Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

stinkypinky

sid waddell wrote: »

It's like performative satire.

Indeed, standing ovation for equating communism with libertarianism.

sid waddell

stinkypinky wrote: »

Indeed, standing ovation for equating communism with libertarianism.

Again, they're directly equivalent.

Communism is merely the ideology that the state should plan and control all economic activity.

You can agree or disagree with it - I thoroughly disagree - but it's an entirely legitimate ideology to have.

Libertarianism is the opposite extreme - that workers should have no say in the running of business, that there should be no welfare state whatsoever and that government should be non-existent bar police and military.

It's a legitimate ideology to have but doesn't and cannot exist in reality outside of a thought lab, because it doesn't work.

Interestingly, several of the figures associated with the far right today modelled their own strategies on Lenin's - Steve Bannon, Charles Koch, James Buchanan, Dominic Cummings.

Dyr

sid waddell wrote: »

So the Allies should have been on the side of the Nazis against the Soviets? Wow.

You get some waaaaaay out there takes on Current Affairs!

Is this your alma mater or are you just being disingenous?

CtevenSrowder

joeguevara wrote: »

https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/under-the-banner-of-something

I can't believe we're still hearing the 'it's not a group' line of argumentation. This was despelled months ago.

1800_Ladladlad

This is the best example of how pathetic Antifa are. Cowardly, individuals with no backbone. Chihuahuas displaying nervous aggression.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1282752376898834433

Overheal

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

I can't believe we're still hearing the 'it's not a group' line of argumentation. This was despelled months ago.

What was it dispelled by?

Overheal

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

This is the best example of how pathetic Antifa are. Cowardly, effeminate individuals with no backbone.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1282752376898834433

For all we know given Andy's affiliations they could be his own far-right crowd he's always seen hanging out with. I don't see any positive ID of antifa here, and I don't see how the driver was a fascist?

ExMachina1000

Who is Pat Corcoran? Why is he mentioned so much?

Tasfasdf

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

This is the best example of how pathetic Antifa are. Cowardly, individuals with no backbone. Chihuahuas displaying nervous aggression.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1282752376898834433

Haha he walked out of his car and takes the coward down so easily and the flock run away in fear of a man even half their size, some bunch of losers.

Tasfasdf

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Who is Pat Corcoran? Why is he mentioned so much?

A paedo, leader of the Irish Antifa.

nullzero

Overheal wrote: »

For all we know given Andy's affiliations they could be his own far-right crowd he's always seen hanging out with. I don't see any positive ID of antifa here, and I don't see how the driver was a fascist?

Having watched it, the people involved do not appear to be far right types at all. We might be making a guess that they are left wing Antifa types, but it's a reasonably educated guess.

Overheal

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Who is Pat Corcoran? Why is he mentioned so much?

convicted of having thousands of images of child sexual abuse and torture, served a suspended sentence, and alleged founding member of Antifascist Ireland

https://thepostmillennial.com/revealed-antifa-has-a-pedophile-problem

also a bit of digging this was pedophilia, not ephebophilia, the photographed victims were between ages 8 and 14. He's apparently sought therapies and pleaded guilty to the charges.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/former-civil-servant-caught-with-7000-child-porn-images-avoids-jail-29755182.html

RWCNT

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

This is the best example of how pathetic Antifa are. Cowardly, individuals with no backbone. Chihuahuas displaying nervous aggression.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1282752376898834433

The account he's shared that video from is called "Andy Ngo Is a Pedophile"

Overheal

RWCNT wrote: »

The account he's shared that video from is called "Andy Ngo Is a Pedophile"

oh my.

https://twitter.com/Overheal/status/1283115634231042050?s=20

Bonniedog

No jail time would indicate that Corcoran was police informer.

He was not "alleged" founding member. He was one. He was also one of main editors on Indymedia which would be god's gift to cops looking for IP addresses and ids of fringe lefties and republicans who infested the site for years.

Overheal

Bonniedog wrote: »

No jail time would indicate that Corcoran was police informer.

He was not "alleged" founding member. He was one. He was also one of main editors on Indymedia which would be god's gift to cops looking for IP addresses and ids of fringe lefties and republicans who infested the site for years.

Suspended sentences are not out of character for Irish justice though. And he did plead guilty, and he did assist police in seizing his assets during their searches and he has completed hundreds of hours of relevant counseling and therapy (though tbh that seems as effective to me as gay conversion therapy - unpopular opinion?). I haven't heard any indication he helped them past that, that's conjecture at best surely.

Alleged is the word the print media used, I assumed it is not a solid confirmation that he founded it. Being an editor doesn't mean he was IT or in a position to forward IP addresses, and that said any admin or manager here will tell you the police don't need subversiveness or an insider to seek an IP address.

1800_Ladladlad

RWCNT wrote: »

The account he's shared that video from is called "Andy Ngo Is a Pedophile"

yeah bit weird, that doesn't really change the context of whats going on in the video. The account "Andy Ngo Is a Pedophile" seems to be one of the many accounts from Portland that racially abuse & harass him under the guise of activism. He gets a lot of homophobic sh*te thrown at him too from antifa dregs. Poor chap

Wibbs

Bonniedog wrote: »

The Soviets were on the same side as the Nazis for two years. They invaded Poland together.

Never mind that Hitler had hoped that western powers like the British(who he greatly admired) and the US(where he had many admirers) would indeed join him, or at least leave him alone in his fight against the Bolsheviks. At the close of the war there were quite a few high ups on the allied side who mused about rearming the Germans to push the Soviets back to Russia. Hell the Holocaust was pretty much buried as a matter of public discourse, even a taboo subject until the 1960's because the West wanted to get Germany back on side as a bulwark against the "commies". Eichmann's capture and trial in Israel garnered some interest, but one of the first scholars of the period Raul Hilberg had to fight hard to get his doctoral research published and it was turned down by the major publishing houses and had to be printed with private money in 1962 or 63 IIRC? The Soviets to their credit didn't do this, which of course made Westerners doing so seem pro Soviet to some. It all gets very muddy indeed. If Hitler had played his cards right early on it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that western powers may well have left him alone invading the USSR.

Bonniedog

Nonsense. Hitler almost won the war during his alliance with Stalin. Only the Brits stopped him. Soviets supplied Wehrmacht with vast amounts of raw material.

As for the Holocaust, Stalin was planning another one at the time of his death and the occupied states of Europe were conducting anti Semitic purges and show trials.

Dyr

Tasfasdf wrote: »

Haha he walked out of his car and takes the coward down so easily and the flock run away in fear of a man even half their size, some bunch of losers.

They were paralysed by his race armour "O noeess!! He's black!!"

If he was a cracker he would have been sucker kicked :eek:

Wibbs

Bonniedog wrote: »

Nonsense. Hitler almost won the war during his alliance with Stalin. Only the Brits stopped him. Soviets supplied Wehrmacht with vast amounts of raw material.

Eh no. Just no. The Germans had a string of victories in mainland Europe, which they would have had without the Soviets. At that stage the British stopped little beyond the invasion of Britain itself, which was a half baked plan on the part of the Germans anyway, involving converted canal barges. Hitler had hoped(and Goering convinced him) that his Luftwaffe would drive them to the negotiating table for a political out and leave him free to take on the Soviets. Hitler was a great admirer of the British and their empire, something he regularly mentioned to people around him. They hadn't even fully prepared for the air campaign against Britain. Most German planes weren't allowed to traverse more than 10km of open water before it.

The British offered support to Poland and did nada knowing they couldn't(and left them high and dry after the war including the Poles who had fought so valiantly for them. Ditto for the Czechs). They and the French were utterly routed in France and Norway and ran back to Blighty with their singed tails between their legs. Remember the Dunkirk spirt chaps!! AKA run, run away!! They lost the battle of the English Channel and U-Boats were really doing damage to their supplies(Churchills biggest fear of the whole war) and the Americans were pretty much "you're on your own guys, sorry". Even in the Battle of Britain which they won(though would have had to try hard to lose) the German fighter pilots had a higher kill rate than the British. Even though they were operating over enemy territory and running on fumes half the time.

At that stage in the war the British stopped bugger all really. That's war and post war propaganda still running strong. Hitler lost because he invaded the USSR(though they came bloody close to victory, or at least of capturing Moscow. Stalin's special train in Moscow was sitting steamed up and ready to go and him on it, only he was convinced to stay) and America got on board after Pearl Harbor. Their combined manufacturing might and sheer manpower in the case of the Soviets is what won the war for the allies. Britain on her own would have stood zero chance.

mynamejeff

Bonniedog wrote: »

Nonsense. Hitler almost won the war during his alliance with Stalin. Only the Brits stopped him. Soviets supplied Wehrmacht with vast amounts of raw material.

As for the Holocaust, Stalin was planning another one at the time of his death and the occupied states of Europe were conducting anti Semitic purges and show trials.

surely this is sarcasm ??????


no one is this dangerously ill informed


although sometimes on this site its hard to tell

Bonniedog

mynamejeff wrote: »

surely this is sarcasm ??????


no one is this dangerously ill informed


although sometimes on this site its hard to tell

About what exactly?

The alliance with Hitler and how close he came with Soviet aid to winning? Stalin's plans to liquidate the Jews?

Wibbs

mynamejeff wrote: »

surely this is sarcasm ??????


no one is this dangerously ill informed


although sometimes on this site its hard to tell

Oh isn't that the truth, though I would prefer to think the low wit of sarcasm is more in play than the slow wit of general ignorance. Maybe prefer isn't quite the word... Hope. Yeah, that's it, hope.

mynamejeff

Bonniedog wrote: »

About what exactly?

The alliance with Hitler and how close he came with Soviet aid to winning? Stalin's plans to liquidate the Jews?

no offence bonniedog but im not gona debate this issue with you your clearly below the standard required ,

again no offence but I don't believe it would do you or me any good

Bonniedog

mynamejeff wrote: »

no offence bonniedog but im not gona debate this issue with you your clearly below the standard required ,

again no offence but I don't believe it would do you or me any good

I asked you two simple questions which you are avoiding by trying to convey the impression that you are something you are not. Which is of my standard

Overheal

I get how Nazis crop up in an Antifa thread but not how the thread became a relitigation of WW2.

mynamejeff

Bonniedog wrote: »

I asked you two simple questions which you are avoiding by trying to convey the impression that you are something you are not. Which is of my standard

previous poster has explained in very clear terms

your looking for a argument and im not going to lower myself to your level

Eric Cartman

So many issues with antifa fans saying accounts are fake , by it nature antifa attracts social introverts who wont upload pictures of themselves which in itself means accounts with weird names and pictures are not likely fake

ExMachina1000

Eric Cartman wrote: »

So many issues with antifa fans saying accounts are fake , by it nature antifa attracts social introverts who wont upload pictures of themselves which in itself means accounts with weird names and pictures are not likely fake

I saw a video of the protesters to the anti paedophilia march. Their sound equipment and speakers got destroyed by th looks of it.

Who will pay for replacement speakers and equipment?