on the Ring of Kerry either.

So about a 400km round trip? And on those roads I’d say an average speed of 80-90km/h.

Easily doable in an EV on a single charge.

ted1

irishgrover wrote: »

was in Portlaoise on Saturday to pick something up, coming from south galway so went via Limerick so went to do a very short top up in the plaza before heading home.

When I got there there were 2 cars already there. One, a 40 Leaf, using the Chademo on the 50kW and another 64 soul on the 150kW using the CCS.
When I pulled in the Leaf woman was nice enough to tell me she would only be another 10 minutes and the Soul driver said he was leaving in 2 minutes.
Spoke to the soul man and he mentioned he had only ever gotten charging speed of 48 on his soul and wanted to know if I was getting more (the max I noticed to date was 76kW)

Anyway off he went and I plugged into the 150. I was only getting 48kW which lead me to believe that 150kW is not working properly as based on my SOH I should have been getting high 60's. Maybe the other guy has only ever fast charged at this unit, hence his low speed? Is anyone aware of an issue with this unit?

In the 10 minutes I was charging a guy in an ipace appeared, I told him I would be less than 10 minutes he said no problem he would use the other cable... I explained that the chademo would not work on his car so he could either wait for me or use the 50kW tripple head (as the leaf driver was packing up). He explainined that he normally charges as home but forgot to and was running low. He moved to the 50kW and (unnoticed to me) plugged in the 7kW charger and the driver and passanger headed into the Plaza.

Then a lady in an ioniq appeared and again I told her I'd be 5 minutes and she proceeded to tell me no prolem, she could use the other cable (Charamo). I explained she could not, and then when I was finishing explained the different process to her on the 150kW units in terms of a.) select type b.) Plus in c.) authenticate. This was all news to her.

At that point I went looking for ipace man to explain that unless he was willing to wait 10+hours he should consider using the CCS cable instead of the type 2. He explained that he car did not come with a connection for the big cables and he could only use the home charger cable. I proceeded to goto his car with him, show him his port and explain that the black think at the bottom of his port was a dust cover for the lower part of a CCS commection. He genuinely did not believe me until he had removed it.

Notes from my Laois adventure

1. First time I've had to Queue at a charger for a couple of years (most of my trips are Gal <>Dub which is very well served)
2. The 150 unit might be under supplying?
3. Way too many people on the road don't know how to use chargers.

Not all hero’s wear capes.

I went to look at cars last week. Seat, Skoda and VW I was surprised at the level of knowledge and interest the sakes guys had. No surprise that the guy above didn’t know.

AndyBoBandy

finbarrk wrote: »

I didn't see any fast chargers on the route. Or on the Ring of Kerry either.

Pickings are indeed slim down that way, but you probably won’t see them until you are actively looking for them…

cannco253

innrain wrote: »

"Three applications have been approved for funding. Louth County Council have applied for funding for 20 charge points with Dublin City Council applying for 9 charge points under two applications."
Dundalk and Drogheda will be full of chargers. Dublin needed 2 applications for 9 chargers. It is a start at least, 2 years after the grant was announced

Saw this on IEVOA FB. More of this needed around the country.
https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2021/07/04/navan-2030-works-to-see-more-road-closures-in-place-until-end-of-july/

"Further works proposed include a new 200 space park and ride facility on the N51 near the entrance to St Patrick’s Classical school which is going through the planning process.

The facility will include a new offline bus bay and a total of 181 car parking spaces, including six mobility impaired parking spaces and 18 e-car charging spaces."

ELM327

Wow, the first non ridiculous thing MCC have done in Navan for a long time!

Black_Knight

cannco253 wrote: »

The facility will include a new offline bus bay and a total of 181 car parking spaces, including six mobility impaired parking spaces and 18 e-car charging spaces."

18 self charging toyota spaces is it? :P

ELM327

Probably just destination chargers but better than nothing

kanuseeme

Its not a proper e-cars charging space until you can have a picnic at it. Not every one will bring their own fold up tables and chairs, so I for one would like to see a proper picnic table or five.

slave1

7kW charge points would be perfect for park and ride location

liamog

cannco253 wrote: »

The facility will include a new offline bus bay and a total of 181 car parking spaces, including six mobility impaired parking spaces and 18 e-car charging spaces."

1 in 10 spaces equipped with charging facilities, isn't that the bare minimum under the updated EU planning directive.

innrain

cannco253 wrote: »

Saw this on IEVOA FB. More of this needed around the country.
https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2021/07/04/navan-2030-works-to-see-more-road-closures-in-place-until-end-of-july/

"Further works proposed include a new 200 space park and ride facility on the N51 near the entrance to St Patrick’s Classical school which is going through the planning process.

The facility will include a new offline bus bay and a total of 181 car parking spaces, including six mobility impaired parking spaces and 18 e-car charging spaces."

If I'm not mistaken it is a requirement at planning permission level. All new car parks and new commercial buildings

AndyBoBandy

ELM327 wrote: »

Probably just destination chargers but better than nothing

Absolutely fine... at a park and ride facility they only need to be 7kW...

ELM327

kanuseeme wrote: »

Its not a proper e-cars charging space until you can have a picnic at it. Not every one will bring their own fold up tables and chairs, so I for one would like to see a proper picnic table or five.

Careful now, dont tell the waterford FCP owner that

cannco253

Does anything like this exist in Ireland?

Parklio - Smart Parking for Everyone
https://youtu.be/BcKjIZzvDnc

Poor Jim's life got better when he discovered Parklio

https://parklio.com/

listermint

Is anyone going to make an Estate EV. I'd rather not go down the SUV road because frankly I think theyre heavier, the aerodynamics of a brick and harder to park in spaces.

Would really love a good looking estate akin to the Audi A6 or the 2021 Volvo v60

MJohnston

listermint wrote: »

Is anyone going to make an Estate EV. I'd rather not go down the SUV road because frankly I think theyre heavier, the aerodynamics of a brick and harder to park in spaces.

Would really love a good looking estate akin to the Audi A6 or the 2021 Volvo v60

Aye, Porsche with their Taycan 4. Unfortunately, as with 90% of Porsches IMO it's horribly ugly.

the_amazing_raisin

listermint wrote: »

Is anyone going to make an Estate EV. I'd rather not go down the SUV road because frankly I think theyre heavier, the aerodynamics of a brick and harder to park in spaces.

Would really love a good looking estate akin to the Audi A6 or the 2021 Volvo v60

Other than the MG5 there doesn't seem to be much interest in an estate EV, which is pretty annoying as personally I think they're great cars

VW the ID Space Vizzion concept which is planned to become a production car around 2025 I think

Volvo might be another one to try, they're always done well with their estate cars

ELM327

listermint wrote: »

Is anyone going to make an Estate EV. I'd rather not go down the SUV road because frankly I think theyre heavier, the aerodynamics of a brick and harder to park in spaces.

Would really love a good looking estate akin to the Audi A6 or the 2021 Volvo v60

The chinese MG5 is an estate with good range for the money and not a bad looking car

ELM327

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Absolutely fine... at a park and ride facility they only need to be 7kW...

7kW would be better than 22kW, spread the resource, but there should be a couiple of DC chargers if possible given the proximity of that site to the N51/2/m3

silver_sky

Peugeot e308 is due in 2023. Hopefully they do an estate version.

McGiver

cannco253 wrote: »

The facility will include a new offline bus bay and a total of 181 car parking spaces, including six mobility impaired parking spaces and 18 e-car charging spaces."

10% of car spaces having a charger is a very reasonable allocation given the state of the EV market and a good start, includes some future-proofing too.

In my opinion, this should be mandated by law for certain settings/entities as Germans are thinking doing.

McGiver

ELM327 wrote: »

7kW would be better than 22kW, spread the resource, but there should be a couiple of DC chargers if possible given the proximity of that site to the N51/2/m3

Yep, absolutely 7 kW is the best bang for the buck.

A) sorts out the 1-phase vs 3-phase "issue" the 11 kW AC has
it's cheaper
C) gives 3 times more connectors for input power available (22 kW)

I really don't know who's pushing 22 kW dual connectors everywhere...they may be OK for some settings (as a back-up for FCPs).

22 kW DC are an option now too, but they're still multiple the price of 7 kW fancy socket basically.